Posted on 12/16/2006 1:05:49 PM PST by shrinkermd
NEW YORK - Thousands of protesters, counting in unison from one to 50 to mark the number of shots fired by police in the death of an unarmed Queens man last month, clogged Fifth Avenue on Saturday in a “Shopping for Justice” protest three weeks after the slaying and one week before the Christmas weekend.
Trent Benefield, 23, one of the survivors of the Nov. 25 shooting that killed Sean Bell, led the marchers from his wheelchair as they headed south through midtown Manhattan. He was encircled by bodyguards, and followed by a group of clergy and elected officials on one of the busiest shopping days of the year just nine days before Christmas.
"... This is not just a New York City problem,” said U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel, who was near the front of the march. “This march gives people a chance to speak out.”
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"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Sharpton made the unsubstantiated allegation that Pagones was one of a group of white men who abducted and raped Brawley.
“Al Sharpton is capable of making outrageous and reckless charges,” Pagones said. “I know, because I was on the receiving end in the Tawana Brawley case, which we know is a hoax. Al Sharpton is an opportunist. My primary purpose is to remind people to be careful when they listen to Al Sharpton.”
He he he. I'm sure they had all the proper permits for their "protest" as their are no reports of arrests.
And that is not regarding the fact that everyone in that car, driver and passengers alike (including the one who fled the scene), had felony records. Justice? Justice was done. Get over it.
Congressman Billybob
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After glancing at the headline I thought it said "Shoplifting for Justice." I may closer to the truth with that thought.
Probably NOT a good place to wear my "FRY MUMIA" Tee shirt, huh?
After glancing at the headline I thought it said "Shoplifting for Justice." I may closer to the truth with that thought.
Probably NOT a good place to wear my "FRY MUMIA" Tee shirt, huh?
When they got to #16 did they go"click, clunk..slap,click" to mimic the reload?
This is nothing more than inflammatory BS.
This "survivor" has now been so infused with arrogance and belligerence by Al Sharpless, that he actually thinks he matters enough for someone to want to harm him further.
Sharpless is a lying POS and does nothing more than rouse the rabble.
I think your wrong here...
Assume for now that the person behind the wheel deliberately tried to run over a cop, and he knew the cop was a cop and not a thug.
That would make this person (the driver) a legitimate target.
However, there were three other (citizens) in the car with this crazy man that displayed no threat to the cops. It's clear that they could not have conspired with the driver to run over the cop. There just wouldn't have been the time.
These other three deserve the protection of the cops, not execution. They could be viewed as hostages, since they were stuck in the car with this crazy man.
Suppose these folks got on a crowded buss instead of getting into their car. Would you support shooting 50 rounds into the bus. I think not.
The people in this case didn't just "rob a bank". They were at a bachelor party. You would have no reason to expect all the playgoers to be out to get you.
There's no way that all four had the intent to do harm to the cops, which leaves us with one or more Innocent citizens, and a justified murder (or attempted murder) charge against the cops.
Riddeling the car with 50 rounds was obviously an attempt to kill all the occupants of the car, not just the driver.
The fact that "all" had criminal records is irreverent. "Most" black males have criminal records in major cities, however the cops did not know of these records at the time of the shooting.
The police in this case need to be charged.
This man suffered mightily due to Sharpton and one of his fellow officers committed suicide.
That the media deifies Sharpton is sickening.
Consider the fact the undercover agent was in the strip club enjoying the show and drinking too. Now I don't know how large this club is, but if it is smaller club, then there is a chance that the victims could have seen him in there enjoying himself with all the rest.
Now he's outside the club flashing a badge and gun demanding that they comply with his commands. Is he real, or is he memorex? It is not a crime to go into a strip club and drink. The victims had committed no crime. At that juncture their crime became failure to comply. But how were they supposed to know who this character really was that was giving them commands? He was in the strip club drinking and partying too. Is he a mugger with a real gun and fake badge or a real cop? Not much time to decide.
Oops, he was real and he was a shooter. Course, if he was a mugger with fake badge, either way they were in trouble.
I think I would have done what Sean Bell did. Do everything I could to escape the scene knowing I had committed no crime and surely this wasn't a real cop.
