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Complexity of Islam feeds misinterpretation
Islamdaily ^ | 12/17/06 | Mansour El-Kikhia

Posted on 12/16/2006 6:51:54 PM PST by Valin

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To: word_warrior_bob
It's worked every other time, how are we going to break their will if every time we kill another terrorist another one straps on a suicide belt.

We need to kill them in massive numbers and civilians be damned, the killed our civilians on purpose, when we kill their civilians it will be "collateral damage" and the collateral damage will contain much more than 50% of people who want to kill us anyway.

Once they realize that they either surrender or die they will get the message, the message they're getting now is that they can outlast us.


The enemy, my friend, is liberalism. We can overcome anything except when liberalism prevails. If we want to win the war on terror we first have to deal with the war on mankind, decency, and common sense. That is to say, we have to defeat liberalism. We can fight both wars at once, and we have to. But if we don't kill the idea of liberalism we're doomed for certain.
61 posted on 12/16/2006 11:16:28 PM PST by Jaysun (I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
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To: zimdog

I'm not a rabble rousing "Nuke Mecca", nuke the raghead nutjob.

We are not conducting a "War on Terror".

I want to use nuclear weapons to send a message and END this war before these lunatics nuke us. Harry Truman dropped 2 nukes and a civilization that was willing to fight to the last man, woman and child surrendered and ultimately became an ally.

I would like to spare future generations of a world where theocratic fundamentalist Islamic madmen hold nuclear weapons over our head. The Soviets had common sense, they did not relish death ultimately.

This is a different enemy, an EXTREME enemy, if we don't deal with them in an extreme way, the future is in peril.


62 posted on 12/16/2006 11:18:20 PM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: zimdog

It seems the Nuke Mecca Crowd is content to dismiss an article based on its title alone. For those of us who read it, it was very interesting.

And FYI, some branches of the Maliki school are so conservative that they dissuade proselytizing by Muslims who live in non-Muslim lands.

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So, how do you propose we fight the "Global War on Terror"?

Do you think we should have crushed Hitler when he started to invade his neighbors? Is hindsight 20/20?

Do we need to wait until a terrorist detonates a nuclear bomb before we go nuclear on them?

Do you trust them to NOT use a nuclear weapon against us when they acquire them? Would you trust Hitler to do the same?

What kind of enemy do you think we're facing and how should we confront them?


63 posted on 12/16/2006 11:22:54 PM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: Jaysun
The innocents are to be spared at all cost. Nonsense. We'd be done in Iraq if this were not our current policy. You have to break their backs until their unwilling to support your opposition in exchange for your mercy. The idea that in war we should only kill those that sign up for it is nuts. War means nothing then, and it changes nothing.

So your objectively in favor of killing innocent people. Thanks for clearing that up.

64 posted on 12/16/2006 11:27:54 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
So your objectively in favor of killing innocent people. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes. You're welcome. Do you consider those that actively support our enemies to be "innocent"?
65 posted on 12/16/2006 11:32:56 PM PST by Jaysun (I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
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To: Jaysun
Do you consider those that actively support our enemies to be "innocent"?

No, but that wasn't the issue. You said that it was "nonsense" to spare innocent lives. Your buddy Osama says the same thing.

66 posted on 12/16/2006 11:36:38 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
No, but that wasn't the issue. You said that it was "nonsense" to spare innocent lives. Your buddy Osama says the same thing.

No. That IS the issue. You've been insulting and I don't appreciate it. But I'll refrain from being the same to you. If we're at war with any other nation we're at war with the whole nation, not just the "leadership". If we don't destroy whatever will has allowed the "leadership" to exist then we'll be ineffective.

What stops any nation from raising hell if they know that only those in the military might face consequences?

It's idiocy. The people of Iraq, at least a significant portion of them, supports the opposition. Otherwise the opposition wouldn't exist. Do you think American's wouldn't report a suicide bomber that lives next door to them? Of course not.

War isn't a football game in which the best team wins. War is controlled by politics...or the people.

It may sound politically incorrect or brutal, but if you want peace you have to kill innocent people. Because it's then that the innocent people become intolerant of the sort of BS that leads to war in the first place. Otherwise you have no incentive for the innocents not to support nutjobs. Indeed, nutjobs will be supported because of the brutality that they threaten the people with.

