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The Balkan Islamic Jihad: A Pan-European calamity
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/michaletos/007.shtml ^

Posted on 12/31/2006 9:33:43 AM PST by kronos77

After the 9/11, a worldwide “War on terror” begun in order to disband and neutralize Islamic terrorist networks across the globe. The main focus of the largest anti-terrorist campaign in history is focused in the Middle East area, as well as in Afghanistan. The Balkan Peninsula is the European area where this campaign has also taken place, with numerous arrests and a continuous effort into riding the fundamentalist out of the area. The question arising though, is how did the extremists gain a foothold in South Eastern Europe in the first place, and what was the reaction of the international community over the previous years.

So, the outbreak of the civil war in Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1992 presented an unparalleled opportunity for the international Mujaheedin to storm Europe, establish safe havens in the area and thus initiate re-conquest of regions they previously ruled. The leader of Bosnia, Alia Izebegovic was eager to obtain as much assistance as possible and didn’t hesitate in providing the necessary framework by which the Islamic ties were forged. In the same year, a variety of Islamic mercenaries flocked into the Balkans in order to support the “Holy cause”, meaning the establishment of the first Islamic state in Europe. The end of the war in 1995 saw quite a few of those mujahedin, acquiring Bosnian citizenship and establishing the first Islamic community in the village of Bocinja Donja.

"Ethnic Bosnian Muslim commander talks about Jihadist determination to kill "enemies of Allah" just before the attack on Pocjelovo. "It is a Jihad... and with even greater spark to kill Allah's enemies because today they are strong and pronounced as they have never been before"

video: http://www.serbianna.com/columns/michaletos/007_files/pocjelovo.rm

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; bosnia; dhimmwit; ihoppy; islam; islamofascism; jihad; mindlessdhimmi; pancakeboy; serballiesinwot; serbia; serbianna; toothlessdhimmi; waronterror
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1 posted on 12/31/2006 9:33:45 AM PST by kronos77
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/michaletos/007_files/pocjelovo.rm

video:

Ethnic Bosnian Muslim commander talks about Jihadist determination to kill "enemies of Allah" just before the attack on Pocjelovo. "It is a Jihad... and with even greater spark to kill Allah's enemies because today they are strong and pronounced as they have never been before."


2 posted on 12/31/2006 9:35:02 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: Hoplite

Happy new year Hoppy!


3 posted on 12/31/2006 9:36:33 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

Apparently Milosiveck (sp?) knew what was needed to protect his people. Too bad the PC crowd interfered.


4 posted on 12/31/2006 9:39:05 AM PST by BW2221
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To: kronos77

These savages are like a bad smell, seeping in everywhere and using the idiots on the left- here and elsewhere- against us.

WAKE UP people before you, and we all, join the ranks of the dhimmi.


5 posted on 12/31/2006 9:39:07 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: kronos77
"The Balkan Peninsula is the European area where this campaign has also taken place, with numerous arrests and a continuous effort into riding the fundamentalist out of the area."

It would never have taken hold weren't it not for CLINTON who BOMBED THE WRONG SIDE! Thanks Bill Clinton. Perhaps if you weren't so busy pulling your wire in the whitehouse bathroom, you'd have taken the time to figure out what was really going on in the world, instead of acting unilateraly and bombing the innocent while the Islamic terrorists laughed.

6 posted on 12/31/2006 9:39:22 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Cacique

btt


7 posted on 12/31/2006 10:12:31 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: kronos77
Happy new year Hoppy!

Depends upon how well the Radicals do in January.

If they win, you lose: both Kosovo, and the time it takes to unf*ck the mess they'll make of Serbia while in power.

If they lose, you just lose Kosovo.

Your choice.

At any rate, whatever you do, don't stop spamming Freerepublic with your habitual revisionist Serbian propaganda about their failed race war in Bosnia - without it we'd never make any sense of all those American troops we've lost in the Balkans to the jihadists.

8 posted on 12/31/2006 10:31:18 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; All

Interesting point of view.
Wrong, dissconected from reality, but interesing.

And anwser to the question why no US soldier was killed by Jihadist on Balkan is simple:

US runned pro-muslim policy, with BJ Clintoon and his aid Weesley Clark using US soldiers as spearhead of Clintonista/Islamist interests on Balkans... and worldwide...


9 posted on 12/31/2006 10:52:39 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77
Wrong, dissconected from reality, but interesing.

Here's the reality, sport:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.
Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, World Islamic Front Statement. Osama Bin Laden et al., 2/23/98

The key is not to try and change reality to fit your views, but to conform your views to reality.

Simply put, Serbian rhetoric in regards to jihadist activity in the Balkans is useless for anything other than confusing the ignorant and comforting die-hard Serb nationalists in their delusions.

10 posted on 12/31/2006 11:49:44 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: kronos77

The Islamic Jihad is an ever present event in the Balkans, it's been happening for the past hundred of years. Their last success was the destruction of Constantinople.


