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Fined For Being Too Fast [UK punishes hospital because it didn't make patients wait]
sky.com ^ | August 02, 2006

Posted on 12/30/2006 2:02:44 PM PST by grundle

A hospital has lost nearly £2.5m worth of funding because it treated too many patients.

Nurses and doctors at Ipswich Hospital had done so well in meeting their waiting lists targets they breached an agreement on how soon people saw consultants.

Some patients were seen with a week rather than the agreed minimum 122 days.

Funding body East Suffolk Primary Care Trusts had introduced the limit to manage demand.

It decided the extra work was too costly and refused to pay the £2.5m bill - Ipswich Hospital is already £16m in the red.

A hospital spokeswoman described the episode as a "local glitch" and said it had no significant implications for hospitals nationally or for NHS funding.

She explained the arrangement was thought to be the best way to ensure no one jumped queues and everyone was waiting a similar length of time.

The spokeswoman said: "We made the agreement on the waiting times since it was thought to be the best way of ensuring that patients were seen on a first come, first served basis and that waiting times were equalised.

"In a number of cases we had breached the agreement - for understandable reasons, because we had spare capacity - and treated patients too quickly."

She said the hospital was working to ensure there are no further mistakes, adding: "The money will still come from the taxpayer - but from one purse not another."

Trust chief executive Carole Taylor-Brown told The Daily Telegraph: "It would be great if we were fully resourced to do everything. But we are given a certain amount for the year."

The Government wants patients to wait no longer than six months before seeing a consultant.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: healthcare; socializedmedicine; uk
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1 posted on 12/30/2006 2:02:46 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

"Hillary Care" coming to a hospital near you!


2 posted on 12/30/2006 2:04:58 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: grundle

What's in store for our horse-piddles if we ever get Hellery Health Care.


3 posted on 12/30/2006 2:05:04 PM PST by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: grundle

Ill continue to pay for my own healthcare..


4 posted on 12/30/2006 2:05:07 PM PST by cardinal4 (Ding Dong the Witch is Dead)
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To: grundle

The UK is even more screwed up than us.

I would imagine Ipswich Hospital is in the red because of indigent Muslims (as opposed to indigent illegals).


5 posted on 12/30/2006 2:05:37 PM PST by BW2221
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To: G Larry

The American health care system is far from perfect, but at least we haven't sunk to this level.


6 posted on 12/30/2006 2:11:09 PM PST by Clintonfatigued ("Appointing Earl Warren was the biggest damn fool thing I ever did." Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: Clintonfatigued

My point is that it WILL get this bad in the U.S. if Hillary has her way.


7 posted on 12/30/2006 2:15:09 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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Some patients were seen with a week rather than the agreed minimum 122 days.

Funding body East Suffolk Primary Care Trusts had introduced the limit to manage demand.

No, you idiots. That's managing/limiting the supply. The demand is still there; it's just not being met. (And undoubtedly, patients are suffering, probably dying, because of that.)
8 posted on 12/30/2006 2:17:32 PM PST by Bob
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To: grundle
"Some patients were seen with a week rather than the agreed minimum 122 days."

122 days that's 4 months!!!!!!!!

9 posted on 12/30/2006 2:17:35 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: grundle
Hmm...note to self: when in the UK do not contract anything that'll killya in 121 days.
10 posted on 12/30/2006 2:19:31 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: holyscroller

"What's in store for our horse-piddles if we ever get Hellery Health Care."


Yes, indeed and the Dems are working on that.


Children Take Forefront of Health-Care Plan. (Democrats push towareds universal healthcare)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1760375/posts


For Democrats, covering these youngsters has obvious appeal. It would allow lawmakers to champion solutions to problems of people who they say have been a low priority for Republicans. It also would be a step toward universal health coverage, an old and elusive goal of many in the party.


11 posted on 12/30/2006 2:20:15 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: G Larry

I tell people that if you like the service you get at the DMV, you're going to love socialized medicine.


12 posted on 12/30/2006 2:21:13 PM PST by tje
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To: grundle

Vermont's socialized medicine works much the same way. My sister in law had to wait nine months for a back operation (while being kept on morphine) and three months for hip replacement, after falling off her horse again. For three months she was given a walker and more drugs until they could get around to fixing the broken hip. She is only 48 and should have had pins put in the hip, instead of a whole replacement because she is too young to be given a replacement that only lasts ten to fifteen years.


13 posted on 12/30/2006 2:25:05 PM PST by Eva
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To: FairOpinion
"Some patients were seen with a week rather than the agreed minimum 122 days."

122 days that's 4 months!!!!!!!!

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And that's the minimum!

14 posted on 12/30/2006 2:26:09 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: grundle

Reads like a story from The Onion.

Orwell lives.