Part of crowd psychology status is that a minority needs to constantly reinforce its necessity and rationale. When there is no central belief or purpose, then what results is a series of efforts to enforce some sort of cohesiveness.
For example, for the secular Jew (non observant) antisemitism serves this purpose. Any slight, no matter how trivial, is seen as proof positive that they are victims and need to defend themselves as a group. The pay off is they are once again identified as "Jews" with a big "J" rather than a small "j." Of course the big challenge to Judiasm is not the mediocre American antisemitiesm but the intermarriage of Jewish males to Gentile women.
For the African-Americans it is much the same only this time skin color is equated with being the target of police brutality. The constant effort at finding examples is exhaustive but the pay off is increased group cohesion and the ability to discharge group hostility and prejudice against Whites whomever they may be. The outcome this entire effort is only the justification of claims against the Democratic party with little or no benefit for the Black middle or underclass. Just a cheap emotion soon dissipated because of sameness and boredom.
Did you mean 'That the media defends Sharpton is sickening?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Did you mean 'That the media defends Sharpton is sickening?
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1. To make a god of; raise to the condition of a god.
2. To worship or revere as a god: deify a leader.
3. To idealize; exalt: deifying success.
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Oh sheesh. He has no problem as long as it's someone else. When his day arrives, Wellstone's send off will pale in comparison.
FOCUS!
"...but in my post #9 to Congressman Billybob, I conceded that the driver may have done something criminal and threatening to the cops."
For all we know this undercover agent jumped on the hood of the car and began firing because they refused to comply with his commands. Folks all over the nation are getting tasered for the same thing. Then as Bell was trying to throw him off the car he collided with the unmarked van that was full of other undercover agents that jumped out and began firing away themselves.
The one thing we do know, they had no guns. So we are left with the undercover agents claim that he tried to run him over...using the car as a deadly weapon.
I'll say this, that is a pretty agile agent that can be nearly run over by a car and then still be able to jump on the hood and began firing away. Obviously he wasn't hurt or impaired in anyway by the car. That tells me Bell was determined to escape the scene and the undercover agent was hell bent on stopping him even if it meant killing him and everyone in the car.
Bell's only crime thru-out this whole ordeal was failure to comply with the commands of someone he wasn't sure was a cop.
Lol. At least we all learned a new word..;-)
This really screwed up traffic in NYC today.
One can not imagine what it is like to have adrenaline pumping through your arteries and circumstances demanding split second decisions over life and death issues. Most of these "police brutality" stories are just that. A combat experience in civilian guise is the only way to describe it.
They occur in the face of imminent danger where the life or death decision may apply to you as well as others.
Not a job I would want, but I do honor the people who are able to do this as well as can be humanly done. If the police over reacted it makes sense considering the circumstances they were in. There is no way to change it now except say they were sorry and move on.
steve mahlsberg would have been going nuts on WABC today if he were still around.
The problem with 50 shots being fired is because NYPD use the Glock 9mm which is a fine weapon but a 9mm does not have the stopping power of the .40 S&W or .45 that is why so many shots were fired.
When people are in combat the hardest thing to convince them is to not empty their clip in an immediate fashion. Your body is wired with adrenaline, you are moving as fast as you can and that trigger is pushed till it ceases firing.
The problem is in combat you must reload since it is unlikely one clip will do it. While you are reloading the enemy can continue his fire. A tough choice and not likely to be made correctly except with experience and constant training.
just doin a little "window shoppin?"
I don't understand your post.
I agree totally. I have some friends who shot and killed a suspect that had run over and killed my LT and when asked they didnt even realise that they had emptied two mags of .45 into the car.
If these dumb asses had not have said "Im going to get my gun." Then we would not be talking about this, people just cant face their actions.
window shopping/looting. Sorry, should have indicated sarc,
" If these dumb asses had not have said "Im going to get my gun." Then we would not be talking about this, people just cant face their actions."
So I take it you believe the cops were justified. Do we have that quote "Im going to get my gun." on tape, or are we just going to take the cop's word for it?