11 posted on 12/31/2006 12:15:10 PM PST by rxgalfl
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To: Nathan Zachary
It would never have taken hold weren't it not for CLINTON who BOMBED THE WRONG SIDE!

At least one A-10 pilot knew who the real enemy was!

"Earlier, reporters watched a NATO A-10 jet drop a bomb in the hills just over the Albanian side of the border crossing at Morini." ( I remember watching while this was happening! My immediate reaction was that we were bombing Albania!)

"In that attack, an Albanian army officer told The Associated Press that NATO destroyed government bunkers by mistake." ( So he says! )

"Huge craters, the work of NATO planes, dotted the landscape along the border, CNN's Martin Savidge reported from the scene, along with bomb fragments bearing English inscriptions..." source


"Busted" Albanian Bunker

12 posted on 12/31/2006 1:32:46 PM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: BW2221

Milosevic aided Saddam

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,3847139-103558,00.html


13 posted on 12/31/2006 2:10:03 PM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: Milligan

Brits were ahead of the learning curve....Saddam gave oil to Milosevic too.....

They were good friends.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1999/03/28/wkosa128.html


14 posted on 12/31/2006 2:13:41 PM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: kronos77

He calls himself Hoppy but is really just a Helot - a helot for the muslims. These guys can be unmasked in every historical era - Ephialtes for the Spartan Greeks, those who accepted the mohamedan cult betraying their own, 4th crusaders, weasely clark and his KLA palis, ad nauseum.

Did you notice how how postings are just gibberish...


15 posted on 12/31/2006 2:14:37 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: Milligan

True.
Clinton barred Serbia to by oil from legitimate sellers and Serbia was forced to go to tyrant bastard to buy oil.
just to compare:

If authoprities dissable you to by food from stores, malls etc, you will be forced to buy it on black market from thugs that you in normal circumstances despise.

P.S.
Why USA is buying oil from Saudi Arabia, when Saudis are major exporters of islamism/wehabbism in Europe and source of instabillity in region?


16 posted on 12/31/2006 2:51:07 PM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: Milligan

They were good friends.

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I saw photo of Donnald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Husein back in the 80es...

Yugoslavia and USA were supporting Saddams regime in 80es against Iran...

Alliances are strage liasons...


17 posted on 12/31/2006 2:52:40 PM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: eleni121

Newer he have valide links or evidences. Lately he went simpley offending people..

Oh, By the way. Happy New Year!!!!!
(In Serbia is 6 minutes to midnight, Im off to serious party!!!)


18 posted on 12/31/2006 2:54:47 PM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

"I saw photo of Donnald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Husein back in the 80es..."

Oh, please show me the picture! Is that the one with Rummy and Saddam for a 90 minute diplomatic chat?

What did they discuss at that 90 Minute Chit Chat and Grip and Grin Photo? I'm sure Rummy spent quarter of that time trying to pass through security before he shook hands with Saddam.

Meeting time: 65 minutes and 3 seconds to finally sit down and talk face to face.

Big deal! I'm sure Jacque Chirac has more minutes and photos built up with Saddam even with security clearing the meetings.

"Yugoslavia and USA were supporting Saddams regime in 80es against Iran..."

You mean Tito's Yugoslavia. I guess that means we supported Tito's Regime?




19 posted on 12/31/2006 3:36:45 PM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: kronos77

"Why USA is buying oil from Saudi Arabia, when Saudis are major exporters of islamism/wehabbism in Europe and source of instabillity in region?"

I don't know? Oil speaks louder than Wabbabbism?
The Royal Saudi Family are afraid of the Islamic nuts who might assassinate them because they're not pure enough.

The Saudis don't have a real military. US is there to protect their interest.


20 posted on 12/31/2006 3:45:20 PM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: Milligan

Yes, USA supported Tito`s Regime.
from 1952-1959 Yugoslavia was member of Balkan Pact Yugoslavia-Greece-Turkey against USSR.
All of Yugoslav airbasess were built according to NATO standards (than), and camuflage of Yugoslav AF was made according to NATO paint scheme. All Yugoslav-made jets were armed by US-made missiles (AGM-65B Maverick)

During Iraq-Iran war Yugoslavia sold $30 bn to Iraq, with US blessing.

And the anwser about ties with Sadam you gave yourself.
"Oil speaks louder than hatenance toward dictator".
Serbia was forced to buy oil from Saddam and Khaddafi, for simple reason- we couldn buy it anywhere else, cause Clinton barred us to.


21 posted on 01/01/2007 1:25:25 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: Milligan

We are training their Military....SANG, advised by OPM-SANG. I was one of the security specialist tasked with providing security for their facilities after 1996 for three years. Also worked for Vinnell that trains the Saudi national Guard......what protects the Royal Family. Different and "separate" from MODA and MOI.....by mission and tribes even.......


