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Teen Expelled From School For Turning In Found Gun
CBS 2 CHICAGO ^ | 14 DECEMBER 2006 | CBS 2 CHICAGO

Posted on 12/14/2006 9:23:06 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

Plainfield Student's Parents Say The Punishment Doesn't Make Sense

(CBS) PLAINFIELD, Ill. -- A 13-year-old Plainfield boy and his parents are stunned and outraged after the teen found a gun in school and turned it in to authorities, who then expelled him.

CBS 2's Dana Kozlov reports Ryan Morgan's parents and supporters attended the school board meeting Wednesday evening to try to fight the expulsion. They believe the punishment, and the subsequent alternative school option, are not the proper responses to a mistake made by a teenage boy.

Ryan Morgan, 13, says he pocketed a pellet gun he and a friend found in their school's bathroom to keep people safe. Morgan's mother says a short time later Morgan gave the gun to the Troy Middle School assistant principal.

"I told him maybe that wasn't the best decision, to remove that gun, but it did lead to you finding the culprit, he was arrested and to put my son in alternative school -- he has no behavior problems," Audrey Morgan, Ryan's mother, said.

The Morgans say there was no reasoning with the principal or with the school superintendent.

"He said, 'The board can give your son full two-year expulsion, I'm asking you not to go before them,'" Audrey Morgan said.

They went anyway, saying they had nothing to lose, only to see the meeting minutes already recommend expulsion.

Roy Morgan says he can't accept that, but accepts his son's decision.

"He said 'I'm going to turn this in' and you know what, I commend my son for making that decision. It was the right decision," he said.

School board officials issued a statement Wednesday night saying due to confidentiality reasons they can't discuss the specifics of this case, but that "purposeful possession of weapons is a serious offense and deserves careful consideration by the administration and the school board."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; education; zerocommonsense; zerotolerance
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To: John Williams
Did you read post #33? By the mom's admission, the kid only turned it in when he realized he was going to be asked to empty his pockets and backpack.

Hardly an issue of a kid "doing good" and being punished for it.

41 posted on 12/14/2006 11:13:06 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Motive, motive, motive.

The essence of nearly all crime is motive and that includes the obverse of direct motive, negligence - failure to exercize positive motive when it was an option.

The lad had no motive to conceal the weapon for the purpose of later use. He concealed it temporarily to keep it out of the hands of anyone else, and then turned it in.

The judgements of the school administrators (who come out of the same groups of people who become teachers/educators) reflects ignorance and stupidity; which given the SAT scores educators (lowest of all professions), is no surprise.


42 posted on 12/14/2006 11:38:51 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

A similar incident happened in Austin last year, except the weapon was a .25 cal handgun. A kid found it and turned it into the office.

The student was sent home "pending an investigation" of the incident. I think it was over two weeks before the student was allowed back on the campus.


43 posted on 12/14/2006 11:42:20 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The terrorists have many allies in the United States, especially in the democrat party.)
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To: Brownie63
Zero Intelligence policies are a tool for lazy gutless administrators to hide behind.

They'd better have something to hide behind. If you punish a troublemaker while giving a good kid a pass for vaguely similar activity, Al and Jesse and the rest of the troublemaker lobby will take you to court. Zero Intelligence is the codification of throwing good kids under the wheels so you can't be called unfair when you punish one of the bad ones.

44 posted on 12/14/2006 11:54:01 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: Pilsner

On a similar note. If there would have been an actual incident at the school where someone was shooting students, and this kid came up behind him and wrestled it away, he would still be expelled since he would then be in "purposeful possession" of a weapon.


45 posted on 12/14/2006 12:31:00 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Ill. is a messed up state anyway. My husband got a parking ticket there once in 1970. He payed it and moved on with life. In 1996 he went to renew his driver's license and Oregon said that he couldnt renew as Illinois had suspended his driving prevliges there in 1971 because of an unpaid ticket. He contacted Ill. to clear it up and they have no records going back that far yet they say that he privileges are still revoked in that state (He was just passing through on his way back to here). He told them to clear it up, they said they cant because they dont know what its for but he still cant drive there anyway. Oregon says they cant allow him a license to drive here until Ill. tells them what the reason was for. Carch 22. We are still fighting it to this day. So for Ill. to pull shit like this dosnt surprise me a bit. Those people are messed up.

Mac


46 posted on 12/14/2006 1:14:25 PM PST by macthegunrunner (Regulated by the BATF, unfortunately.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Another ride on the Zero Tolerance Expulsion train. Poor kid. Zero tolerance itself should be made illegal...it's unconstitutional!

Usually school boards are thoroughly bullwinkled. It is the administrators who should lose their freedom and their jobs. Expulsions are rigged. If he's special ed, all the more reason to be rid of him, he would lower their precious test scores.

To the school districts, kids are a commodity, not real people, and therefore can be treated like meat.

47 posted on 12/15/2006 7:35:57 PM PST by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: jaydubya2
And if he did have ill intent, but decided to do the right thing, he should be expelled, labeled and criminally charged? I don't think so. He should be punished/admonished but not expelled. He's already been suspended for a month and that should be sufficient punishment. If you saw the news programs you'll see that his parents agreed that he should NOT have touched the gun, but since he did and turned it in to the authorities (whether he turned it in because he thought "Oh, I'm going to get caught I better turn it in" or he thought "This can do harm, i better turn it in" is neither here nor there, he turned it in. I don't think his parents were fighting that he received punishment, I think it would have been a different case if they had just given him suspension. That punishment would have weighted as much as his infraction. But they wanted this guy to have a record, to be labeled. This was his FIRST "behavioral incident" ever.

I actually know the family personally, so I know that they are not the type of people to just stand up for their children even if they've done wrong. They have indeed admitted that perhaps he made the wrong decision in removing the gun (putting it in his pocket was DEFINITELY the wrong thing to do), but he decided (whatever his original intentions were, to do the right thing. And for that, his punishment is too much.

I was actually at the school the night of the meeting and in the very lunch room where he decided to turn the gun in was a poster LARGE as life saying "Honesty is sometimes hard, but it's the right thing to do!" But it seems in this case honesty merits as stiff a punishment as concealing and deception. So sad!
48 posted on 12/16/2006 7:00:38 AM PST by jkbrn
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To: kerryusama04
Stop, Don't Touch, Leave the area, tell and adult... say it with me now....

That's for little kids, and real guns. This was a pellet gun and a teenager.

The School board needs to be sued to the point where everyone in the district will have either home school or go to private schools, because the District doesn't have any money for indoctrination.

Zero tolerance == zero intelligence.

49 posted on 12/18/2006 8:05:04 PM PST by El Gato
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To: garyhope
What in the world do these "officials" expect to do if it ever becomes necessary to defend the homeland or their families? Just talk the enemy to death?

No they'd run out throwing flowers. Then be promptly captured and beheaded.

50 posted on 12/18/2006 8:06:53 PM PST by El Gato
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To: jkbrn
(putting it in his pocket was DEFINITELY the wrong thing to do)

If he hadn't, the "school resource officer" or other school system policeman probably would have shot him.

51 posted on 12/18/2006 8:15:54 PM PST by El Gato
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