IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR FREEPERS WITH FIREARMS!Akins Accelerator(tm) reclassified as NFA by BATFE

Atkins Accelerator (TM) ^ | 13 DEC 06 | dcbryan1

[DCBryan1]

BATFE DECIDES THE AKINS ACCELERATOR™ TO BE A MACHINEGUN

Akins Group Inc. regrets to announce that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has reversed its position and has decided the Akins Accelerator™ to be a machinegun conversion kit, thereby subjecting it to strict regulation under the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA).

ATF rescinded its previous determination that the Akins Accelerator™ was not a machinegun subject to the GCA or NFA (see http://www.firefaster.com/documentation.html for original documentation).

Attorneys for the Akins Group Inc. are seeking reconsideration by ATF of its new position. In the interim, any sale, transfer, or return of the Akins Accelerator™ must be suspended. Akins Group Inc. will advise further after meeting with ATF.

Akins Group Inc. has received no instruction as to the disposition of units in customer hands. Please refrain from public speculation and emotional responses and allow our Attorneys to advocate for everyone's best interests.

[DCBryan1]

Freepers, by BATFE ruling, if you are one of the tens of thousands of legal purchasers of the Atkins Accelerator (TM) in the last year, (UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE/RULING from BATFE), you should be aware that in a worst case scenario, your once, legally owned product may be subject to NFA registration and/or forfeiture to your local BATFE office/LEO office for disposal.

Congratulations BATFE! Your letter, several months ago told this manufacturer that his product was NOT subject to regulation and that he could go forth and persue the American dream by designing, researching, developing, marketing, and selling an item, and only later, under political pressure, come back to BAN THE ITEM, by reclassifying it. Thank you for now forcing this company to stop production, cease sales, unable to repair/service their product, and forced to go "lawyer up" and possibly have to "eat" huge amounts of legal recourse from angry customers who dropped $1000.00 plus for their product you, until recently blessed.

Thank you BATFE for stiffling enterprise, innovations, research, and development of anything doing with firearms. Thank you for making us less safe by reclassifying a stock as a machinegun. One more BATFE...do I have to register my right index finger as a machinegun now? It is capable of producing rapid fire on all of my semiautomatics....or do you want me to turn my right index finger into the local ATF shop to be torched and cut into four pieces?

[bk1000]

Remember, its for the children.

[DCBryan1]

Admin moderators, please don't move this to chat. This ruling has severe consequences for law abiding citizens with these kits. I have posted this to announcements, government (because of perceived BATFE abuse), crime/corruption (because once legal citizens are now in possession of (soon to be ruled) contraband that was legally purchased in the past).

Thanks, Mods...Freepers need to be aware of this decision, lest you might see BATFE agents crashing their doors in and either killing them or sending them to prison for ten (10) years.

[rwgal]

The BATF, our friend..../sarc

Meadow Muffin

[gnarledmaw]

Since these days any finger can be "easily converted" to an index finger, maybe they should all be torched...

[2harddrive]

QUESTION: Will the BATFE raid anybody's houses with flamethrowers, in order to confiscate those they had specifically approved?

[DCBryan1]

full auto(now illegal by BATFE ruling)

PING!

[LibWhacker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P8AbTKvykE

Wow, I'm gonna have to start reading the banglist more often. I've never heard of this thing.

[metmom]

ping

[DCBryan1]

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE ATKINS ACCELERATOR IS: It is simply a buttstock, a piece of a equipment, a tool, an implement that was, until recently, NOT A FIREARM, according to the NFA Technology Branch Chief.

What it did was use a recoil resistance spring in the buttstock that took a common, semi-auto Ruger 10/22 (probably the most popular rifle in America), and made it fire around 700 RPM.

The technology branch at BATFE took the prototype and its engineering design and told the company that, by federal law, and ATF definition, it WAS NOT a machinegun.

Now, months later, after youtube.com had made the company a huge profit and marketing boon, decided to reverse its own policy and definition and reclassify the buttstock so that it makes all of the owners of the item, now, a possible (until further ruling to be determined) felon.

[Last Laugh]

Thanks, Mods...Freepers need to be aware of this decision, lest you might see BATFE agents crashing their doors in and either killing them or sending them to prison for ten (10) years.

You'd think the Government would put a "Grandfather" clause on those who have already legally purchased it. I never knew this existed, or I may have purchased one.

At any rate, it seems a tad unconstitutional to break down peoples doors and seize their belongings.

[Yo-Yo]

Reading the documents, I found this excerpt from the BATFE letter amusing:

"The action of a semiautomatic SKS-type 7.62x39mm rifle from our firearms reference collection was placed within the submitted stock. the weapon was then test fired. Both of the adjustable screws fractured, breaking away from the underside of the stock. These fractures occured on the second test firing. The weapon did not fire more than one shot by a single function of the trigger."