22 posted on 01/01/2007 2:04:53 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: kronos77

They were shaking hands especially after we profited from the sale of Biologicals and Chemical weapons......


23 posted on 01/01/2007 2:06:47 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Bokababe; joan; montyspython; DTA; getoffmylawn; ma bell; Beckwith; Southside_Chicago_Republican; ..

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1213-02.htm



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/11/08/EDG6PKE1EG1.DTL



http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/library/wonderful/iraq.php





for example.......



More than simply helping Iraq unleash chemical and biological weapons against Iran, the US got even more involved, as William Blum wrote in 1998:

According to a 1994 Senate report, private American suppliers, licensed by the U.S. Department of Commerce, exported a witch's brew of biological and chemical materials to Iraq from 1985 through 1989. Among the biological materials, which often produce slow, agonizing death, were:

• Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax.
• Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin.
• Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord, and heart.
• Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs.
• Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness.
• Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance.

Also on the list: Escherichia coli (E. coli), genetic materials, human and bacterial DNA, and dozens of other pathogenic biological agents. "These biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction," the Senate report stated. "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program."

The report noted further that U.S. exports to Iraq included the precursors to chemical-warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities, and chemical-warhead filling equipment.

The exports continued to at least November 28, 1989, despite evidence that Iraq was engaging in chemical and biological warfare against Iranians and Kurds since as early as 1984.

Helping to arm a country engaged in a bloody war is fun, but getting your hands dirty yourself is even better. National Security Council staff member Teicher revealed that President Reagan and Vice President Bush did just this, directly involving themselves in the advising of Iraq.

For example, in 1986, President Reagan sent a secret message to Saddam Hussein telling him that Iraq should step up its air war and bombing of Iran. This message was delivered by Vice President Bush who communicated it to Egyptian President Mubarak, who in turn passed the message to Saddam Hussein. Similar strategic operational military advice was passed to Saddam Hussein through various meetings with European and Middle Eastern heads of state. I authored Bush's talking points for the 1986 meeting with Mubarak and personally attended numerous meetings with European and Middle East heads of state where the strategic operational advice was communicated.

While most of the arms and machinery America helped Saddam Hussein get his hands on came through intermediary countries, many others were direct from the US. Among them were more than 100 helicopters (some of which, the Los Angeles Times reported, were used in gassing the Kurds in 1988). William Blum also reports that: "U.S. companies sold Iraq more than $1 billion worth of the components needed to build nuclear weapons and diverse types of missiles, including the infamous Scud."

After the gassing of the Kurds came to light, the United States Senate unanimously passed sanctions against Iraq to cut off their line to US technology. The move was squashed by the White House, and among other internal reason given, declassified documents show that such sanctions would hinder American companies receiving "massive post-war reconstruction" contracts.

Indeed, the bulk of Iraq’s war machinery came from countries other than the United States, but they still came with the US seal of approval, and in many cases, direct US involvement. Teicher reported on this, too, in his ’95 affidavit:

"I personally attended meetings in which CIA Director Casey or CIA Deputy Director Gates noted the need for Iraq to have certain weapons such as cluster bombs and anti-armor penetrators in order to stave off the Iranian attacks. When I joined the NSC staff in early 1982, CIA Director Casey was adamant that cluster bombs were a perfect "force multiplier" that would allow the Iraqis to defend against the "human waves" of Iranian attackers. I recorded those comments in the minutes of National Security Planning Group ("NSPG") meetings in which Casey or Gates participated.

The CIA, including both CIA Director Casey and Deputy Director Gates, knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of non-U.S. origin military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to Iraq. My notes, memoranda and other documents in my NSC files show or tend to show that the CIA knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of non-U.S. origin military weapons, munitions and vehicles to Iraq."

In 1989, George H. W. Bush took office as President of the United States. His policy on Iraq, not surprisingly, followed directly in the steps of Reagan’s:

The Bush administration became a particular focus of criticism because it followed its predecessor in making strengthened U.S.-Iraq relations a key objective, despite the fact that the end of the Iran-Iraq war had eliminated a major rationale for this goal. A transition paper prepared for the new presidency outlined the conflicts that characterized U.S. policy toward Iraq. The paper recommended assigning high priority to U.S.-Iraq relations because of Saddam Hussein’s potential as a "major player," but reviewed persistent divisive issues, including Iraq’s chemical weapons use which "aroused great emotions" in the U.S., and its "abominable human rights record." These negative factors were contrasted with Iraq’s value as a market and its potential as a trading partner, and wit the fact that it shared an interest with the U.S. in containing Iran. The paper recommended that the new administration should begin with a high-level message calling for further development of political and economic relations.8