If you don't have the facts of how this happened, please don't post nonsense.
Take your bleeding heart to Steven McDonald.
LOL
"Take your bleeding heart to Steven McDonald." (who ever that is...)
Is that all you have got yo say to defend your stupid post?
No, civilians die in battle every day. They are not targeted by suffer the consequences of war nonetheless. The soldiers are not punished because the deaths were not intentional or planned.
by suffer = but suffer
And scared the shiite out of me since I thought there was a terror alert. Forgot about the march. More cops than tourists.
The only thing I am sure of is you will be disqualified from any Grand Jury deliberating this matter.
"One can not imagine what it is like to have adrenaline pumping through your arteries and circumstances demanding split second decisions over life and death issues
Sure, some can't. I've been intentionally bump by a car in my past. And yes, my adrenaline was at the optimum. But I didn't come up firing like a scared shiiteless punk. Suppose everytime anyone hit by a car while crossing the street has a license to come up firing away? Law enforcement has an obligation to execute split second decisons alright but without killing the innocent. They have an obligation to not shoot at anyone unarmed. By any measure this was a crime perpetrated by wannabe rambos going after unarmed men with no just cause...since they had not committed any crime until they were accosted by the under cover agent who was partying and drinking in the strip too. Whatever this undercover agents complaint, there was no crime until he inserted himself into the situation making demands on the victims who were unsure of his status to be making those demands after seeing him partying in the club.
Criminals are constantly impersonating police officers. Often these perps will dress and drive a vehicle with lights like the cops pulling over women on secluded highways. That is why today at least a lone women in Georgia can continue to a lighted and public place before pulling over. So therefore, it is no doubt in my mind that perps in NYC will sometimes pretend to be cops with guns and badges. How are we supposed to know the truth of their identity, especially when they are performing under cover operations drinking and partying in a strip club themselves.
BTW, Cop as a career is at at the lower rung of the ladder of most dangerous careers. It's just that the fishermen, loggers, truckers, cab drivers, and convenience store workers don't get the same sensational glamour with marching bands and 21 gun salutes. They are mere statistics to be reported upon and logged in as stats. Besides, who's going to have a show regarding the dangers of a store clerk? These people are shot, killed, maimed, brutalized,beaten and robbed on a daily basis.
How do I know? I follow these things. And it is bogus to attempt to claim redemption for killer cops based on the dangers inherit in their job. Their job is amongst the lesser dangerous. A roofer has a more danger job. It's a fact. In fact, fishing, logging, and roofing is so dangerous I am surprised it hasnt been banned yet. Forget the store clerk and his daily demise. I'm not sure anyone is even counting their deaths in the line of their duty.
Ok, rant over. Point made. Criticisms welcomed.
"In this case it would involve death or injury to Innocent people."
You are no doubt wiser than your years. The ability to see the forest thru the trees comes with maturity and wisdom.
The initial comments here focussed on the illegitmacy of Al Sharpton. Sure he has flaws going back to Tawana Brawley. But that does not mean he is not capable of inserting himself into a just cause. If Al Sharpton weren't out there seeking justice for this injustice, then who would?
Of all the civil rights leaders I miss the most is Josea Williams. He was a preacher, a party animal, (since he loved to embibe on ocassion making him human in my book), but he had a forgiving heart of gold filled with charity for his fellow human beings. As I recall, he forgave all those racists who threw rocks and bottles at him during his CRs marches. He lived and breathed the philosophy of Dr. King and continued to support the helpless-hopeless-homeless-hungry year round , but especially on Thanksgiving and Christmas til the day he died.
I can't speak for Hosea, but I believe even he would have been in NY protesting this wrongful kill.
The sad fact is that we are stuck with the likes of AS to do the bidding. But in this case, I am convinced the race pimps are marching for just cause.
Just wondering here:
If I took my car and ran though the crowd,
Would anyone think to shoot at the car to stop me?
And if Lying Al was the first to go,
Should I get a permanent drivers license?
"You are no doubt wiser than your years."
Thank you, but you don't realize how old I am....
Since you don't know who Steven McDonald is, I am assuming you are part of Sean Bell's posse.
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