So the example sent to the BATFE broke, and the BATFE based their findings on the fact the example broke!

[DCBryan1]

At any rate, it seems a tad unconstitutional to break down peoples doors and seize their belongings.

Do I detect sarcasm? You don't know much about the past dealings with ATF do you? ;0

[Kenton]

Here's how ya get around this:

1. Hold your semi-auto with your left hand on the handguard part of the stock.

2. Press the butt of the gun slightly against your torso.

3. Put you index finger slightly in front of the trigger, and relax your grip on the handguard so that the gun pushes forward from your torso, into your trigger finger.

The recoil will drive the rifle back into your soft torso, cock the gun, and your torso will push it back into your trigger finger.

Can't hit shit with it, but it rocks and rolls without any additions.

[LibWhacker]

Thanks. Would've loved to have one of those in my younger days. Would've been a lot of fun.

What should be banned are not machineguns, or buttstocks, or pistol grips, but the BATF!

[DCBryan1]

2. Press the butt of the gun slightly against your torso.

Damn, you mean I am going to have to stamp a serial number into my torso and wait 4 mos. for ATF approval? If they say no, I get to be turned into the ATF for destruction and disposal.

Hey, Im just following ATF rules here, ya know?

[Last Laugh]

Do I detect sarcasm?

LOL! Yes, you do

I've actually had a bit of experience with the ATF. I wonder how much I can tell? It involves a company I used to work for, seeing a couple of flashes of khaki pass by the front windows, turning around and seeing a drawn gun very near me and hearing the words "back away from your computer..NOW!" being said.

It was harrowing, but rather funny in a way (I knew I was innocent of whatever they were there for). The only thing I could say was "excuse me?". What I saw did not compute.

I always wondered why, in the movies, no one does what they are told when presented with a pointed gun. I know now - pure suprise prevents action.

[ASA Vet]

it seems a tad unconstitutional to break down peoples doors and seize their belongings

Which may explain just burning the people, doors, and belongings instead.

[Sax]

I had seen the Hellfire before, wasn't overly impressed. Now I'm ticked off that I didn't know about this beforehand. Crap.

[ASOC]

I watched the video, twice.

1) I wished my 10/22 fed as reliably as the one in the flick

2) I think any "reasonable person" would call the finished product a machine gun. Firing 25 or 50 rounds on a single trigger pull, IMO, qualifies this as a machine gun.

3) I would rather have a M16 than a re-worked 10/22, if nothing else the -16 was engineered to fire auto, and should stand up to the hard use much better than a reworked .22 semiauto..

4) While I applaud these folks for using youtube as an advert, one would think the term "hoist on their own petard" is appropriate.

[SENTINEL]

"You'd think the Government would put a "Grandfather" clause "

Our founding fathers did...Article 1 Section 10 (as I recall): "...and no ex post facto law shall be passed."

The BATF is violating this tenet of the constitution as well as the second ammendment with this ruling.

Start your stockpiling...Here we go again !

[ASA Vet]

The Bureau Attacking The Free, (BATF) should be banned?

Be careful citizen, you might be seen as a trouble maker.

[DCBryan1]

2) I think any "reasonable person" would call the finished product a machine gun. Firing 25 or 50 rounds on a single trigger pull, IMO, qualifies this as a machine gun.

I understand what you are saying, but if you read the ATF documentation, they said, we researched your product, and no, under federal law, and our careful examination, your product is NOT a machinegun, and you don't need any stinking licenses, permits, fees, etc...so you can go forth and make millions of dollars....

Only later to come back and say NOT!.

It is anti-captialism, anti-constitutional, anti-freeenterprise, anti-entrepreneur, and just plain anti-american to do this to a company wanting to provide (formerly) legal supply to a enthusiastic demand.

[Sax]

"Firing 25 or 50 rounds on a single trigger pull, IMO, qualifies this as a machine gun."

It's not a single trigger pull. Each round is fired by a individual trigger pull. The trigger recoils along with the receiver and is slammed forward into the finger resulting in a trigger pull for each round fired.

[DCBryan1]

The Bureau Attacking The Free, (BATF) should be banned?

I was told that it (BATF) meant:
Burn
All
Toddlers
First.

[Last Laugh]

I never understood how Reno got away with that. Or the Clinton Admin. too, come to think of it.

[DCBryan1]

It's not a single trigger pull.

Absolutely right. According to ATF, this now is considered a machinegun:

Any weapon that will slam fire
any weapon whose sear breaks and double fires,
any weapon which gets hot and has a "runaway" fire,
Any person who "limpwrists" a pistol and it fires twice
any "bump fire",
any inertia fire

Can you see where this is going?

[DCBryan1]

It's not a single trigger pull.