Secretary of State James Baker personally intervened to promote strong ties with Baghdad. A briefing paper prepared for a March 1989 meeting between Baker and Iraqi Foreign Ministry Under Secretary Nizar Hamdoon discussed Iraq’s active involvement in chemical and biological warfare and missile programs, and recommended stressing the sensitivity of Iraq’s chemical weapons use for U.S.-Iraq relations.9 Hamdoom and Baker discussed Iraq’s wish for medium-term Eximbank export credit guarantees, and Baker assured him that he would take a personal interest in the question. (The State Department later warned Baker that moving forward with the credits would be problematic, given strong congressional opposition to Iraq’s recent chemical weapons use.)10 In June, Baker wrote to Secretary of Agriculture Clayton Yeutter to ask him to increase the size of the CCC’s GSM-102 program by $1 billion, to solve a problem "that has consequences for both U.S. foreign policy and agricultural exports."11 Soon thereafter, the Agriculture Department informed the National Advisory Council on International Monetary and Financial Policies (NAC), an interagency group responsible for approving economic programs involving foreign countries, that Agriculture planned to offer Iraq $1 billion in export credit guarantees for FY 1990.

Eximbank guarantees were provided through the Atlanta branch of the Italian Banca Nazionale del Lavoro:

Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, relying partially on U.S. taxpayer-guaranteed loans, funnelled $5 billion to Iraq from 1985 to 1989. Some government-backed loans were supposed to be for agricultural purposes, but were used to facilitate the purchase of stronger stuff than wheat. Federal Reserve and Agriculture department memos warned of suspected abuses by Iraq, which apparently took advantage of the loans to free up funds for munitions. U.S. taxpayers have been left holding the bag for what looks like $ 2 billion in defaulted loans to Iraq.



24 posted on 01/01/2007 2:45:39 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite
["Simply put, Serbian rhetoric ...STOP!

Hoplite: What in the hell is the matter with your head?

Again, you're being far too nice.

Why not just come and say that "Serbian rhetoric" is tantamount to what Dr. Joseph Goebbels propagated?

This is what you're attempting to demonstrate (right?).

I can be nasty too Hoplite - even on New Years Day.
25 posted on 01/01/2007 4:30:47 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Leave Hoplite alone. It is his tactics.
main subject of this article is video of Muslims in Bosnia declarinh "Holy war" against Christians, and he is deniying that ever hapened.
He just wants to distract our argument from real subject:
genicidal Muslims.

Happy new year everyone!


26 posted on 01/01/2007 4:40:26 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: Hoplite
What a good Dhimmi you are!

You are well on your way to reveling in living on your knees.

27 posted on 01/01/2007 6:19:06 AM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: tgambill

tgambill,

That's a myth. I can find facts and figures about France, Germany and Russia who sold Saddam BC technology too.

You are probarly using chemicals and biological agents in your own home right now and you don't even know it.


I'm sure we sold Saddam's Regime chemical and biological agents just like any other country did.

But I'm going to argue an old point.
"Guns don't kill People....people kill People"
And that can be apply to use of chemical and biological technology.

Do you know we use chemical and biological technology in our argricultre and medicine?


You need anthrax vaccinations for your lifestock to protect them from anthrax which is very common in arid regions of Iraq or use pesticides to protect your crops from bugs that will eat everything you plant in arid regions.

Botox is in medicine to help stroke victims or for treatment from overactive sweat glands. In large doses it's a poison.

Next time your caught up at the train crossings...check out the containers. How many different chemicals are being shipped in special containers to companies who make cleaning products?

If the train jumps its tracks...we have an enivornmental disaster on our hands because clorine burns your skins, lungs and eyes.

Mustard Gas is made from Clorine.

If Saddam acquired all his chemcials and biological agents then he is responsible for weaponizing these weapons not the world community.

If you watched FoxNews during Saddam's hanging. It was interesting. Saddam's lawyer said Saddam was not responsible for the Kurdish death. Iranian were using chemcial weapons too.

If you check out United Nation Resolution back in 1988 they did not say Saddam killed the Kurds. Only thing they said in the UNRES was chemical weapons were being used during Iraqi-Iranian war.

The UN did not place sanctions against Saddam back then only after the first Gulf War. UN told the world community to police themselves and restrict certain types of technology.

I don't think sanctions would allowed to go through because Russian and China who belong to the UNSC would vote no on it. Russia was a big supplier of military equipment...including China.


28 posted on 01/01/2007 8:58:36 AM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: tgambill

tgambill,

Here's interesting reading.
Find out who sold Saddam the most.
He acquired everything from around the world.


Bowling for Columbine? You can't be serious. You going to believe Michael Moore?



