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What the Heck is a Paleoconservative and Why You Should Care
Intellectual Conservative ^ | December 8, 2006 | Dan Phillips

Posted on 12/10/2006 3:34:41 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez

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To: Wilhelm Tell

"Ronald Reagan did a good job of getting most of these groups together, however uneasily. I don't know if much good will happen until we find another Reagan. If we get involved in squabbles and lose sight of the fact that we are being threatened by new forms of communism and fascism then we are sunk."

Hence Reagan's 11th Commandment. Very ancient history, and a too oft ignored matter of civility.


21 posted on 12/10/2006 6:30:10 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Chi-townChief
modern "conservatism/rightism" has always been a loose coalition of traditionalists, libertarians, and anti-communists.

Yes, and nowhere better illustrated than the original "National Review" in its early glory days of the 50s and 60s. Attitudes as different as those of Russell Kirk, James Burnham and William Rusher, to name just three, managed to keep moving in the same general direction, despite differing priorities. To be an effective political force, that kind of coalition has to hold. Conservatism is not widespread enough to withstand a lot of fragmentation.

One thing that seems to me a bit different from the Conservatism of yesteryear is a populist element that normally shows up in the Democratic Party -- an anti-business undertone, a suspicion of "getting ahead" that typically is part of the Left. This is a minority strain, to be sure, but I just don't recall it being part of the MCM previously.

I think the use of "elitist" as a pejorative term is a relatively recent development. In fact in the 50s 60s, it was typically people on the Right who were tagged as elitists. And most of them took it as a compliment.

22 posted on 12/10/2006 6:48:23 PM PST by speedy
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To: KC Burke

Voltaire was an atheist rationalist. He was used by radicals in France, and things got off the rails. But the founding fathers, the intellectual ones, admired both French and Scottish philosophers. Montesquieu was a big hit, as he is to this day. Gary Wills however has written a book that the Scottish Enlightenment philosophers were the most influential, as well they should. Edinburgh for a brief period was a fantastic gleaming city on the hill, at least of the mind.


23 posted on 12/10/2006 6:48:39 PM PST by Torie
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Good essay. You can see the echoes of the conflict between paleos, grassroots, neocons and mere partisans here at FR.

Interesting that Duncan Hunter is embracing the economic nationalism portion of the paleo agenda. His position on immigration is weak but he hasn't articulated a general view of foreign policy. It will be interesting to watch even if he is such a long shot.
24 posted on 12/10/2006 6:51:41 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Mine:


Your scored 3.5 on the Moral Order axis and -7 on the Moral Rules axis.

Matches

The following items best match your score:

System: Conservatism
Variation: Economic Conservatism
Ideologies: Ultra Capitalism, Conservative NeoLiberalism
US Parties: Republican Party
Presidents: Ronald Reagan (92.03%)
2004 Election Candidates: George W. Bush (88.95%), John Kerry (63.76%), Ralph Nader (45.11%)


25 posted on 12/10/2006 6:52:16 PM PST by CaliGirl-R (Let's all just relax, kick back and watch.......and wait....and see how the Dems govern.)
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To: A. Pole

Oh my, you don't have a US party. Hmmmm LOL


26 posted on 12/10/2006 6:55:10 PM PST by CaliGirl-R (Let's all just relax, kick back and watch.......and wait....and see how the Dems govern.)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
I wish there was some little test you could take to give you a better idea of where you really are.

Here you go.

World's Smallest Political Quiz

27 posted on 12/10/2006 6:59:23 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

I really wanted to come in at a Reagan but I got this instead:

System: Conservatism
Variation: Extreme Conservatism
Ideologies: Ultra Capitalism
US Parties: No match.
Presidents: George W. Bush (88.95%)


28 posted on 12/10/2006 7:01:34 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Rick Santorum in 2008, or 2012 or whenever we get serious about Islamofascism.)
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To: CaliGirl-R
Yikes.
Your Score

Your scored 4.5 on the Moral Order axis and -7 on the Moral Rules axis.

Matches

The following items best match your score:

   1. System: Conservatism
   2. Variation: Extreme Conservatism
   3. Ideologies: Ultra Capitalism, Conservative NeoLiberalism
   4. US Parties: Republican Party
   5. Presidents: George W. Bush (90.89%)
   6. 2004 Election Candidates: George W. Bush (90.89%), John Kerry (60.16%), Ralph Nader (41.66%) 

Statistics

Of the 262020 people who took the test:

   1. 0.3% had the same score as you.
   2. 95.8% were above you on the chart.
   3. 1.2% were below you on the chart.
   4. 8.5% were to your right on the chart.
   5. 89% were to your left on the chart.
I can't believe I got matched up with Bush. Bush is considered the Extreme Conservative president?
29 posted on 12/10/2006 7:02:52 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: ProCivitas

Forrest McDonald's "Novus Ordo Seclorum" would refute this. The first time I heard anyone called a paleoconservative was when husband and Dr. McDonald were joking about his age and his conservatism. That was in the early 1990s. Then Dr. McDonald called himself a paleocon on Booknotes. It was a joke. Anywho, I read a whole lot of Enlightenment literature in a Forrest McDonald course. And we were specifically looking for connections between the philosophies of the Founding Fathers and Enlightenment philosophers.


