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1 posted on 12/10/2006 8:51:04 AM PST by yochanan
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To: yochanan

wow long read.


2 posted on 12/10/2006 8:58:15 AM PST by fontoon
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To: yochanan
no matter how true what you say is, there is now a group of people that refer them selves as Palestinians
3 posted on 12/10/2006 9:03:49 AM PST by fontoon
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To: yochanan
I stand and applaud in awe.
Finely written and flawlessly put together.
Thank you for you work.
6 posted on 12/10/2006 9:09:08 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping Lagavulin, early in the day.)
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To: yochanan

I'll summarize:
They are Egyptians and Jordanians, mostly of Arab descent.


8 posted on 12/10/2006 9:33:24 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: yochanan

the biggest myth of the 20th century....the palestinians....

born out of the imagination of a true terrorist...yasser arafat...in 1967....before that they were only desert dwellers in jordan and egypt!!!!


9 posted on 12/10/2006 9:46:47 AM PST by hnj_00
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To: yochanan

I've written similar essays (two of them) saying essentially the same things. I repeat the major points at least all the time. Sometimes I am even rewarded with what appears to be sincere interest, but mostly I get glazed eyes and people who forget everything I said the minute they turn on CNN.


12 posted on 12/10/2006 9:58:59 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" try to prosecute wars, you get Viet Nam)
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To: yochanan
A couple things: the article does not talk about the truly ruthless Muslim Turks who relocated Muslims from all over their dying empire in order to control the region.

Second, the characterization of the Crusaders as "ruthless" is misleading and mostly false.

While some crusades overstepped their bounds...mainly against their own Christian brothers in the infamous 4th crusade - most were organized and dedicated in the sincere belief that they would preserve and regain the Holy Land from the Muslims...in other words they were heroic. The fact that some Jews helped the Muslims expel the Christians is a sad historic error on their part.
13 posted on 12/10/2006 10:01:16 AM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: yochanan

bttt


14 posted on 12/10/2006 10:19:58 AM PST by RebelTex (Help cure diseases: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1548372/posts)
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To: yochanan

Thanks for a post like those that every Freeper should read.


15 posted on 12/10/2006 10:31:35 AM PST by Wuli
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Italian Muslim cleric defends Israel - Blames Arafat, Arab leaders for continued Mideast violence

...snip..."Sheikh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi, secretary general of the Italian Muslim Association and Muslim co-chair of the Islam-Israel Fellowship of the Root and Branch Association -- which promotes the study and practice of universal Jewish teachings -- said much of what is known and written about Jews and so-called Palestinians is myth.

And, he said, a Jewish homeland is even described in the Koran, though little is said about it in the press or in Jewish-Arab discussions.

"And thereafter We said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd,'" the Koran says in 17:104, The Night Journey.

Palazzi, a Muslim cleric, told WND that one of the most common misconceptions in the current Arab-Israeli conflict is that in reality, "there is no such thing as a 'Palestinian.' "There never was. It is a PR fiction, a Madison Avenue fantasy," he said."

16 posted on 12/10/2006 10:35:50 AM PST by veronica (http://images20.fotki.com/v360/photos/1/106521/3848737/gladysPSCP-vi.jpg)
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The Right Road to Peace
18 posted on 12/10/2006 11:07:31 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Making every thread a Star Wars thread, one post at a time!!!)
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To: yochanan
Excellent and book marked

Palestinians are a creation of the U.N., let the U.N. fix the problem.

OK, I'm kidding.

Maybe that little runt of a president in Iran will let all the Palestinians into Iran, since he is so concerned about their plight and humiliation at the hands of a (cough) illegitimate state of Israel.

Many people, especially easily manipulated American, do not realize that Arabs think of the Palestinians as the trailer trash of the Middle East.

No Arab country wants them, so they perpetuate the myth of a Palestinian state

20 posted on 12/10/2006 11:28:40 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: yochanan

ping for later


21 posted on 12/10/2006 12:02:26 PM PST by Joann37
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To: yochanan

Thanx, ---MANY THANX!


22 posted on 12/10/2006 12:36:31 PM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: yochanan
Rewriteing history is what leftists do.. Palestinians are a mental delusion..

Amazing how many U.S. citizens think the U.S. is a democracy..
I've heard Bush(several Bush's actually) and many other potentates call the U.S. a democracy..