15 posted on 12/30/2006 2:27:17 PM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: grundle

Mark Stein mentions a case in British Columbia of a woman who was expecting twins and went to the hospital when her contractions were four minutes apart, only to be told that they had no bed for her. They did a bed search on their computer and found that there were no hospital beds available any where in British Columbia, but they could fly her to Edmonton to have her babies, which they did.


16 posted on 12/30/2006 2:27:36 PM PST by Eva
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To: grundle
This is just mind-blowing. Are they so deep into socialism that even the wait for medical care must be equalized? Now that's what I call fairness; everyone waits 4 months to see the doctor. We can't decide on who is more urgent or who has the money to pay for care, we must ensure that every privileged person waits exactly the same time as a poor Pakistani immigrant.

Instead of ensuring British-quality medicine for all, they have ensured Pakistani-quality medicine for all. Albion akbar!

17 posted on 12/30/2006 2:28:26 PM PST by Sender ("How do you know what the fish think? You're not a fish." -Hui Zi)
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To: Sender
"We can't decide on who is more urgent or who has the money to pay for care, we must ensure that every privileged person waits exactly the same time as a poor Pakistani immigrant."

This is incorrect. If someone wants to pay for private healthcare, or for health insurance to cover it, then they are free to do so. Contrary to what you may believe the UK is actually not a Soviet state....

18 posted on 12/30/2006 2:32:02 PM PST by Canard
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To: G Larry

Lest we forget


19 posted on 12/30/2006 2:35:27 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: grundle; thegreatprion

Bookmarked - great post!

thegreatprion: this is a must read!


20 posted on 12/30/2006 2:36:28 PM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Now accepting tagline donations.)
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To: tje

Socialized Medicine:

The efficiency of the Post Office

The flexibility of the IRS and

The warmth and compassion of the DMV


21 posted on 12/30/2006 2:39:52 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: grundle
this is scrappleface material
22 posted on 12/30/2006 2:43:56 PM PST by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: grundle

This sounds like something from the Onion. It can't be true. Can it?


23 posted on 12/30/2006 2:48:15 PM PST by Will_Kansas
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To: grundle

self-ping


24 posted on 12/30/2006 2:48:38 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Show them no mercy, for you shall receive none!)
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To: stylin19a

I had to check first to make sure it wasn't Scrappleface.. It is so absurd it borders on insane...


25 posted on 12/30/2006 2:48:42 PM PST by tje
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To: grundle

Obstetrics only have to wait ten months.


26 posted on 12/30/2006 2:49:35 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Kozak

I think that's in it in a nutshell...


27 posted on 12/30/2006 2:49:38 PM PST by tje
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To: grundle

If you like the way the government delivers your mail. you'll LOVE the way they deliver your healthcare.

I work the Fast Track in the local Emergency Department. Our goal is to get non-emergent cases treated and streeted in less than an hour. My personal best is 12 minutes. This is IN SPITE of all of the forms the government requires.


28 posted on 12/30/2006 2:49:42 PM PST by 43north (7 of 11 living things are insects. This explains liberals and islamofascists.)
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To: grundle

Use the search feature before you post and article from last summer. This is old news that has been well wrung out on FR.


29 posted on 12/30/2006 2:49:53 PM PST by em2vn
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To: grundle
This is hilarious

Unfortunately it is coming to a hospital near you, if the Lib's get their way and Clinton care becomes a reality.

LOL! Better than Canada I suppose.....LOL.....Bwahahahahahaha!

30 posted on 12/30/2006 2:52:39 PM PST by Cold Heat ("Ward!.........Go easy on the beaver"!)
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To: grundle
My neighbor is an Irish national. Recently her mother (mid-50's) back in Ireland had to wait something like 18 months to have an angioplasty. The woman had already suffered two heart attacks, but the cardiologist told her she didn't qualify to be moved further up "the list."

People who support socialized health care really musn't have the first damn clue.

31 posted on 12/30/2006 2:52:39 PM PST by workerbee (Democrats are a waste of tax money and good oxygen.)
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To: em2vn; grundle
Use the search feature before you post and article from last summer. This is old news that has been well wrung out on FR.

There is the little matter of the 24 hour rule, em2vn, or dont' you know that one. If an article was posted more than 24 hours ago it is fair game to post it again. Lots of people had not seen the original article, and I am sure that the BS that caused this article to be printed(the waiting time for patients)is still in effect and just as viable today as it was last year. All of you self appointed posting police need to get a life. Don't want to read this thread? Don't click on it. That's easy enough isn't it?

32 posted on 12/30/2006 3:01:23 PM PST by calex59
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To: grundle
The Government wants patients to wait no longer than six months before seeing a consultant.

It true, the Queen's phalange was
stuck up her nose for 6 months
before seeing a consultant.

__________________________

This man waited 6 months
and this growth covered his back.