Wisconsin Project Publications on Iraq's Suppliers:

Date Article
04-13-03 The Means to Make the Poisons Came From the West Graphic
03-24-03 A Vile Business
09-15-02 Psst ... Can I Get A Bomb Trigger? (476K)
10-01 Commentary: Letters from Readers - Scott Ritter's Letter and the Project's Response
07-01 Shopping with Saddam Hussein
06-18-01 UN Sanctions Didn't Stop Iraq from Buying Weapons
03-19-01 Technology Two-Timing
12-13-99 Saddam's Shopping Spree
07-18-93 Who Armed Iraq?
04-26-93 Iraq's Bomb - an Update
06-04-92 Iraq's Bomb, Chip by Chip
12-22-91 How Western Greed Created Hussein's Iraq
06-25-91 Military Export to Iraq Come Under Scrutiny
06-20-91 US-Approved Exports May Have Aided Iraqi Army, Says Report
06-20-91 Study: Commerce Dept. Aided Iraqi Arms Buildup
06-91 Licensing Mass Destruction
03-91 Iraq and the Bomb
11-29-90 Better Nuclear Prevention than Cure
07-29-90 Must the U.S. Give Brazil and Iraq the Bomb?

http://www.iraqwatch.org/suppliers/index.html


29 posted on 01/01/2007 9:34:17 AM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
I can be nasty too Hoplite

I tremble, nay, absolutely quake with dread.

No doubt you have a PhD in Drama Queenery or some other such mark of distinction with which to try and impress me with.

30 posted on 01/01/2007 1:26:51 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
No doubt you have a PhD in Drama Queenery...

I thought you held the only such degree granted, Dhimmi?

31 posted on 01/01/2007 4:52:22 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Milligan

good points. I would agree, in most cases. I am aware of the military industrial complex that has a specific agenda. We financed and had a major role in the Bolshevik revolution and putting the communist in power, our military industrial complex was largly responsible for supporting with money and materials to get Hitler started and the his machine going throughout the war.......the same for Castro, Milosevic with recruiting...etc.......

The Military Industrial complex, although organized through the Counsel on Foreign Relations (A front organization) and the RIIA in England, they promote and instigate wars for profit. This is factual......they play both sides of a conflict to make sure the conflict happens.......so, in this case, it's a special strategy.....

your examples are good reading and will work well for future study, thanks. I know that in Desert storm a warehouse was bombed that contained nerve agent sold to Saddam by one of our companies.....and it exposed about 100 Army troops downwind. The intell was askewed and wasn't aware of this..........


32 posted on 01/01/2007 11:00:48 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill; Milligan

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33 posted on 01/01/2007 11:07:51 PM PST by Lurker (History's most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: Lurker

nice duk pictures.........:) poetry in a photo.....yep.


34 posted on 01/01/2007 11:11:14 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
Those aren't ducks.

They're loons.

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35 posted on 01/01/2007 11:14:36 PM PST by Lurker (History's most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: Hoplite

wow...you sold your soul, amazing. The reality is, we fired things up after the soviets left Afghanistan. We sent up to 10,000 trained Jihaders to cleanse the Serbs from Bosnia and stir up trouble. Milosevic just got stupid and allowed his paramilitaries free reign. However,

http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-intro.pdf

http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm

This one is replay of what I observed in Kosovo from 1999 to 2004, as I got the reports of one village after another being abandoned because the "Black Eagles" (Albanian terrorist group) would murder one or two in the village and the residents moved......more than once.

http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-massacred.pdf


36 posted on 01/01/2007 11:19:43 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Lurker

:)) i do declare, lurkker, you got uh'picture of loons that one culd frame.... I know dat thar are sum foks that luv...ducks...but, it might appear that you culd luv a loone, naw thats kinky....ouuuuuuu weeeeeeeeee. A little spashing in warter are ye....

I wrote this so as you could read it....lolol...:))))


37 posted on 01/01/2007 11:22:46 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Milligan

Nice site......this is appreciated. Gives very good references.

http://www.iraqwatch.org/suppliers/USapproved.htm


38 posted on 01/01/2007 11:26:56 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I am aware of the military industrial complex that has a specific agenda.

That agenda is 'making money.'

We financed and had a major role in the Bolshevik revolution

Bullsh**.

our military industrial complex was largly responsible for supporting with money and materials to get Hitler started

Double bullsh**.

the same for Castro

Triple bullsh**.

This is factual......

Only in the minds of raving lunatics.

L

39 posted on 01/01/2007 11:33:05 PM PST by Lurker (History's most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: Hoplite
["No doubt you have a PhD in Drama Queenery or some other such mark of distinction with which to try and impress me with."]

Impress someone like you? Never. I would never attempt such an impossible task.

Hoplite, what you are saying to me is almost exactly what I have been trying to say to you (subliminally) for quite some time.

By the way, my area is Mathematical Statistics. Somebody has to be the garbage collector. :-)
40 posted on 01/02/2007 12:40:40 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: tgambill

Glad you like the site.
It's not only the United States who armed Saddam but the World Community too.

Try to Remember that.

We should of done something to Saddam back in the 1990's while Clinton was in office. Containing Saddam in a box with UN Sanctions did not work because the man was able to work outside the box.