23 posted on 12/10/2006 12:53:00 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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25 posted on 12/11/2006 5:15:57 AM PST by SJackson (had to move the national debate from whether to stay the course to how do we start down the path out)
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Here is a humourous version of your essay (Larry Miller):
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/681320/posts


29 posted on 12/11/2006 10:22:36 AM PST by kidd
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To: yochanan

Bump


30 posted on 12/11/2006 7:54:07 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: ImaTexan

Ping


31 posted on 12/11/2006 8:11:13 PM PST by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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The Land of Israel and its uncontested Capital Jerusalem

The Qur’an 17:104 - states the land belongs to the Jewish people.

If the historic documents, comments written by eyewitnesses and declarations by the most authoritative Arab scholars are still not enough, let us quote the most important source for Muslim Arabs:
“And thereafter we [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: ‘Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd’.”.
017.104
YUSUFALI: And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, “Dwell securely in the land (of promise)”: but when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gathered you together in a mingled crowd.
PICKTHAL: And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.
SHAKIR: And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment.
- Qur’an 17:104 -
Any sincere Muslim must recognize the Land they call “Palestine” as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by Muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah’s ultimate revelation.

“The birthplace of the Jewish people is the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael). There, a significant part of the nation’s long history was enacted, of which the first thousand years are recorded in the Bible; there, its cultural, religious and national identity was formed; and there, its physical presence has been maintained through the centuries, even after the majority was forced into exile. During the many years of dispersion, the Jewish people never severed nor forgot its bond with the Land. With the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Jewish independence, lost two thousand years earlier, was renewed.”
If people of any nation were exiled to other country’s and than years later were able to reclaim their country, the world population as a whole would support such action and would not consider giving a piece of the country to the foreigners who are residing there, and under no circumstances would they consider parceling portions of the county to be set up as a separate State for the foreigners.
Why should anyone in the world consider doing this very same action with the land of Israel which is a Jewish land for thousands of years?
The Arabs living in the land of Israel have come from the surrounding Arab countries; they have no right whatsoever to any part of the land of Israel.
In the past hundred years many Jews were ejected from Arab countries surrounding the land of Israel, their property taken and their homes and lands taken over.
Let those Arabs who want to Claim the land of Israel as theirs go to those Arab countries and the homes and lands that the Jews were occupying.
Any part of the land of Israel is not occupied territory; it is legally a Jewish land and has been for thousands of years, no Arab has any right to claim any rights to the land of Israel. The surrounding Arab countries compose of over 100 million people and millions of square miles, why do they have to bother little Israel with its territory about the size of the State of New Jersey.
Maybe the world should consider giving European countries or parts to the Italians, since the Romans occupied it for many years.

JERUSALEM
If I forget thee, O Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its cunning.
May my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth,
if I do not set Jerusalem above my highest joy.
(Psalms 137:5-6)

Jerusalem, the uncontested and undivided capital of Israel, is located in the heart of the country, nestled among the Judean Hills. The city’s ancient stones, imbued with millennia of history, and its numerous historical sites, shrines and places of worship attest to its meaning for Jews.

Jerusalem the “eternal and undivided capital” of the Jewish people,

Jerusalem is — and must remain — the uncontested, undivided capital of Israel.

