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IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR FREEPERS WITH FIREARMS!Akins Accelerator(tm) reclassified as NFA by BATFE
Atkins Accelerator (TM) ^ | 13 DEC 06 | dcbryan1

Posted on 12/13/2006 12:22:37 PM PST by DCBryan1

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To: Last Laugh
"You'd think the Government would put a "Grandfather" clause "

Our founding fathers did...Article 1 Section 10 (as I recall): "...and no ex post facto law shall be passed."

The BATF is violating this tenet of the constitution as well as the second ammendment with this ruling.

Start your stockpiling...Here we go again !

21 posted on 12/13/2006 12:55:15 PM PST by SENTINEL (USMC GWI (MY GOD IS GOD, ROCKCHUCKER !!))
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To: LibWhacker
The Bureau Attacking The Free, (BATF) should be banned?

Be careful citizen, you might be seen as a trouble maker.

22 posted on 12/13/2006 12:58:33 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: ASOC
2) I think any "reasonable person" would call the finished product a machine gun. Firing 25 or 50 rounds on a single trigger pull, IMO, qualifies this as a machine gun.

I understand what you are saying, but if you read the ATF documentation, they said, we researched your product, and no, under federal law, and our careful examination, your product is NOT a machinegun, and you don't need any stinking licenses, permits, fees, etc...so you can go forth and make millions of dollars....

Only later to come back and say NOT!.

It is anti-captialism, anti-constitutional, anti-freeenterprise, anti-entrepreneur, and just plain anti-american to do this to a company wanting to provide (formerly) legal supply to a enthusiastic demand.

23 posted on 12/13/2006 12:59:17 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum & Pit Bulls.)
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To: ASOC

"Firing 25 or 50 rounds on a single trigger pull, IMO, qualifies this as a machine gun."

It's not a single trigger pull. Each round is fired by a individual trigger pull. The trigger recoils along with the receiver and is slammed forward into the finger resulting in a trigger pull for each round fired.


24 posted on 12/13/2006 1:00:33 PM PST by Sax
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To: ASA Vet
The Bureau Attacking The Free, (BATF) should be banned?

I was told that it (BATF) meant:
Burn
All
Toddlers
First.

25 posted on 12/13/2006 1:01:01 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum & Pit Bulls.)
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To: ASA Vet
I never understood how Reno got away with that. Or the Clinton Admin. too, come to think of it.
26 posted on 12/13/2006 1:02:18 PM PST by Last Laugh
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To: Sax; ASOC
It's not a single trigger pull.

Absolutely right. According to ATF, this now is considered a machinegun:

Any weapon that will slam fire
any weapon whose sear breaks and double fires,
any weapon which gets hot and has a "runaway" fire,
Any person who "limpwrists" a pistol and it fires twice
any "bump fire",
any inertia fire

Can you see where this is going?

27 posted on 12/13/2006 1:04:35 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum & Pit Bulls.)
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To: Sax; ASOC
It's not a single trigger pull.

Absolutely right. According to ATF, this now is considered a machinegun:

Any weapon that will slam fire
any weapon whose sear breaks and double fires,
any weapon which gets hot and has a "runaway" fire,
Any person who "limpwrists" a pistol and it fires twice
any "bump fire",
any inertia fire

Can you see where this is going?

28 posted on 12/13/2006 1:04:38 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum & Pit Bulls.)
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To: LibWhacker
If you just want to burn through a brick of .22LR, you can still buy one of these from Cabela's:


29 posted on 12/13/2006 1:05:56 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: ASOC
I think any "reasonable person" would call the finished product a machine gun. Firing 25 or 50 rounds on a single trigger pull, IMO, qualifies this as a machine gun.

I would say so as well. But the government has no business banning any firearms, especially from law-abiding people. The right to keep and bear arms does not specify certain types of arms, after all.

Gun laws - any of them - are unconstitutional.

30 posted on 12/13/2006 1:07:46 PM PST by Last Laugh
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31 posted on 12/13/2006 1:08:50 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

I've seen a guy stick a cartridge in each ear, as field-expedient ear protection. I thought it was dumb ... that goes 'way beyond dumb.


32 posted on 12/13/2006 1:11:56 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DCBryan1

33 posted on 12/13/2006 1:13:10 PM PST by woollyone (a man self-deceived is twice deceived)
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To: Yo-Yo

How do you set up 550 round magazines?


34 posted on 12/13/2006 1:14:11 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: ASOC

Yup, I agree with everything you said. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc... However, I STILL think the Constitution took a major hit when they (in effect) outlawed machine guns, and they never should've done it. They had no right to do it, and I'm still highly ticked off about it! So this buttstock thingy ban is just adding insult to injury as far as I'm concerned.


35 posted on 12/13/2006 1:18:08 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: SENTINEL
Start your stockpiling...Here we go again!

Start? I have not stopped since 9-11. ;)

36 posted on 12/13/2006 1:20:27 PM PST by Last Laugh
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To: elkfersupper
ROTFLMA completely O

Note that this maroons finger is on the trigger!

But I am sure it would have been called an "accedental" shooting. (AD my butt)

37 posted on 12/13/2006 1:20:50 PM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Yo-Yo
Actually a better piece of equipment is a HellFire trigger system. Had one for an AK I used to have .... LOVED it.

Wound up selling the AK off.

38 posted on 12/13/2006 1:21:58 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If the Romans had nukes, Carthage would still be glowing.)
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To: rwgal

BATF= BOHICA


39 posted on 12/13/2006 1:21:58 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: ASOC

Think about it, though ... The guy in that pic is (presumably) a BATFag ... so a bullet passing in one ear, through his skull, and out the other will do precisely ZERO damage to him ...


40 posted on 12/13/2006 1:23:13 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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