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A New York Times headline about the ban reads: "A Model for Other Cities."
Absolutely nuts!
Posted on 12/20/2006 5:15:05 AM PST by Molly Pitcher
New York City has ordered restaurants to stop selling food made with trans fat. "It is a dangerous and unnecessary ingredient," says the health commissioner. Gee, I'm all for good health, but shouldn't it be a matter of individual choice?
A New York Times headline about the ban reads: "A Model for Other Cities."
"A model for what, exactly?" asks George Mason University economist Don Boudreaux (LINK: www.cafehayek.com). "Petty tyranny? Or perhaps for similarly inspired bans on other voluntary activities with health risks? Clerking in convenience stores? Walking in the rain?"
Trans fats give foods like French fries that texture I like. They are probably bad for me, but Radley Balko of Reason points out that "despite all of the dire warnings about our increased intake of trans-fats over the last 20 years, heart disease in America has been in swift decline ... So, if they're killing us, they're not doing a very good job."
But that's not the point. In a free society the issue is: Who decides what I eat, the government or me? It's not as though information about trans fats is hard to come by. Scaremongers like the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) are all too happy to tell you about the dangers, and they have no trouble getting their declarations of doom on television and into newspapers.
Unfortunately, CSPI is not content to tell you avoid trans fats. It sues restaurants like McDonald's and KFC for using them, and urges governments to ban them.
But why do the health police get to take away my choices? Adults should be expected to take responsibility for their own health.
Often the health police say they must "protect the children." But children are the responsibility of their parents. When the state assumes the role of parent, it makes children of all of us.
The food prohibitionists don't understand that there are ways to influence people's behavior without resorting to coercion -- remember, coercion is the essence of government. The public fuss about harm from trans fats has already induced many food makers to remove them. It's suddenly become a competitive advantage to boast that your products are trans-fat-free. Such voluntary action is the best way to move toward healthier food.
Why isn't that good enough for the prohibitionists? Why must they enlist the iron hand of government?
I think they dislike freedom of choice. They know the right way, so it's only right that they force everyone to follow them. That's the philosophy of prohibitionists.
The Center for Consumer Freedom is running ads saying: "Now that New York has banned cooking oils with trans fat (the same substance as margarine) ... it opens the door to banning so much more! Using the same logic, let's get rid of New York style pizza (seriously, do you need all that cheese?), beef hot dogs (tofu dogs almost taste the same), corned beef (turkey breast is much leaner). ... "
Yes, I know the center's sponsors include restaurants and food companies, but still, it has a good point.
Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman, who died a few weeks ago, would have agreed. He was the author of "Free to Choose" and "free to choose" sums up Friedman's philosophy. He would have cringed at the banning of trans fats, just as he objected to the earlier banning of products like the sugar substitute called cyclamates.
Over 25 years ago, Friedman wrote, "If we continue on this path, there is no doubt where it will end. If the government has the responsibility of protecting us from dangerous substances, the logic surely calls for prohibiting alcohol and tobacco. . . . Insofar as the government has information not generally available about the merits or demerits of the items we ingest or the activities we engage in, let it give us the information. But let it leave us free to choose what chances we want to take with our own lives."
We should ban chocolate. It is a drug after all...............
sounds like the movie "Demolition Man" and its depiction of future Los Angeles.
Be well, John Spartan.
Did you ever figure the secret of the three sea shells?
Imagine if Hillary had her way with health care.
Once the government starts providing health care, it becomes a state interest how well you take care of yourself. Your behavior becomes a factor in government expenditure. If you smoke, drink, eat fatty foods, don't exercise, you are costing the government money, and therefore, subject to government sanction.
Its a brave new world we are heading into. A world of socialism that can give you everything you need, or take it away.
That would be all Democrats and most Republicans
Oddly enough, just about everyone does, but the start ones won't actually say anything, either because they think I'm a smartass or because they know better than to start an argument with me.
Nanny State PING!!!!
John Stossel gets it!
My son is athsmatic and I used to pay anywhere from $16 - $23 for his Albuterol inhaler.
About a month or so ago, all of a sudden the inhaler inflated to $32.
Imagine my shock.
I asked why (of course) and was told that 'they' had outlawed the propelant and these new puffers had a different propelant and were thus more expensive.
The only good I can see resulting from this is ... I was able to get an important lesson taught to a 12 year old boy ...
"Why, dad?"
"Because 'they' said so"
Who are 'they'?"
"I don't know, but even if I did, there's nothing I can do ... the damage has been done ... by the time anyone rallys a strength to combat 'them' ... 'they' will be dead and a new 'danger' will have developed"
"That ain't right, Dad."