__________________________

English Health Care Will
Come to America Someday.


33 posted on 12/30/2006 3:02:39 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: grundle

I wonder how many leftists also think that Saddam was executed way too quickly? Most leftist are against all forms of executions for everyone in the world who is sentenced to death. Why can't executions move just as fast over here in the U.S.? The A.C.L.U. among all of the other leftist groups are a real pain in the rear! Political correctness all over the world makes all world politics very goofy!


34 posted on 12/30/2006 3:16:12 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: cardinal4
Ill continue to pay for my own healthcare..

You won't be able to pay out-of-pocket for any care... if medicine goes socialized nationally. Some of the excerpts of the Hillarycare papers implied you would be restricted to a "district" and could be fined/imprisoned for going outside said "district" for healthcare without prior government approval.

35 posted on 12/30/2006 3:19:13 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Eva

Sounds like she should stay off the horse;)


36 posted on 12/30/2006 3:34:44 PM PST by brooklin
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To: brooklin

You give her too much credit. Any normal person would have given up the horse after the back injury. What do you expect from someone who depends on Vermont socialized medicine?


37 posted on 12/30/2006 3:39:12 PM PST by Eva
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To: grundle
The Government wants patients to wait no longer than six months before seeing a consultant.

Sloppy editing. Based on the rest of the story, I'll fix it.

The Government wants patients to wait no longer than six less than four months before seeing a consultant.

38 posted on 12/30/2006 3:45:22 PM PST by PAR35
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To: em2vn

I did search for "Fined For Being Too Fast" before I posted. There was no other thread with that title.


39 posted on 12/30/2006 4:24:55 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Bomkers.


40 posted on 12/30/2006 5:15:45 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: grundle
I just read on the Internet the average wait for hip replacement surgery in England is 2 years.

That's certainly what we need in the U.S.

41 posted on 12/30/2006 6:10:35 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: grundle

Typical Brits. They can't get anything right. We beat them in two wars; had to save their asses in two other wars; they talk funny, and they like soccer. What do you expect?


42 posted on 12/30/2006 6:11:16 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: grundle

Sounds like they need to create more beauracracy to bring the wait time back up to "the agreed minimum 122 days". That should bring the cost and quality of health care at that facility back to the socialiast/communist norm. I heard that Cuba, the premier healthcare center of the world, brought in more Spanish doctors and medicine today for Castro, 12/30/2006. Oh yeah, "Clinton 2008!" /s


43 posted on 12/30/2006 6:21:23 PM PST by theymakemesick (Under sharia law, bacon will be illegal in Americistan, reason enough to keep islam out of America)
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To: grundle

I know the socialized medicine of Europe really sucks, but this is so far out there that I'm wondering if it's satire?

MM


44 posted on 12/30/2006 8:03:57 PM PST by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: Canard

Please don't get me wrong, I really love the UK. It's where all my ancestry came from. But from the news articles I read, I have to wonder if Lenin's Tomb has found a new custodian. Perhaps it's media bias, or perhaps the English are undergoing temporary insanity. It's not just one thing; we have coddling of the beheaders, pointy knife amnesty, universal healthcare (that must wait exactly 122 days), and then there's Prince Charles and Red Ken. Also signs in 37 languages, everything except English. One must wonder.


45 posted on 12/30/2006 8:30:19 PM PST by Sender ("How do you know what the fish think? You're not a fish." -Hui Zi)
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To: grundle
How fast do the Civil Servants (Masters) get seen and treated?
46 posted on 12/30/2006 10:55:06 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: backhoe

This certainly qualifies for the Hillary Archives Opposition Research Thread, don't you think?


47 posted on 12/31/2006 8:26:26 AM PST by Pagey (The Clintons ARE the true definition of the word WRETCHED!)
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To: Pagey
This certainly qualifies for the Hillary Archives Opposition Research Thread, don't you think?

Yes, thanks. Happy New Year.

48 posted on 12/31/2006 1:27:15 PM PST by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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To: LaineyDee
"You won't be able to pay out-of-pocket for any care... if medicine goes socialized nationally. Some of the excerpts of the Hillarycare papers implied you would be restricted to a "district" and could be fined/imprisoned for going outside said "district" for healthcare without prior government approval."

It doesn't get much scarier than that ... I sure am thrilled to live in a country where my fellow citizens taught pub pols a lesson because they weren't pure enough and instead wound up making this kind of thing more and more likely.

One more time - you take the best you can get and keep hammering on them instead of taking the worst available who will totally ignore your hammering.

49 posted on 12/31/2006 1:34:14 PM PST by Let's Roll ("...given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
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To: LaineyDee

#49 not meant for you, Lainey.


50 posted on 12/31/2006 1:35:31 PM PST by Let's Roll ("...given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
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