Absolutely right. According to ATF, this now is considered a machinegun:

Any weapon that will slam fire
any weapon whose sear breaks and double fires,
any weapon which gets hot and has a "runaway" fire,
Any person who "limpwrists" a pistol and it fires twice
any "bump fire",
any inertia fire

Can you see where this is going?

[Yo-Yo]

If you just want to burn through a brick of .22LR, you can still buy one of these from Cabela's:

[Last Laugh]

I think any "reasonable person" would call the finished product a machine gun. Firing 25 or 50 rounds on a single trigger pull, IMO, qualifies this as a machine gun.

I would say so as well. But the government has no business banning any firearms, especially from law-abiding people. The right to keep and bear arms does not specify certain types of arms, after all.

Gun laws - any of them - are unconstitutional.

[elkfersupper]

[ArrogantBustard]

I've seen a guy stick a cartridge in each ear, as field-expedient ear protection. I thought it was dumb ... that goes 'way beyond dumb.

[woollyone]

[Fierce Allegiance]

How do you set up 550 round magazines?

[LibWhacker]

Yup, I agree with everything you said. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc... However, I STILL think the Constitution took a major hit when they (in effect) outlawed machine guns, and they never should've done it. They had no right to do it, and I'm still highly ticked off about it! So this buttstock thingy ban is just adding insult to injury as far as I'm concerned.

[Last Laugh]

Start your stockpiling...Here we go again!

Start? I have not stopped since 9-11. ;)

[ASOC]

ROTFLMA completely O

Note that this maroons finger is on the trigger!

But I am sure it would have been called an "accedental" shooting. (AD my butt)

[Centurion2000]

Actually a better piece of equipment is a HellFire trigger system. Had one for an AK I used to have .... LOVED it.

Wound up selling the AK off.

[Rakkasan1]

BATF= BOHICA

[ArrogantBustard]

Think about it, though ... The guy in that pic is (presumably) a BATFag ... so a bullet passing in one ear, through his skull, and out the other will do precisely ZERO damage to him ...

[DCBryan1]

Start your stockpiling...Here we go again! Start? I have not stopped since 9-11. ;)

Hell, Ive been stockpiling (acutally holding an inventory) since 1993 raid at Waco. I was only 23 then, but it scared the hell out of me at the power of that agency. Kept me tight as a rope and as high strung as a $2.00 watch.

By the way, if my house ever catches fire, grab the popcorn, even if you are in the next state. I have enough ammo, alcohol, playboys, and toilet paper to last a decade;)

[LibWhacker]

LOL, you don't suppose I could convince them it wasn't me but my crazy twin who escaped briefly from the basement this morning, do you?

[IncPen]

ping

[Last Laugh]

By the way, if my house ever catches fire, grab the popcorn, even if you are in the next state. I have enough ammo, alcohol, playboys, and toilet paper to last a decade;)

LOL! Will do.

And thanks for reminding me..don't forget the Charmin..

[LibWhacker]

Boy, I've never heard of any of these gadgets. Looked up the HellFire Trigger System and found this:

The maker, Hell-Fire systems of Olathe CO has been put out of business by a lawsuit filed against it over the shootings at a San Francisco law firm. Survivors and the family of at least one of those killed have sued each company that made anything the killer brought with him, including the Hell-Fire gadget and the Tec-DC9 pistol.

[ASOC]

Humm

Wished my 10-22 worked this well (OK)

Video showed the shooter holding trigger to rear of trigger guard (visual clues, OK)

Reasonable man, usual legal test on a lot of things (OK)

Stupidly putting the video on YouTube, practically forcing the ATF to react...ah, I think I have it.

Placing video on a web site, showing use of rapid firing weapon that "looks like, it works like" a machine gun - DUH. No, make that - Double DUH!

These guys could give stupid lessons to Homer Simpson.

I'm sorry, why give ammunition (pun intended) to the anti-gunners out there? While many may not agree with current law, back in 1934 was the time to have stopped the nonsense.

[Deaf Smith]

Another was the Tri-Burst. It was outlawed about 12 years ago.

[DCBryan1]

Placing video on a web site, showing use of rapid firing weapon that "looks like, it works like" a machine gun - DUH. No, make that - Double DUH!

Dude, not to be rude, but did you even read the article? The COMPANY ASKED ATF for a review. ATF said, nope, not a machine gun, go ahead with your project. Company geared up, and made thousands, and THEN put it on YOUTUBE (with proper blessing from ATF). Then, several months later, ATF comes BACK and says, "well, I guess it was a machinegun even though we said it wasn't".

What ATF did was outlaw a legal item they said wasn't illegal!

Are we tracking now?

[Centurion2000]

It apparently is still out there.

http://www.triggeractivators.com/

[Centurion2000]

How was it declared illegal? Was it an internal or external trigger modification?

Last I heard the "rule" was it had to be an external trigger modification in order to be legal.