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Military considers recruiting foreigners Expedited citizenship would be an incentive
Boston Globe ^ | 12/26/96 | Bryan Bender

Posted on 12/27/2006 5:47:37 AM PST by Kimberly GG

WASHINGTON -- The armed forces, already struggling to meet recruiting goals, are considering expanding the number of noncitizens in the ranks -- including disputed proposals to open recruiting stations overseas and putting more immigrants on a faster track to US citizenship if they volunteer -- according to Pentagon officials.

Foreign citizens serving in the US military is a highly charged issue, which could expose the Pentagon to criticism that it is essentially using mercenaries to defend the country. Other analysts voice concern that a large contingent of noncitizens under arms could jeopardize national security or reflect badly on Americans' willingness to serve in uniform.

The idea of signing up foreigners who are seeking US citizenship is gaining traction as a way to address a critical need for the Pentagon, while fully absorbing some of the roughly one million immigrants that enter the United States legally each year."........

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 1ers; aliens; bush; chickenlittle; immigrantlist; immigration; knownothings; obl
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Now there's a plan...unfreekingbelievable. How completely moronic has our leadership become.

IMO, IT'S TIME TO TAKE BACK AMERICA!!

1 posted on 12/27/2006 5:47:40 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: Kimberly GG

Posted yesterday. Keep in mind this is the Boston Globe reporting this.


2 posted on 12/27/2006 5:50:53 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Kimberly GG

Relax, it's the Boston Globe spinning.

Start with the first false statement: "The armed forces, already struggling to meet recruiting goals..."


3 posted on 12/27/2006 5:51:52 AM PST by pissant
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To: Kimberly GG
12/26/2006
4 posted on 12/27/2006 5:52:52 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: pissant
Start with the first false statement: "The armed forces, already struggling to meet recruiting goals..."

That's not a false statement. When you need to up the maximum enlistment age into the 40s, and offer tax free bonuses in the tens of thousands of dollars in order to break even, that's a struggle. Go talk to any Army recruiter and ask how much pressure he's under to make mission.

The fact that we're considering foreign mercenaries only shows that the generals understand that they can't keep lowering standards and raising bonuses forever.

5 posted on 12/27/2006 5:59:20 AM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Steel Wolf

The fact that you believe the Boston Globe's version of things is distrubing.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060913-112353-8168r.htm


6 posted on 12/27/2006 6:03:16 AM PST by pissant
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To: Steel Wolf
The fact that we're considering foreign mercenaries

The fact that some folks insist on labelling as "mercenaries" those who are willing to serve in exchange for citizenship is disturbing.
7 posted on 12/27/2006 6:03:19 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Kimberly GG
Now there's a plan...unfreekingbelievable. How completely moronic has our leadership become.

You do realise that we have quite a few "foreigners" serving in our armed forces already, don't you?
8 posted on 12/27/2006 6:05:38 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Kimberly GG

The median age in the US is now 36.5 yo, and rising quickly.


9 posted on 12/27/2006 6:10:56 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Think :

The Romans recruited Gauls and Germans;

The French recruited the Foreign Legion;

The British recruited Ghurkas;

Sometimes you can't do it all alone; and history shows there's unusual about an 'empire' recruiting help to maintain the frontiers;


10 posted on 12/27/2006 6:12:35 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Kimberly GG

Many immigrants join for the fast-track to citizenship. It cuts the time requirement for citizenship from 7 years to 3 years.

I've served with people from Central and South America, one from Vietnam, had a soldier that was from Nigeria, went to basic with a guy from Iran, and Airborne school with one from Canada who quit their army to join ours. I also remember a story where a whole tank crew of immigrants (one was Scottish, I remember) were killed when their Abrams rolled into an Iraqi canal. Immigrants are nothing new to the U.S. Army.

Hey, if Americans are too spoiled to serve in our army, then why not take them from elsewhere? I'd rather have motivated volunteer immigrants than unmotivated native-born draftees.

IMO, if you are killed in combat, you, yoru spouse, and your next of kin should automatically recieve citizenship.

Sad thing is, it'd be the only government program where you'd have to learn English. Though, they already send non-English speakers to English classes before basic.


11 posted on 12/27/2006 6:15:10 AM PST by Lusis
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To: CondorFlight
Or I could just look around my office. The Gunnery Sergeant is a Mexican, the SKC is from St. Nevis, and the YNC was from Puerto Rico.

That makes me the only one of the four senior NCOs here to be "native-born".

Thanks for the newsflash Boston Globe.
12 posted on 12/27/2006 6:18:28 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Kimberly GG

No Saudis, please.


13 posted on 12/27/2006 6:23:22 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Kimberly GG
The military already does this to some extent. I went through basic at Ft. Benning along side quite a few foreigners from countries that would shock you given the nature of international politics and conflicts, and that was over 10 years ago.

I would never question the resolve of those guys I had trained with regardless of where they're from. This story? It's nothing, really. It's a very minor shift in policy that the Boston Globe expanded into something "shockingly new and controversial", as they love to do.
14 posted on 12/27/2006 6:32:12 AM PST by Hadean
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
The fact that some folks insist on labelling as "mercenaries" those who are willing to serve in exchange for citizenship is disturbing.

Let's be fair. If you grow up in Bangledesh, Indonesia, or Brazil, you're not joining the U.S. Army for the sake of patriotism. You're joining it because you want something. In this case, it would be a very wealthy lifestyle, complete with free healthcare for you and your dependents, and a good shot at U.S. citizenship. That's not 'highest bidder' mercenary, but it's not exactly selfless service, either.

I've worked with some members of foreign militaries, and discovered that not only did I make more a month than their commander, I made more than their entire unit. Combined. Any one of those guys would be thrilled to be a soldier for the U.S. Army. Now, a great many of these people may become fine Americans one day, but let's call a spade a spade. To a guy in downtown Manila or the streets of Bombay, joining the U.S. Army is like winning the lottery.

15 posted on 12/27/2006 6:36:09 AM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: armymarinemom; pissant

Point made. I did a search of 'military' in the title and found nothing posted since last month.

You're both negating the possibility of this because is written up in the Boston Globe?

Dollars to donuts this is EXACTLY what Bush has planned as the solution to his effort to increase the size of the military AND dollars to donuts he will be announcing it soon. Boston Globe may be a liberal rag, but they didn't pull this out of thin air. So I question, are you prepared for this and oppose it or prepared for it and applaud Bush, again?

Clever clever OBL...use the illegals to increase the size of our military and in doing so, validate their having entered and remained in this country illegally by fast tracking them to citizenship. And once again, disregard any THREAT this may post to NATIONAL SECURITY.

Encouraging illegal immigration and harboring illegal aliens is ILLEGAL. Just because someone decided it was a 'good' idea to allow them into the military previously, does NOT make it a good idea.


16 posted on 12/27/2006 6:40:37 AM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG

U.S.A. 1862-1865, it worked then.


17 posted on 12/27/2006 6:40:58 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Of course I am...not a good idea then, and certainly not one now. As far as I'm concerned, it's nothing buy a ploy that will fast track to citizenship, while continuing to ignore the threat is poses to our own national security. But then, coming from an Administration who refused to secure the border after 9/11, nothing surprises me, just makes me all the more determined.


18 posted on 12/27/2006 6:42:35 AM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Have you forgotten 9/11?


19 posted on 12/27/2006 6:44:43 AM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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Now there's a plan...unfreekingbelievable. How completely moronic has our leadership become.

The Union recruited foreigners during the Civil War.

20 posted on 12/27/2006 6:46:23 AM PST by aculeus
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