Saddam did not allowed any aid to go to his people but manage to get weapons from other sources like trading oil for weapons from the Serbs. Since the Serbs became the bad guys under the Clinton Administration they had to supply their men with weapons some how.

Saddam was using his people as political pawns. 600,000 Iraqi children died under UN sanctions because they did not have food or medical care.

UN gave humanitarian aid to Iraq but they never recieved it. Saddam resold it to finance his war machine right under Clinton's watch.

Clinton caused more recruitment for future Jihadist because our foriegn policy actions or inactions.

Just take a look at OBL's 1996 Fatwa. He blames the United States for the Iraqis misery and causing grief for Arabs. Our planes were based on Saudi Arabia and we were flying NFZ patrols.

US and UK were in a full scale war according to OBL. I didn't hear too much about this on the main stream news and it was a great shame.

If I knew what was going on I would write to my congressman to solve the humantarian crisis in Iraq without Saddam.

Did you know those NFZ's were illegal from the start? Two members of UNSC - China and Russia did not agree to the NFZ's.

I think the United States should of went into Iraq early to set up humanitarian aid stations in the No Fly Zones to take care of the civilians. This way we should able to by-pass this corrupt Regime and Saddam wouldn't be building UN Palaces for Oil.

UN Sanctions didn't work back then and they don't work now. Clinton had his priorities mixed up and now we are paying for it with US service members being killed everyday in Iraq.

To tell the truth when Clinton went into Kosovo...I didn't know what was going on. I think the Kosovo conflict was a Politically Correct war.

People who supported the Clinton Administration fighting the Serbs thought KLA was dismantled by Madame Albright's leadership.

KLA just went underground to get rid of the Serbs with US and NATO help. Since then KLA has re-emerged to help the Islamic movement worldwide. They have a very profitable gun, drug and sex trade going on in that region.

We will pay for it later.


41 posted on 01/02/2007 5:36:29 AM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: Lurker

Lurker,

Your saying my posting companion is loony?


42 posted on 01/02/2007 5:46:38 AM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: Lurker

You are the raving BS lurker. Mainly because you people offer very limited and mind restrictive answers...lolol..descrptive of your family backgroud and heritage. I love it when you clowns come back with virtually no background, facts, or supporting evidence. It gives the truth a soapbox on which to proclaim over your lies and deceit.

It's called......Slamdunk........clown...:)




http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html


http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html


Carroll Quigley

As a teen-ager I heard John Kennedy's summons to citizenship. And then, as a student at Georgetown, I heard that call clarified by a professor named Carroll Quigley, who said to us that America was the greatest nation in the history because our people have always believed in two things: that tomorrow can be better than today and that every one of us has a personal moral responsibility to make it so.

President Clinton's 1992 Acceptance Speech at the Democratic Convention

http://www.premier1.net/~barkonwd/quigley.htm

(CALL IT "BS", BUT YOUR HERO BILLY BOB CLINTON RESPECTED THIS NUT THAT SUPPORTS ALL I'VE BEEN POSTING.......HMMMMMMM



Carroll Quigley (1910-1977), professor of history at the Foreign Service School of Georgetown University, formerly taught at Princeton and at Harvard. He has done research in the archives of France, Italy, and England, and is the author of the widely praised Evolution of Civilizations. A member of the editorial board of the monthly Current History, He is a frequent lecturer and consultant for public and semipublic agencies. He is a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Anthropological Association, and the American Economic Association, as well as various historical association. He has been lecturer on Russian history at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces since 1951 and on Africa at the Brookings institution since 1961, and has lectured at many other places, including the U.S. Naval Weapons Laboratory, the Foreign Service Institute of the State Department, and the Naval College at Norfolk, Virginia. In 1958 he was a consultant to the Congressional Select Committee which set up the present national space agency. He was collaborator in history to the Smithsonian Institution after 1957, in connection with the establishment of its new Museum of history and Technology. In the summer of 1964 he went to the Navy Post-Graduate School, Monterey, California, as consultant to Project Seabed, which tried to visualize what American weapons systems would be like in twelve years.

Tragedy and Hope, 1966, 1348 pages, Hardbound, $40

Shows the years 1895-1950 as a period of transition from the world dominated by Europe in the nineteenth century to the world of three blocs in the twentieth century. With clarity, perspective, and cumulative impact, Professor Quigley examines the nature of that transition through two world wars and a worldwide economic depression. as a interpretative historian, he tries to show each event in the full complexity of its historical context. The result is a unique work, notable in several ways. It gives a picture of the world in terms of the influence of different cultures and outlooks upon each other; it shows, more completely than in any similar work, the influence of science and technology on human life; and it explains, with unprecedented clarity, how the intricate financial and commercial patterns of the West prior to 1914 influenced the development of today's world.