30 posted on 12/10/2006 7:06:14 PM PST by petitfour
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To: elkfersupper
On your quiz, I'm a Left-leaning Libertarian. On the other one, I'm an Extreme Conservative.

I've seen that quiz before. It was on a lot of Libertarian sites. I think it's weighted to identify more libertarians to increase identification with the Libertarian party.
31 posted on 12/10/2006 7:09:30 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: elkfersupper

"World's Smallest Political Quiz"

On the first test posted I scored as a Conservative Moderate, on this one I score as a Libertarian!


32 posted on 12/10/2006 7:10:15 PM PST by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: Torie
Montesquieu has always been classified as one of the few French in the Scottish/English tradition as opposed to the bulk of the French. I really must recommend Himmelfarb's The Road to Modernity: The British, French and American Enlightements which shows the main thrust of my point. But to get back to the issue I took with your comment, the "enlightement" in normal discourse in this country dismisses all but the French as having impact. The distictions and the differences are so broad as to make them almost in total conflict with each other. I often make the same point with liberals that Dennis P. does and most everyone runs to defend sentiments that are totally of the French variety of the enlightenment.
33 posted on 12/10/2006 7:14:10 PM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: CaliGirl-R
My Score:
System: Conservatism
Variation: Economic Conservatism
Ideologies: Ultra Capitalism, Conservative NeoLiberalism
US Parties: Republican Party
Presidents: Ronald Reagan (95.06%)
2004 Election Candidates: George W. Bush (85.85%), John Kerry (67.15%), Ralph Nader (48.41%)

I took the long test. Since I read Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" 30 years ago I have been on the libertarian edge of conservatism or the conservative edge of libertarianism. I used to refer to myself as a Classical Liberal but too many people don't know what that is. I have noticed that people with a utopian frame of mind seem to be able to quickly move from one form of totalitarianism to another -- a fascist becomes a communist becomes an Islamist. I think a mature, healthy mind will therefore be strongly anti-utopian.

34 posted on 12/10/2006 7:21:04 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I'm re-reading Kirk right now. I like him, but I find myself disagreeing with him at times, mostly as a matter of emphasis. I don't consider myself a classic conservative, I lean toward classic liberalism, I think.

I find my thoughts reflected in Locke, Burke, Hayek, I admire Lincoln, I'm a Christian, and I recognize and accept the tensions and contradictions that go with those.

I'm pro-immigration, but I want the border secured.


35 posted on 12/10/2006 7:28:31 PM PST by marron
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To: CaliGirl-R
Oh my, you don't have a US party.

They did not include Pitchfork Brigade.

36 posted on 12/10/2006 8:46:05 PM PST by A. Pole (Hoover:Today we are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of land)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Paleo-conservatives = Pat Buchanan, David Duke and their kind, including Europeans who complain about "neo-cons."


37 posted on 12/10/2006 9:36:08 PM PST by familyop
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To: elkfersupper

Thanks...that test sort of conformed something I've been suspecting.

I'm leaning to libertarian.


38 posted on 12/10/2006 10:03:13 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: CaliGirl-R

Your Score

Your scored 1 on the Moral Order axis and -5.5 on the Moral Rules axis.

Matches

The following items best match your score:

  1. System: Conservatism
  2. Variation: Economic Conservatism
  3. Ideologies: Conservative NeoLiberalism
  4. US Parties: Republican Party
  5. Presidents: Ronald Reagan (95.06%)
  6. 2004 Election Candidates: George W. Bush (82.18%), John Kerry (76.51%), Ralph Nader (57.78%)

Statistics

Of the 262115 people who took the test:

  1. 0.6% had the same score as you.
  2. 79.7% were above you on the chart.
  3. 15.8% were below you on the chart.
  4. 22.6% were to your right on the chart.
  5. 71.5% were to your left on the chart.

Others

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  2. For President and Candidates, the percentage measures the distance between you and them where 100% is a perfect overlap and 0% is the longest possible distance.
  3. If you overlap two regions, they are both listed. So if you see both Liberalism and Conservatism, you are a "perfect" Centrist.
  4. See the distribution for all respondents.
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39 posted on 12/10/2006 10:08:15 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: CaliGirl-R

Your test says that my political ideology is Conservative Neoliberalism.

That's the best description yet.


40 posted on 12/10/2006 10:13:06 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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