Posted on 12/12/2006 4:18:10 AM PST by Doctor13
I often think that a secular strongman is the best government for these countries. Did we make the same mistake with Iraq that we did with Iran?
Remember, Alexander Haig who was one of Carters top advisors.
He pleaded with Carter to support and arm the Shah.
Carter refused.
Haig then resigned from the Carter administration.
Jimmy Carter says the Iraq war was the worst American foreign policy ever.
No, you betraying the Shah was the worst foreign policy decision ever.
If Bush comes to his senses and creates a Kurdish state with Kirkuk and Mosul under Kurdish control.
America will be the winners.
Yes and no......Hussein had to go...but we should have replaced him with OUR strongman.
These people are not ready for Democracy...their Islamo-fascist religion precludes it.
"If Bush comes to his senses and creates a Kurdish state with Kirkuk and Mosul under Kurdish control."
Creating a land-locked state surrounded by bitter enemies, totally dependant on the fickle will of our US politicians for survival, is probably not the best of ideas....
Right on! Political assassination and dirty covert activity overseas is absolutely required. Ford and Carter share responsibility for castrating our covert services. This has brought us to the point of potential defeat.
Ff-150 sure was a kook, was he not?
I totally agree with you! In my opinion their religion and tribal culture makes it impossible for them to have a democracy. Their hatred for eachother has been going on for centuries and is ingrained in them. They need someone to keep them all in line. While we may not like it, it is what they know and understand. It is good to see someone reminding us that it was Jimmy Carter who started all of this nonsense. That man should be ashamed of himself. What a horrible human being he is. Gosh, I wish he'd just crawl under a rock and stay there.
Who built Jimmy's peanut farm? Jimmy or his daddy?
Ding Ding Ding -- We have a winner!
I'm not convinced that Hussein "had to go." We don't need perfection from strongmen like that. He kept the lid on things. Yes, he attacked Kuwait, but no one is perfect and that was pushed back. Silly to talk about it now, though...we have to look forward.
Yeah. Only problem: what Brzezinski meant was "we're going to stick a knife in your back, and it's going in right up to the hilt."
bump for later
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Jimmah Crack Corn, and I don't care,
Jimmah Crack Corn, and I don't care,
Jimmah Crack Corn, and I don't care,
de Hostages gone away.
An' when he fly der in de arternoon,
A foiler wid a hickory broom;
De copters being berry shy,
When bitten by de blue tail fly.
One day he rode aroun' Palestine,
De flies so numerous dey did swarm;
One chance to bite 'im on the thigh,
De Jimmah take dat blu tail fly.
De poney run, he jump an' pitch,
An' tumble de Shah in de ditch;
He died, an' de jury wonder'd why
De verdic was de 444 days of Jimmah's incompetence - dats why.
And yet, you brought it up.
Here is the way the reasons for using force in Iraq were OFFICIALLY given to the American people via our congress:
Iraq’s past war of aggression and illegal occupation of Kuwait in 1990.
Iraq’s failure to abide by the unequivocal sanctions agreed to after 1991.
Iraq’s history of possessing chemical and biological weapons and advanced nuclear weapons development program (and failure to prove complete destruction of such weapons)
Iraq’s flagrant violation of the cease fire
Iraq’s attempt to thwart efforts of weapons inspectors up until 1998
U.S. Congressional resolution conclusion that Iraq was continuing WMD programs in 1998
Iraq posed a continuing threat to the national security of the U.S, international peace and security in the Persian Gulf regions
Iraq continued to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability
Iraq supported and harbored terrorist organizations
Iraq engaged in brutal repression of its civilian population
Iraq refused to release, repatriate or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman
Iraq failed to return property wrongfully seized from Kuwait
Iraq has demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people
Iraq has demonstrated hostility toward and willingness to attack the United States by attempting to assassinate former President Bush
Iraq has demonstrated hostility toward and willingness to attack the United States and Coalition Forces by firing on many thousands of occasions on US and Coalition Armed Forces enforcing United Nations resolutions
Members of al Qaida are known to be in Iraq
Iraq continued to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens
The attacks of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations
Iraq’s demonstrated WMD capability, willingness to use WMD and the risk to use or provide such weapons to terrorists
UN Security Council Resolution 678 authorized the use of all necessary means to enforce UN SC resolution 660 and subsequent resolutions
The Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expresses the policy of the US to support efforts to remove the current Iraqi regime from power and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace the regime
It is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region
So the moral of the story is if you want to be popular with the European Union and the United Nations you take the Carter\Clinton foreign policy track of aiding and abetting Islamic fascism every chance you get.Let some poor s.o.b. Republican President have to deal with the results of those policies and take the heat of being a "warmonger" from the world, while these two birds go around giving speechs about how bad things are now and how great they were when they were in the White House !!!
bttt
I recall, around 1978, IIRC, on a business trip to San Francisco, staying in the Hyatt Regency, looking down from the balcony to the sidewalk below, seeing an anti-Shah rally.
Somewhere, I've got the photos I shot looking down on it. At the time, I was politically ignorant and had no idea what it all meant, other than concluding it made for some colorful photos.
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