..."Thus, Rothchild interests came to dominate many of the railroads of Europe, while Morgan dominated at least 26,000 miles of American railroads. Such bankers went further than this. In return for flotations of securities of industry, they took seats on the boards of directors of industrial firms, as they had already done on commercial banks, savings banks, insurance firms, and finance companies." (p.60)

..".These firm were controlled through interlocking directorships, holding companies and lesser banks. They engineered amalgamations and generally reduced competition, until by the early twentieth century many activities were so monopolized that they could raise their noncompetitive price above costs..". (p. 61)







http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html

Prof. Carroll Quigley of Harvard, Princeton and Georgetown Universities wrote book disclosing international bankers' plan to control the world from behind the political and financial scenes. Quigley revealed plans of billionaires to establish dictatorship of the super-rich disguised as workers' democracies.

J. P. Morgan created artificial panic used as excuse to pass Federal Reserve Act Morgan was instrumental in pushing U. S. into WWI to protect his loans to British government. He financed Socialist groups to create an all-powerful centralized government which international bankers would control at the apex from behind the scenes. After his death, his partners helped finance the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia.

And, curiously enough, the Federal Reserve System has never been audited and has firmly resisted all attempts by House Banking Committee Chairman Wright Patman to have it audited. (N. Y. Times, Sept.14, 1967.)




THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE BY JULES ARCHER
http://www.clubhousewreckards.com/plot/plottoseizethewhitehouse.htm




War Is A Racket

A speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Smedley Butler



The Real Plot to Overthrow the White House

http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/pen-l/2005w11/msg00000.htm




Listen carefully, according to the New York Times of December 11, 1963, JFK gave an interview in which he made this statement. He was assassinated about 3 weeks before the Times Printed the interview. I think that I said taped or aired.... I meant printed, but goofed. Either way, it came from him and he said it.

Now, The article was written by Jean Daniel, foreign editor of L'Express, which was a French newspaper. It was in fact printed on December 11, 1963. He reports that he had made a recent trip to the U.S. and then to Cuba, which enabled him to establish in effect a dialogue between President Kennedy and Premier Fidel Castro. He first interviewed JFK and then presented his views to "Dr. Castro". He was to return for a second interview with JFK after having heard Dr. Castro's remarks on U.S. Policy. From reading Dr. Castro's comments, it is apparent that those who would even begin to believe that Castro was remotely responsible for the Assassination of JFK is ALL WET. General de Gualle felt that communism in Cuba was only the accidental and temporary form of the will to be independent from the United States. In any case, when questioned, JFK was quite emphatic;

Quote: "I will tell you this: We know perfectly what has happened in Cuba, to the unhappiness of all of us. I have followed personally since the beginning, the evolution of these events with grave concern. There are few matters to which I have devoted so much attention. The conclusions that I have drawn go much further than the European analyses."

"I think that there is not a country in the world including all the regions of Africa, and including any country under colonial colonization, the humiliation, the exploitation have been worse than those which ravaged Cuba, the result in part of the policy of my country, during the regime of Batista. I think that we spawned, constructed, entirely fabricated, without knowing it, the Castro movement. I think that the accumulation of such errors has endangered all of Latin America. The Alliance for Progress has no other aim than to reverse this disastrous course.

"In a certain sense, it is as though Batista were the incarnation of some of the sins committed by the United States. Now we must pay for those sins."

JFK goes on and on...and what Castro has to say is just as interesting. So, the implications are, JFK figured this out, and was being open minded, honest and was going to do something about it. It also indicates that we (Americans) have this fantasy that the President controls the CIA or whomever. This is an honest admission that the Presidency does not have full control of what goes on.......or even what action is taken.

To go a step further, in my humble opinion and based on contrary evidence to the Warrent commission, his murder was carried out publicly, because they wanted the political leaders in this country to know who was in control. There has been a phenomenal amount of research done on the case of President Kennedy's murder, and it almost seems that when he died, the tide changed in this country. The forces behind the assassination of Kennedy were able to change the course of history at will, and with the new-found confidence at this groups' success, the power they gained, literally allowed them to exert complete control over the American government.

It might be interesting to note that huge oil fields had been discovered off the coast of Vietnam in 1950. If I may add a comment that certain important, wealthy folks was maybe able to use oil as a ploy to ferment a fear that Vietnam would be lost to Communism, the way Cuba was. However, Kennedy wanted to end American involvement in the war, and in October, 1963, he recalled 1,000 so-called advisers. He planned to bring home all American soldiers by 1965. After Kennedy was eliminated, the U. S. government escalated the war in Vietnam. His hatred of the CIA was well-known. After the Bay of Pigs disaster, he said he wanted "to splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds." Using a federal statute, Kennedy was going to force J. Edgar Hoover, to retire, because he wanted somebody who better represented his New Frontier. Conservative in his economics, he intended to circumvent the Federal Reserve by issuing nearly $5 million in non-interest bearing U.S. bank notes(Executive Order #11110), much like Abraham Lincoln. And to top matters off, after winning the showdown with Russia over Cuba, he signed a limited nuclear test ban treaty with the Soviets. Needless to say, Kennedy's agenda was contrary to the plans for the Globalist. As Jacqueline Kennedy was getting ready to leave Air Force One when it arrived in Washington, still wearing the bloodstained clothing from Dallas, she said:

Quote: "I want them to see what they have done." A very strange comment to make, since Oswald was already in custody. In 1968, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy promised an honorable end to the Vietnam War, and with Martin Luther King, Jr. delivering the Black support, Kennedy would have been easily elected President. That however, did not fit into the plans of "other agendas" who wanted to prolong the war, and wanted Nixon to be President, because he represented the instrument that would perpetuate their goals. Again, there is plenty of evidence that points to a conspiracy in the assassinations of Bobby Kennedy, and King. The likelihood that the same forces were involved is evident, because again, the course of the nation was altered to fit into their plans.

This is also another reason that I just made a comment and not give the whole story. The New York Republic and Jean Daniel published this double interview on November 27, 1963. The New York Times Published it on December 11, 1963.

Even Kennedy was aware of the "if you want an empire, you have to have a war, if you want a war, you must have an enemy, if you can't find an enemy then you make one"....

Unfortunately our money has financed our enemies, killed our own people, and then returned back. Only a handful of orchestrators actually know this. The way they handle others is by blackmail, bribery, secrecy...many ways to contain any exposure. Mr. Norman Dodd was a former U.S. Congressman. He confirmed that war was the most effective means for controlling people. He testified that he was invited to study the minutes of The Carnegie Endowment for International peace...

Quote: "The Trustees of the Foundation brought up a single question. If it is desirable to alter the life of an entire people, is there any means more efficient than war? They discussed this question for about one year and came up with an answer: There are no known means more efficient than war, assuming the objective if altering the life of an entire people. That leads them to a question: How do we involve the U.S. in a war? Circa 1909

One interesting bit of trivia....The Kennedy's could not tell from the photos that missiles existed in Cuba...the United States worked out with Russia to remove the U.S. Missiles from Turkey that were aimed at the Soviet Union if they removed their missiles from Cuba. If there were no Soviet missiles in Cuba, then no trade off could be accomplished. It then became necessary to "create" a crisis in Cuba......

Now, interestingly enough there are Americans that are high up that have figured this mess out. One was in fact JFK. He felt that the American Government created the Castro government, and later imposed the Castro Government on the people.....



SO, WHO ARE WE TO BELIEVE...AN IDIOT NAMED HOPLIE...OPPS I MEAN LURKER OR A TRUTH TELLING FORMER PRESIDENT, NAMED JFK BEFORE THEY MURDERED HIM.



43 posted on 01/02/2007 6:21:12 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Lurker

And the followers of Muhammed (including the KLA) want us all dead, too!


44 posted on 01/02/2007 6:28:50 AM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Milligan

Good post....I was in kosovo from 1999 to 2004, actually It was my only home that time. I was security chief for the eastern region in Kosovo the entire time.

We had an agenda to break into the Balkans since 1948, witht he Balle Kombetar movement, revivied from the days of the Nazi invasion and link up with the Albanian nazi divisions that formed to kill Serbs and jews. Frank Wisner Sr was a part of the Operation Fiend to continue the campaign. It was part of the Military Industrial Complex to squeeze into position for many reasons to include the oil reserves in the Caspian, as only one of many reasons. Independent Kosovo was always the goal of the U.S......per quotes by Holbrooke and strategy for decades. We helped to fuel the break up starting in Croatia and Bosnia by bringing 10,000 + Jihaders from Afghanistan working with ISI, Iranian Intell, Saudi Intell and Turkish Intell heading to Kosovo. We used exaggerations and fabrications to justify our shadow campaign. You are correct, we covertly allowed the Albanian terrorist to cleanse the Serbs from 1999 to present as of now...and there are sinister plans for March 2007....big action yet to come.

I appreciate the links for sure concerning the role the world communities played.


45 posted on 01/02/2007 6:33:10 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Milligan

yep....that be me he is talking about, now you.

per my last post, no sooner than I wrote than the lastest.....

http://www.serbianna.com/news/2006/02922.shtml

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1761255/posts?page=3#3


46 posted on 01/02/2007 6:41:42 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Milligan

correction.....yep....that be me he is talking about, not you.

per my last post, no sooner than I wrote than the lastest.....

http://www.serbianna.com/news/2006/02922.shtml

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1761255/posts?page=3#3


47 posted on 01/02/2007 6:42:20 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
NAMED JFK BEFORE THEY MURDERED HIM.

Ahhh yes. The omnipotent "THEY".

L

48 posted on 01/02/2007 6:44:16 AM PST by Lurker (History's most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: Lurker

:) It's obvious that you have a long way to go and way out of your league. Buckle up bucko....you're in for a rude awakening. lolol...:)


49 posted on 01/02/2007 7:55:37 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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