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Study Questions Colonoscopy Effectiveness
NY Times ^ | December 14, 2006 | GINA KOLATA

Posted on 12/15/2006 10:45:26 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Zeon Cowboy

Just enjoy the hell out of your next 30 or 35 years! Your time will come.


21 posted on 12/16/2006 12:01:04 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: river rat
Here in the San Francisco Bay area - Males need to keep a sharp eye on the Doctor and staff whenever we have our ass or family jewels exposed.

That's funny.

22 posted on 12/16/2006 12:01:33 AM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: Lurker

Um, I am a gastroenterologist.

Any endoscopy nurse can tell you who consistently gives a good exam and who doesn't. One guy will line up 15 patients and be done in about 3 hours. He can't find squat but he lives in a very nice house. Another fellow routinely "dry-labs": says he's looked at the entire colon when he hasn't. Again, it's a cash issue.

My advise: if you can, ask an endoscopy nurse for your colonoscopy referal, not your doctor. Caveat derriere.


23 posted on 12/16/2006 12:08:41 AM PST by JusPasenThru (Just another angry military veteran.)
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To: myprecious

I was watching it REAL TIME -- as it was being performed, for both procedures. It a show one shouldn't miss.

I had heard all the horror stories of guys after their procedures -- swearing they would never do it again.. But after having experienced it myself - they had to have been real sissies or had an extremely low tolerance for pain. They too had the anesthesia - and still claimed pain.
Personally, I believe they worried themselves into pain by the expectation of pain. Focus on what's going on and learn from the experience..

That being said -- even MORE interesting but involving more anxiety - was watching my own angioplasty while the Doctor was searching for the cause of my heart attack and the damage it did to my heart. That is a a procedure where they insert the camera probe into an artery in your groin -- and then you have to turn, twist, raise arms, lean from side to side to assist the doctor in getting the camera where he wants it.. That damned procedure took more than an hour and I was exhausted at the conclusion -- but alive. At least I learned that my problem would not require a stent, surgery, pace maker or anything more that a change of life style, diet and more exercise.

The spookiest part was when the Doctor asked me to sign a release stating that I was informed that 1% of patients DIE from the damned procedure.. I asked him how he was doing with the odds and he just smiled -- that was reassuring. He also said a much larger percentage die after they refuse to sign the release authorizing the procedure... THAT was the selling point.

Semper Fi


24 posted on 12/16/2006 12:09:34 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: GSlob; Zakeet
LOL! Khrushchev and Katie, there's a juxtaposition that sings. And now that Zakeet has fixed the glaring omission in the thread with his pic in #22, all is well. ;-)
25 posted on 12/16/2006 12:20:28 AM PST by TheSarce ("America is NOT what's wrong with this world." --Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: Lurker

Punk Doctors and Insults....

Yep, they do step in it from time to time....
Until they get to know you, and learn why your body looks such a mess.

The Doctor I have now is quite young - I WANT young doctors, and according to my wife -- he's a "heart breaking gorgeous" young Scotsman. Uh, She changed Doctors and transferred to mine... I need to keep an eye on that situation.

Semper Fi


26 posted on 12/16/2006 12:28:13 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
especially those over 55 or 60

Make up your mind :-)

... I had one recently, at age 57. The doctor told me afterwards that he had removed one polyp, and that I should have another exam in 10 years.

Then, I got a card in the mail with various categories checked off, indicating that this polyp was "pre-cancerous" and that I should have an exam in FIVE years. So, did a biopsy reveal something the doctor didn't know? or what? I tried calling back, but I hit an automated answering barrier, so I figured I have five years to think about it. I tried to impress the five-year date in my mind, but I forget it already. ... OK sixty two! "... if man is still alive ..."

27 posted on 12/16/2006 12:41:12 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: JusPasenThru
Thanks for the advice.

L

28 posted on 12/16/2006 1:05:20 AM PST by Lurker (Historys most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: dr_lew

Perhaps the Doctor spoke to you before receiving the lab analysis of the polyp.. Also, "pre-cancer" is not the RED flag.....just YELLOW the way it was explained to me.

My test went "clear" -- yet they told me to return in 5 years..

I suspect the good Doctor likes to replace his Mercedes on a 5 year plan -- no longer the 10 year plan.

Semper Fi


29 posted on 12/16/2006 1:34:52 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: neverdem; river rat; Zakeet
> "...the onus remains on patients..."

Heh. Heh. "Onus". He said "onus". Heh, Heh.

Oh, wait...

30 posted on 12/16/2006 2:08:08 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dr_lew
Metastatic colon cancer killed my grandpa and paternal aunt. They had high dietary etiological risks, and I do not believe they had regular colonoscopies. My father has these (he's a little older than you) and has had only one, noncancerous polyp removed.

If you had a polyp removed with some pathologically confirmed dysplastic tissue, consider yourself fortunate; if it were me I'd consider a visit in three years. Remember that you are just a patient number in their system, a statistic as it were, and since you have this risk (as I probably do as well, genetically) it's up to you to be proactive.

Sorry for the lecture, I just remember how my granfather went, with the disease in his liver and stomach because they didn't do these back then.

31 posted on 12/16/2006 2:26:59 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: JusPasenThru

Since you mention your occupation, is corruption really that rampant in the medical fields? I'm an avid reader of medical literature (esp. oncology and oncogenesis) and most seem very "into" their work. Perhaps that's because the doctors writing these papers/giving these seminars are more involved on the research side...?


32 posted on 12/16/2006 2:36:09 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: dr_lew

I would not wait five years.


33 posted on 12/16/2006 2:36:31 AM PST by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: ASA Vet

LOL


34 posted on 12/16/2006 2:40:29 AM PST by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: river rat
I agree with you have had the same thing done myself no drugs I watch every inch as it goes thru even asked for a 5x7 glossy of some shots for Christmas cards for people who send those boring Christmas letters. Seriously everyone should have it done their is only a little discomfort and once its done you go right home.
35 posted on 12/16/2006 3:32:34 AM PST by bikerman (Democrats the cut and run party.)
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Assembly line medicine (either Socialized or Insurance company run).....

Guess which way the time alotted to examinations will be.
36 posted on 12/16/2006 3:47:56 AM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: ansel12
I refused the drugs, and I'm pretty sure they were in there for hours,at least it seemed that way.

The last time I had one, the drugs administered were valium (to relax you) and demerol (to amuse you). They say that demerol is a "pain killer." To this day, I'm convinced that it doesn't stop you from feeling the pain. However, when you've had the demerol, you just don't give a damn! It seems that the drugs given are to done that way to keep you semi-concious, so you are able to help them by moving when they need you to move or shift positions.

Mark

37 posted on 12/16/2006 4:22:47 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Lurker

My Dad, who is 80, always prefaces physical exams with a stipulation that his prostate is swollen...


38 posted on 12/16/2006 4:43:05 AM PST by GrannyML
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To: neverdem

Well this is going to depress Dad!

He used to get me to drop him off and pick him up after one of these "procedures"...

For him to retain and maintain his flight status...NASA made him get these once a year...

Somebody must be rolling around now that the joke is out...;-)


39 posted on 12/16/2006 4:50:36 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Zakeet

At least she's smiling...She must like it...

Ohhhh, I am sooooo going to get lectured on this one...


40 posted on 12/16/2006 4:53:15 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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