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The Balkan Islamic Jihad: A Pan-European calamity
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/michaletos/007.shtml ^

Posted on 12/31/2006 9:33:43 AM PST by kronos77

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To: Hoplite

["No worries - the Serbs had work arounds: Biljana Plavsic declared Bosnian Muslims to be "genetically deformed" Serbs, the Bosnian Serb assembly declared Muslims to be a "Religious Group of Turkish Orientation", and Ratko Mladic, upon seizing Srebrenica declared it was time to take revenge upon the "Turks".

But you are correct, I should have said "failed pseudo race war in Bosnia"."]


Geeescz. You're making your disgust and disdain of Serbs very clear to me.



61 posted on 01/05/2007 1:42:05 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Hoplite

"No worries - the Serbs had work arounds"--

..As did the muslims and their leadership:

"There can be no peace or coexistence between Islamic faith and non-Islamic faith political institutions... The Islamic movement must and can take place as soon as it is morally and numerically strong enough, not only to destroy the non-Islamic one, but to build up a new Islamic one."
--
Mr. Izetbegovic's Islamic Declaration

..and thanks to those you and his supporters, Mr. Izetbegovic's dreams are coming true. Nice work....sleep well.


62 posted on 01/08/2007 4:40:00 PM PST by Celebratelife008
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To: Celebratelife008
Ever read the full "Declaration"?

Of course not - actually having a clue as to what you're talking about, rather than repeating what's been spoon fed to you like a good little parrot is too much of a chore. Izetbegovic specifically rejects violence as a means of establishing his pie-in-the-sky Islamic superstate, but you'll never read about that if you confine yourself to reading the tract as excerpted by the Serbs and their friends.

The Christians were a plurality in Bosnia in 1992, and they still are today, hence, Bosnia was and is not a candidate for "The Islamic order" per the "Declaration" itself.

Your cluelessness would induce shame, were you were only capable of understanding it.

However, since that's not the case, consider the following: after 7 years of a Republican administration the Bosnian Serbs are still right where they were in 1995, stifled in their aims and slowly having their little monoethnic abortion of a statelet snuffed out by the United States and our European allies.

Now go find a Serb shoulder to cry upon and bother me no more with your ignorant drivel.

63 posted on 01/08/2007 7:07:52 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

...spoon fed, me? look in the mirror hopalong. I've read enough of your posts to know you self-project when you attempt to insult.
Sleep well.


64 posted on 01/09/2007 8:41:00 AM PST by Celebratelife008
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To: Celebratelife008
Hoplite --- as he shamelessly calls himself - is generally clueless about balkan affairs and history.

Itzebegovic - Nazi and then islamic whose fervent wish as to establish sharia in Europe- Hasan Cengic - socialist and then islamic who just love Iranians and Iranian arms to be used against Christians...the whole scum is there and unfortunately the Clintonistas supported them,
65 posted on 01/09/2007 10:03:26 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: eleni121

Izetbegovic was such a pacifist that he reneged on the Lisbon agreement and welcomed the mujihdeen to Bosnia. Maybe that is what muslim 'pacifists' do.


66 posted on 01/10/2007 11:32:55 AM PST by Celebratelife008
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To: Celebratelife008
he reneged on the Lisbon agreement

Sigh.

In the Summer, after the Serbs started murdering, raping, and ethnically cleansing their way through Bosnia in April.

Oh, wait.

I'm projecting my ignorance onto you again, aren't I?

67 posted on 01/10/2007 12:45:31 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Celebratelife008

“there can be no peace or coexistence between the ‘Islamic faith’ and non-Islamic societies and political institutions.”

Who said that? Usama BL? Nope----that was Hoppie's friend and mentor and Nazi buddy Izebegovitch.

When was that call to Jihad reprinted? 1990 long before hostilities broke out.



68 posted on 01/10/2007 2:45:13 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: Hoplite

you project your ignorance on everyone here. The Lisbon agreement was signed on March 18th 1992. Zimmerman went to Sarajevo on the 28 March 1992---the same day that Izzie recinded his signature. March is the spring hopalong. Not the summer. Sleep well.


69 posted on 01/11/2007 4:14:45 PM PST by Celebratelife008
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To: Celebratelife008
After several rounds of talks our "principles for future constitutional arrangements for Bosnia and Hercegovina" were agreed by all three parties (Muslim, Serb and Croat) in Sarajevo on March 18th 1992) as the basis for future negotiations. These continued, maps and all, until the summer, when the Muslims reneged on the agreement. Had they not done so, the Bosnian question might have been settled earlier, with less loss of (mainly Muslim) life and land. To be fair, President Izetbegovic and his aides were encouraged to scupper that deal and to fight for a unitary Bosnian state by well-meaning outsiders who thought they knew better.
Jose Cutiliero, letter to The Economist, 1995.