My "buddy Osama", as you call him, is effective for just that reason. Opposition to him means death. They choose Osama because he deals the harsher punishment for opposing him than we do, not because they agree with him.
67 posted on 12/17/2006 12:15:15 AM PST by Jaysun (I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
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To: EnochPowellWasRight

It's a wonder why these "all Islamics are the devil" types aren't protesting the U.S. for favoring "good" Muslims i.e. the Kurds, instead of fighting them all, if they truly believe that all Muslims feast on Christian and Jewish blood.


68 posted on 12/17/2006 12:21:26 AM PST by RightCenter
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To: 353FMG

Including the ones we helped in Iraq by liberating them?!?


69 posted on 12/17/2006 12:24:36 AM PST by RightCenter
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To: word_warrior_bob

Where would you like to use the nukes on?


70 posted on 12/17/2006 12:26:26 AM PST by RightCenter
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To: RightCenter

Including the ones we helped in Iraq by liberating them?!?

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Saddam was not a fervent muslim, theocratic zealot. The Iraqi population was thought to be the best hope of establishing a democracy in the Middle East because of the higher percentage of educated people, a country not as steeped in terrorist indoctrination, etc.

Saddam was a brutal dictator who by his actions caused a lot of resentment with his people.

Many of the "religious" Muslims in Iraq ARE working against us.


71 posted on 12/17/2006 12:29:34 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: RightCenter

Where would you like to use the nukes on?

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I would go right to the heart of the country most likely to use nukes against us, sell them to terrorists to use against us, fund terrorists to use against us. An enemy who has threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. An enemy who threatens to share all nuclear secrets with like minded lunatics.

Iran


72 posted on 12/17/2006 12:32:15 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: word_warrior_bob

Oh, I get it then. You weren't exactly for the invasion, were you?


73 posted on 12/17/2006 12:34:23 AM PST by RightCenter
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To: zimdog

So your objectively in favor of killing innocent people. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Can you name a WAR where innocent people aren't killed? If civilians are killed by "collateral damage" in a war, that's part of war.

Would we have won WWII without killing civilians? If we fight a utopian war while our enemy has no rules, we will lose.

Was Harry Truman wrong in ending WWII?

It's not so much that he or I are in FAVOR of killing innocent civilians, but the enemy killed our civilians, and will kill more if not stopped. So we save more of OUR innocents from being killed and if THEIR civilians are ravage by war maybe they will think about not supporting the madmen who brought this war upon them.

You crush the enemy into submission/surrender, isn't that the way we won other wars?


74 posted on 12/17/2006 12:39:43 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: RightCenter

I was for an all-out war on all fronts starting in 1993 after the first WTC bombing.

I was in favor of increasing intelligence/espionage spending tenfold. I was in favor of secret death squads breaking down doors of terrorists and executing them, striking fear in the hearts of their comrades.

I was in favor of putting people from Islamic countries LAST in line for entry into the United States.

I was in favor of having a mole/spy in every mosque in the United States.

I was in favor of a real "global war on terror".

Now that it has gotten this far, I'm in favor of using nuclear weapons to snap these people and their populations into reality. That reality being, we are the most powerful country on earth, Allah will not protect you, dismantle your armies immediatley and accept our gracious terms of surrender, no negotiations.

If they don't like it we nuke another city until they like it ad infinitum, if they relish death we will give it to them unless they like to surrender.

If they believe by dying defending Allah is honorable aren't we doing them a favor?

You see, I take people at their word, if you tell me you're going to kill me and my family, I'll kill you first. This is exactly what they have done, are we supposed to dismiss this like we do the crazy uncle talking nonsense at the family reunion or take them at their word?


75 posted on 12/17/2006 12:47:25 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: Valin

76 posted on 12/17/2006 12:55:52 AM PST by endthematrix (Both poverty and riches are the offspring of thought.)
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To: endthematrix

Careful, there are a few on this thread who have more tender sensiblities. I'm not one of them.


77 posted on 12/17/2006 1:08:09 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: Valin

Islam preaches genocide of all who disagree with it.


78 posted on 12/17/2006 2:08:13 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: Jaysun

That's what I see too.
The perfect army. It will be 100 percent loyal with no reward on earth
This business of giving up everything here so they can get worldly pleasures in the afterlife where there are no worldly pleasures is brilliant. The army that fights on without ever getting paid or getting any reward.
The army that will do anything for the rest of their lives for nothing.
Big mo must have died many lives laughing.


79 posted on 12/17/2006 3:46:21 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: Jaysun

We'll kill oursevles first just so we don't
"offend" anyone. They could just sit back and watch us deconstruct.


80 posted on 12/17/2006 3:50:00 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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