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To: My2Cents

Yes it is .. but having been a member of a church for 20 years, I can tell you those who whine the most in public are most usually those who won't visit the pastor privately, because he might tell them their wrong .. so they go public.

The Bible calls such people "factious" - or somebody who just stirs the pot. If they're so unhappy with the Pastor's actions, then it's just better that they leave.

It's sad, but it's more common than most people know. People believe they are obligated to tell the Pastor what to do .. they're not. If more people would study how a church is supposed to function, they wouldn't get in all this trouble.


136 posted on 12/14/2006 11:20:24 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CyberAnt

I strongly agree with you. Well said.


142 posted on 12/15/2006 8:25:56 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: CyberAnt
I can tell you those who whine the most in public are most usually those who won't visit the pastor privately, because he might tell them their wrong .. so they go public.

Or, they have met privately, he won't do anything, and they go public, because that's what Matt 18 says to do.

154 posted on 12/15/2006 9:46:27 AM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: CyberAnt; My2Cents
Yes it is .. but having been a member of a church for 20 years, I can tell you those who whine the most in public are most usually those who won't visit the pastor privately, because he might tell them their wrong .. so they go public.

Not certain that Matthew 18:15-18 is an applicable passage in the case of somebody publically committing sin or preaching abhorrant doctrine, or advocating abhorrant conduct. The passage appears to deal with offenses committed privately, or semi-privately.

Paul confronted public error through public rebuke.

181 posted on 12/15/2006 10:48:31 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: CyberAnt
those who won't visit the pastor privately

Out of a 20,000 member congregation, how many people ever get to talk to the most high Warren privately anymore? With his "apologetics for Moslem Dictatorship" junkets, book signings, TV appearances, etc., how much actual face to face ministry has lord Rick done in the few years, outside the paid "ministry" staff?

He probably does'nt even know the names of 90% of his "flock". Maybe more accurate to say "can't" visit the pastor privately.

186 posted on 12/15/2006 11:03:57 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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