Further, Burg and Shoup covered the issue in some depth in "The War in Bosnia-Herzegovina: Ethnic Conflict and International Intervention". The only thing agreed to was a framework with which to solve Bosnia's interethnic issues, but the Serbs' transition to military force to settle the issue rendered continued negotiations moot.

In short, not only do you possess embarrassingly little information, but that which you do cling to so tenaciously is demonstrably wrong.

Work on that, m'kay?

70 posted on 01/11/2007 4:49:41 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Celebratelife008
Well, actually,"Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs" are not a race. Tribes, ethnic groups, but not a race.
71 posted on 01/11/2007 4:55:08 PM PST by alarm rider (Fear of Hillary is the distinguishing feature of the average and even well educated conservative.)
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To: Hoplite

...ahhh--parsing dates...they thought they had an agreement and he reneged...in March. That is the poin---and the muslim declared themselves independent when? That would be April. And you claim his renegging was due to the militarization of the Serbs...lololol...right. Love the way you propagandists pass off lies as truth.
Your point that izzy was a 'peaceful man'--a muslim who wrote of and islamic state by 'peaceful means' is as genuine as clinton's honesty---and yours as well. None there. Sleep well.


72 posted on 01/12/2007 3:45:30 PM PST by Celebratelife008
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To: Celebratelife008
they thought they had an agreement and he reneged...in March

Don't read too well, do ya?

73 posted on 01/12/2007 4:19:32 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
["Jose Cutiliero, letter to The Economist, 1995."]

I would like to think that you could do better a job insofar as defending your argument(s) by using something other than a letter to the editor (to the "Economist").

I enjoy reading "The Economist", but I always read it in terms of the editors and writers perspectives' - usually a "liberal" point of view.
74 posted on 01/12/2007 8:48:57 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
It speaks directly to the issue of when the Bosnian Muslims gave up on the EC's negotiations, and is from the individual whom those negotiations were named after, seeing as how he chaired them for the EC.

But yeah, seeing as how it flies in the face of one of the Serb's cherished myths regarding Bosnia, go ahead and ignore it.

75 posted on 01/12/2007 9:27:18 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; tgambill; Wraith
i've read his "Islamic Declaration" and he advocates the Islamic Rule approach. The muslims can neither be ruled nor co-exist with neigbhors that are not of Islamic faith. That means neighboring Croatia, Serbian Krajina, Macedonia and Serbia (Sandjak - Central Serbia - Southern Serbia) need to be brougt into the fold of Islamic yoke.

What does that translate into? Slovenia, Austria etc... need to be brought to their infidel knees. France is being brought to their knees as Germany is next. Britian is fighting it and with supporters of Islamic rule by the likes of you, we are near that stage.

Your agenda is twisted, short-sighted and will crumble this country if brought to existance and power.

76 posted on 01/12/2007 9:29:13 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: Hoplite
Conditions were pre-set in the known commodity, the muslims had all intentions to go back on their signature. Incidents were planned, coordinated, rehearsed then acted upon to spark retaliatory strikes.

You only highlight the publicized and of course, the well-documented media storylines. We all know that politicians and the media have their hidden agenda and doublt-speak to what happened on the ground. You just ballyhoo the public talk, unless you are that gullible and believe the media hype.

Don't believe everything your former DC/beltway daddy tells you. You dad can't give out the real info as you don't have TSC and if he did give out, he'll be in trouble as you. Has he?

77 posted on 01/12/2007 9:37:22 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: Hoplite; tgambill; Wraith; joan; Bokababe; DTA; getoffmylawn; Red6
tell you what bucko, when i'm home in a cpl of months if i dont get extended, we can compare your and my copy of Izzies "Islamic Declaration".

Are their two versions of it we don't know about? Mine was directly from BiH, where did you get yours, Barnes and Noble/Borders?

78 posted on 01/12/2007 10:05:52 PM PST by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: ma bell
["Are their two versions of it we don't know about? Mine was directly from BiH, where did you get yours, Barnes and Noble/Borders?"]

Ma Bell, so glad to hear from you. Hope all is well at your end. :-)

Ljubivoje
79 posted on 01/12/2007 10:43:26 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: ma bell

What are you saying that involves me?</p>


80 posted on 01/12/2007 10:45:29 PM PST by Red6 (Come and get it.)
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