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Oil and the Straits of Hormuz
The Washington Times ^ | December 26, 2006 | Tulin Daloglu

Posted on 12/26/2006 10:05:34 AM PST by presidio9

President Bush has decided to delay publicly outlining his new Iraq strategy until next month. In many ways, the new plan will represent a more difficult decision than the initial call to go to war in Iraq.

Even Mr. Bush has been forced to admit that post-Saddam Hussein Iraq has not turned out as expected. Mr. Bush is also buying time for the Iraqi factions -- Sunnis, Shi'ites and Kurds -- to figure out whether they can move closer to agreeing on national reconciliation efforts and trying to create a little space for newly minted Defense Secretary Robert Gates to assume his new role. When Mr. Bush announces his new approach, he will also decide how he will deal with the emerging Iranian nuclear threat. But the looming confrontation between the United States and Iran could affect something that had been unforeseen: global sea trade.

When I interviewed Donald C. Winter, the secretary of the Navy, I asked him to explain the importance of trade over the Straits of Hormuz, just off the south coast of Iran. "Hormuz is a major point that goes in and out of the north Arabian Gulf," he said. Indeed, it is a critical point; 40 percent of the world's oil passes through it every day.

But he said something even more important: "What happens in the world economy is affected by the sense of comfort -- the idea that we can engage in shipping," he explained. "The price of oil, for example, which has a very significant impact on the world economy... [Our] sense of security -- those in the sector know their [survival depends on their] ability to ship oil from where it is produced to where it is needed. And therefore, any challenge to that

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bombirannow; bomboilpipelines

1 posted on 12/26/2006 10:05:35 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Another falsetto "The Straits of Hormuz" are falling article.

If Iran chokes off the Strait of Hormuz, that it tantamount to a declaration of war, and makes the choice of action easier, not harder for the administration in power.

I suppose if we wait long enough, we will again hear all about the Iranian navy, submarines and speedboats that will bring the US Navy to its knees.


2 posted on 12/26/2006 10:14:18 AM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: rlmorel


We can't go to war for oil dammit.


3 posted on 12/26/2006 10:16:09 AM PST by presidio9 (Proudly posting every day from Ground Zero)
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To: presidio9

Good GOD, NO!

Wait until we get in a situation where we don't have enough jet fuel for Huffington, Streisand and Clooney to fly their Gulfstreams around, and we are going to hear some serious screeching for war coming from the Liberals.

Heck, it might happen sooner if there is a gas crunch and they can't get the gas for the van to pick up their illegal landscapers.


4 posted on 12/26/2006 10:24:02 AM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: presidio9

Can we say, "The President, and the powers that be are concerned about ANY Iranian intervention by way of cruise missiles aimed at american ships?"


5 posted on 12/26/2006 11:00:21 AM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: presidio9
But the looming confrontation between the United States and Iran could affect something that had been unforeseen: global sea trade.

Such bullcrap. We've been talking about this possibility since 1978.

6 posted on 12/26/2006 11:04:16 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: presidio9

"Hormuz is a major point that goes in and out of the north Arabian Gulf,".

And, I did not even know that points could move - much less swim.


7 posted on 12/26/2006 12:41:20 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: presidio9

Interesting -- but no mention made of recent additional US Navy units, including another aircraft carrier, being sent into the area.

The other unmentioned piece of this puzzle is also worrysome: what if Iran and Venezuela act in concert to limit the supply of oil entering the world market?


8 posted on 12/26/2006 1:41:17 PM PST by Clioman
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To: rlmorel

Wait until we get in a situation where we don't have enough jet fuel for Huffington, Streisand and Clooney to fly their Gulfstreams around, and we are going to hear some serious screeching for war coming from the Liberals.

Heck, it might happen sooner if there is a gas crunch and they can't get the gas for the van to pick up their illegal landscapers.




You forget. These people always live by different rules than we common people. If it is $10 a gallon they can pay for it. If it is rationed they will use their influence to cheat the system, all the while decrying the evil black marketers and the rich. Bet on it.

Socialists never live by the rules they promulgate.


9 posted on 12/26/2006 2:07:12 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Yeah...I know.

(hangs head in shame for forgetting the prime rule)


10 posted on 12/26/2006 2:23:51 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Clioman
what if Iran and Venezuela act in concert to limit the supply of oil entering the world market?

The USA would be fine since we can cut consumption 50% immediately and another 25% in a month and don't really need to import. The other oil burning countries would have a big problem since they are already as green as they can get and have to import.

11 posted on 12/26/2006 2:28:35 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: rlmorel

I and a few other naval assets kept that chokepoint handled for many years while on deployment there in the 80's...Remember when it wasn't "cool" to be in the Persian Gulf???

Lost a few friends there as well...Before any war, or rumor of war, we were being targeted and shot at for a long time before any of the current activities taking place now...

The Superintendant of the Naval Academy, Adm. Rodney P. Rempt, was my first C.O. when I was in the fleet...

I do not believe with the leadership and the training that has been ongoing for the last 30 years is going to waste...

If there is to be a naval battle in and around the Persian Gulf, I can guarantee you it will be short, ugly, brutal and final...And Johnny Achmed sailor is going to have a very bad day...They are all good little goober targets to me, then and now...

No problem here...Move along...Move along...


12 posted on 12/26/2006 7:56:09 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

ping


13 posted on 12/26/2006 7:59:25 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

TANKS,Pinz,,,Did we post about this?????????????...;0)


14 posted on 12/26/2006 9:04:03 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

You've hypothesized about this since I first met you. Had your crystal ball back then, huh?


15 posted on 12/26/2006 9:06:49 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

It's got a tin-foil-hat,,,just like "your's".LOL.*<(;O)


16 posted on 12/26/2006 9:29:37 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: stevie_d_64

Thanks for your service there. I do believe if it came down, we would be able to keep the straits open. They could cause damage in the short run since none of them have any problems with defiling the gulf with fire, wrecks and oil.


17 posted on 12/26/2006 9:30:36 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: rlmorel

It is pretty tight through there, but the traffic is well managed...

You don't need piloting services unless you are a complete goob who can't steer and follow a chart...

The "smaller" cross traffic could cause some heartburn, but tactically it would be easy to clog it up, yet fairly easy to clear it, or steer around any appreciable problems...

Iran used to have, and I'd need to confirm, but they used to have these "big" Silkworm anti-ship missles...Not the mis-nomered C-802's that the Chinese are selling to them, some can be airlaunched, but that can be countered relatively easy...Those big landbased Silkworms are problamatic in that they are really huge...Almost as big as a "small" fighter, they are relatively fast, and in that short of an operating area could give you some problems...They also have a pretty big warhead, about 2000 lbs. of high explosive stuff, plus residual fuel makes for a pretty big bang...

But with all of that, the Iranians don't have much more that can't be dealt with in a decisive manner...I certainly wouldn't want to be around one of them when the bullets start flying...


18 posted on 12/27/2006 3:41:10 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Tin is the new fashion accessory! ;-)


19 posted on 12/27/2006 6:21:51 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

With chin-strap...;0)


20 posted on 12/27/2006 4:32:50 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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