"I know ... pay attention ... one day I'll be dead and you and your sister will be electing the people that control your lives."
Stossell nails the soft authoritarianism of the center-left.
Unfortunately, no. I really tried though ;)
Huh? Why would anyone have a problem with what you keep in your bedroom - now if you put something in their bedroom I could see a problem.
However, screening for hepatitis, TB, HIV, salmonella, e.coli, etcetera from illegal alien restaurant workers will be waived so as not to seem offensive to certain voting blocs.
Because people are morons who think that they know better than you do. Duh.
8-)
TS
And winter mountain climbing. Lots of folks here suddenly want to restrict people from mountain climbing, even though the vast majority have never, ever done it. Land of the free? Yeah, right.....
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Yes indeed. And more and more people want it that way. Let the government make all the big decisions for me - health care, what I eat, can I smoke, plan my retirement, etc, as long as I get to choose what channel to watch!
There HAS to be a way to stop this insanity!!
taco bell
coffee, tobacco, alcohol, exams in public schools, grade point averages in public schools, high school football, rat poison, bleach, mercury thermometers, ammonia, any ingredient in pesticides that actually kills pests, wood-burning fireplaces, salt, sugar, skateboards, two-story houses, ladders, cough syrup, table saws, lawn mowers, guns, hunting, backyard swimming pools, hang gliding, motorcycles, etc...
The government already considers your poor health a detriment to maximized tax receipts. Since citizens are clearly the main source of government income, anything that impedes the efficient use of the human resource is a bad thing.
Don't give them anymore bright ideas.........
I want to know what her plan is like for those who have chronic health conditions. The very thought of it terrifies me.
I think investing in coffee, liquor, beer, wine, might be a good thing, in the short run.
''What will they Ban Next?
Foldin' money?''
Exactly - then they will be able to trace everything we do.
Regulate and Tax accordingly.
Golly-Gee - can't wait.....
As an example, on the news last night, the Fort Wayne Indiana city councilman pushing a very strict new smoking ordinance made it clear that THEY were exempting outdoors and private residences.Indicating to me that they assume they have the right to do either that or the opposite.
Trans fats are unhealthy, with an abundance of scientific evidence to that effect. Friedman would probably not have opposed banning them in most applications as he saw a role for the State in setting the "rules of the game," with public health a recognized basis for action.
Assuming you are a conservative since you are here, do you really believe regulating trans fat is within the purview of a city government?
I begin to wonder about Clair Wolf's comment that it's too late to do anything conventionally and too soon to start shooting the bastards.
Doesn't everyone keep their clicker by their bed?
Thanks for the ping!
A New York Times headline about the ban reads: "A Model for Other Cities."
Absolutely nuts!
You've got it right. They actually do believe they have the right.
Oh, and ban Bungee Jumping and Para sailing.... Some people have been hurt............
Same as the secret for 3 card Monty......
"If Hillary had her way with health care..."
Some of us are already there. For those retired on Medicare the rationing has aready begun.
this past August, alone on my ranch,I was bitten by a cotton mouth water moccosin in my vegetable garden. The bill came to 2700.00 at the hospital The ambulance 588.00. Medicare paid only 331.00!!!! And NOTHING on the ambulance bill. Medigap policy won't pay for anything Medicare disallows either. I'm afraid we're expected to keep paying and hopefully die if there's any chance we might run up a bill. Some are doing just that.
My neihbor was bitten in the face by a rattlesnake same time last year. She died sitting in a lawn chair on her front porch waiting for the ambulance. (same EMT guys who came for me.) Don't guess either was a true medical emergency.
Seniors need to be made aware of this rip-off. I've paid over 4,000 in premiums and never had a claim until now. I think everyone is going to love national health care!!!
"We should ban chocolate. It is a drug after all..."
Things at my house would definitely get ugly! (See tagline.)
You forgot SALT. In the book, "The Death of Common Sense," OSHA actually fined a company for have a salt shaker in the employee lunch room that was NOT LABELED!!!
The food industry has turned us into a bunch of fat asses. Ooorah to NYC.
This article has it all. A common sense argument, railing against the fascists at CSPI and a quote from Milton Friedman! Heaven! :)
Thats a real conservative view-"Government please save me from that mean old food industry and myself."
The banned propellant was none other than the preeminent ozone depleter, R-12; it is non poisonous after all and we surely can't have that.
all of the smoking nazis that are so delighted to brand smokers as pariahs will be whistling a different tune when its their turn in the barrel.
Be well, John Spartan.
Edgar Friendly: You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green jello all over my body reading playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".
Alas, many of them are the same people.
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