Jerusalem is the only city that can prove the validity of Israeli-Jewish existence. No one should question Jewish historic claim and affinity to Jerusalem which dates back the Canaanite period (3000-1200 BCE). The re-capture of the old city in 1967 was widely seen by the Israelis as nothing less than the renewal of God’s covenant with the Jews. Jerusalem represents their past and present, a source of religious and cultural continuity without which Israel’s very existence could unravel. The hope of returning to Jerusalem has sustained the Jews throughout their dispersion, and centuries of exile have been unable to extinguish it.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacobs resided in the land of Israel and Jerusalem from the year 1948 from Creation (circa 1800 BCE).
King David made Jerusalem the capital of his kingdom, as well as the religious center of the Jewish people, in 1003 BCE. Some forty years later, his son Solomon built the Temple (the religious and national center of the people of Israel) and transformed the city into the prosperous capital of an empire extending from the Euphrates to Egypt.
The Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar conquered Jerusalem in 586 BCE, destroyed the Temple, and exiled the people. Fifty years later, when Babylon was conquered by the Persians, King Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to their homeland and granted them autonomy. They built a Second Temple on the site of the First, and rebuilt the city and its walls.
Alexander the Great conquered Jerusalem in 332 BCE. After his death the city was ruled by the Ptolemies of Egypt and then by the Seleucids of Syria. The Hellenization of the city reached its peak under the Seleucid ruler Antiochus IV; the desecration of the Temple and attempts to suppress Jewish religious identity resulted in a revolt.
Led by Judah Maccabee, the Jews defeated the Seleucids, rededicated the Temple (164 BCE), and re-established Jewish independence under the Hasmonean dynasty, which lasted for more than a hundred years, until Pompey imposed Roman rule on Jerusalem. King Herod the Idumean, who was installed as ruler of Judah by the Romans (37 - 4 BCE), established cultural institutions in Jerusalem, erected magnificent public buildings and refashioned the Temple into an edifice of splendor.
Jewish revolt against Rome broke out in 66 CE, as Roman rule after Herod’s death became increasingly oppressive. For a few years Jerusalem was free of foreign rule, until, in 70 CE, Roman legions under Titus conquered the city and destroyed the Temple. Jewish independence was briefly restored during the Bar Kochba revolt (132-135), but again the Romans prevailed. Jews were forbidden to enter the city, which was renamed Aelia Capitolina and rebuilt along the lines of a Roman city.
For the next century and a half, Jerusalem was a small provincial town. This changed radically when the Byzantine Emperor Constantine transformed Jerusalem into a Christian center. The Church of the Holy Sepulcher (335) was the first of numerous grandiose structures built in the City.
Muslim armies invaded the country in 634, and four years later Caliph Omar captured Jerusalem. Only during the reign of Abdul Malik, who built the Dome of the Rock (691), did Jerusalem briefly become the seat of a caliph. The century-long rule of the Umayvad Dynasty from Damascus was succeeded in 750 by the Abbasids from Baghdad, and with them Jerusalem began to decline.
The Crusaders conquered Jerusalem in 1099, massacred its Jewish and Muslim inhabitants, and established the city as the capital of the Crusader Kingdom. Under the Crusaders, synagogues were destroyed, old churches were rebuilt and many mosques were turned into Christian shrines. Crusader rule over Jerusalem ended in 1187, when the city fell to Saladin the Kurd.
The Mamluks, a military feudal aristocracy from Egypt, ruled Jerusalem from 1250. They constructed numerous graceful buildings, but treated the city solely as a Muslim theological center and ruined its economy through neglect and crippling taxes.
The Ottoman Turks, whose rule lasted for four centuries, conquered Jerusalem in 1517. Suleiman the Magnificent rebuilt the city walls (1537), constructed the Sultan’s Pool, and placed public fountains throughout the city. After his death. The central authorities in Constantinople took little interest in Jerusalem. During the 17th and 18th centuries Jerusalem sunk to one of its lowest ebbs.
Jerusalem began to thrive once more in the latter half of the nineteenth century. Growing numbers of Jews returning to their land, waning Ottoman power and revitalized European interest in the Holy Land led to renewed development of Jerusalem.
The British army led by General Allenby conquered Jerusalem in 1917. From 1922 to 1948 Jerusalem was the administrative seat of the British authorities in the Land of Israel (Palestine), which had been entrusted to Great Britain by the League of Nations following the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire after World War I. The city developed rapidly, growing westward into what became known as the “New City.”
Upon termination of the British Mandate on May 14, 1948, and in accordance with the UN resolution of November 29, 1947, Israel proclaimed its independence, with Jerusalem as its capital. Opposing its establishment, the Arab countries launched an all-out assault on the new re-established state, resulting in the 1948-49 War of Independence. The armistice lines drawn at the end of the war divided Jerusalem into two, with Jordan occupying the Old City and areas to the north and south, and Israel retaining the western and southern parts of the city.
Jerusalem was reunited in June 1967, as a result of a war in which the Jordanians attempted to seize the western section of the city. The Jewish Quarter of the Old City, destroyed under Jordanian rule, has been restored, and Israeli citizens are again able to visit their holy places, which had been denied them during the years 1948-1967.

Conclusion, the land of Israel and Jerusalem as its undivided capital for the Jewish people is a historical fact for thousands of years and shall remain that way for eternity.

Yehuda Draiman


32 posted on 01/13/2008 2:03:52 AM PST by renewableenergy2 (english only)
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