Posted on 01/01/2007 4:25:08 PM PST by yochanan
There were 12 tribes of God's chosen people. The "Jews" are of the tribe of Judah with some of the tribe of Levite mixed in. The House of Judah and the House of Israel (the 10 other tribes) split and were scattered by God. Referred to as the "10 lost tribes" the House of Israel went over the Caucasus Mountains and settled Europe, then on to England and eventually America. Many of us are those "Saxons = Isaac's sons". We also are God's chosen people and I believe that is why there is such a close affinity with the Nation (not tribe) of Israel.
There are inseparable economic, military strategic and most importantly, Biblically-mandated reasons for continued alliance with Israel. To abandon Israel would be to reject God's blessing on those who bless her.
Let's wait and see how their relationship with China pans out before we start giving Israel the 'Pollard Memorial Ally of the Century' award.
You nailed, grafted in.
Christians support Israel for one reason...Israel must be an intact nation for Revelations to unfold and Jesus to return to the earth.
But I believe that even if no-one supported Israel, God would protect it. Israel is His possession, His land. God protects Israel for His sake, not theirs.
But many of the comments that follow aren't so hot.
The business of Armageddon results from a fundamental misunderstanding of Evangelical Christians' views regarding Armageddon. That Battle, according to most Fundamentalists, will occur at least 1007 years from now...counting down from the moment of "The Rapture". (The preceding statement based on the fact that most Evangelical Christians and Fundamentalists are Dispensationalists who follow the eschatology of Tim LaHaye and Left Behind, Hal Lindsay, H.R. Ironside, M. R. DeHaan, Moody Bible Institute, etc.)
The real question is why do liberals support anti-democratic, anti-women, terrorist dictators.
I don't know a single fundamentalist Evangelical who believes this. There are a lot of messed up ideas out there.
Let me get this straight. Let's say you're a Christian and believe the bible. Jews are God's chosen people. Jesus, God's only son, was scorned and ultimately railroaded into crucifixtion by "God's chosen people". Then those same people denied the divinity of Jesus and today heap the most scorn on fundamentalist Christians and their "object" of worship. They also make up a large portion of the outspoken atheists- to whom God's existence is a joke. And according to the New Testament, these Chosen People don't make it to Heaven unless they sing a different tune.
You gotta be kidding me. I'm no theologist, but this is a little much for a layman to swallow. I value the Jewish community and Israel but the "chosen people" argument doesn't wash.
God did choose Israel to spread the Word to the gentiles. The gentiles are the ethnos,the nations. The tribes of Israel, (not the nation of Israel), consists of 10 of the 12 tribes, the so called "10 lost tribes". The Jews are from the tribe of Judah only. Where did those 10 tribes go?After God scattered them they eventually migrated to America, to the "One nation under God" and we do spread His Word to the gentile nations today. They don't listen very well but we try. We are part of the chosen people so let's get busy and continue helping our brother Judah.
First, you need to distinguish between secular Jews and Orthodox Jews. Secondly, they will all have their chance at redemption. Meanwhile, I will continue to support Israel.
Ditto. Israel is the lone democracy in the ME. Its in our interest to support this young nation.
Why? Because many evangelicals, while not too clever on when it comes to science, understand basic moral principles. In contrast, many secular people takescience to the extreme and turn it into a religion itself. Finding no basis for morality in atoms and genes, they become morally paralyzed in relativism, and ultimately nihilism.
Anybody who acknowledges lgood's right to resist evil, the moral superiority of liberal democracy over tyranny, the difference between a free people and one that straps bombs to their kids, the difference between a regime that believes in human rights and one that wants to complete Hitler's Final Solution -- will give Israel unequivocal support.
Hey Israel and all Jews,
I love ya, deal with it!
Ditto
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TommyDale: So you see no value in having Israel as our only true ally in the Middle East?
His myopic overreacting with a lack of aesthetics...
Some of the Bozos out there can't get past that word “God,” so they would just piss the entire country away and join the enemies of America; all because they have this polemic need to bash the Christians and do everything in contravention to them. I say screw them and the filthy practices they want to live by. My children are not going to inherit their squalor if I can help it.
Of course, what a lot of the leftists and misguided, myopic liberal-tarians don't want to admit is that Christianity (and they do hate Christians) is just their politically correct proxy for their war against what is written in the Judaic book of Genesis.
It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law, something both the Neo-Pagan Left and the pagan Islamic thugs cannot abide and wish to destroy.
The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses.
Historically, this is proven over and over again with the successive conflicts between the forces of paganism and the Judaic culture. (This includes the idolatry of cultural Marxist paganism.)
Aleister Crowley, who openly supported the National Socialists, was affiliated with Ordo Templi Orientis,the Golden Dawn, A.A. (Order of the Silver Star) and other such occult lodges all across Germany. Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder. Much of the occultism in National Socialism is derived directly from there. Crowley envisioned himself as the Great Beast (To Mega Therion), just as der Fuhrer made himself in that image. Hitler's life as a struggling, inept artist was where that association blossomed.
Crowley's creed, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law," (which is actually from Francois Rabelais) and used by Neo-Pagan nutcases without attribution for obvious politically correct reasons, is with certainty no different than the National Socialist "will to power," or their ubermensch mentality.
Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.
Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal. With pantheons of fantasies as their medium of infinitization, they still have nothing in them of reality, any more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.
Homosexual deviancy is really a pagan practice (and a self-induced social psychosis) at war with the Judaic culture over what is written in the book of Genesis (1:27, 2:18).
This is exactly what the National Socialists were at war with... especially if you consider their eugenic breeding programs... so, when someone uses the term "Gaystapo," they might not realize how close to the truth they really are.
Contemplate the religious fervor associated with the pro-abortion advocacy. The societal practice of abortion is ritual mass murder upon the altars of conceit dedicated to idolatrous vanities, a collective human sacrifice before pagan idols.
It has a similitude to the Teutonic paganism of Adolph Hitler (whose idolatry was the idea of a "master race," among other things). In effect, these genocides are a mass human sacrifice to those pagan idols. The abortionists, like the National Socialists, incinerate the remains of their victims.
These occult orders, sex and drug cults still survive today, as do the Neo-pagan, Neo-Nazi groups, black supremacist Rastafarian potheads, prison gangs and other related filth.
Crowley occultism is also from where L. Ron Hubbard emerges with Scientology. Note the NAZI symbolism of that kooky cult of weirdoes and their deviant adherents.
The Sun and Bacchus are Apollo and Dionysus, two gods, or two aspects of religious experience from the ancient Greeks, and their juxtaposition is of some importance - - a statement of belief in the duality of human nature, symbolized by Apollo as the light of reason, and Dionysus as the underground power of emotion (see Camille Paglia's Sexual Personae).
Egyptians worshipped Harpocrates, the god of silence; for which reason he is always pictured holding a finger on his mouth. Athenians had a statue of brass, which they bowed to; a figure made without a tongue, to declare secrecy thereby. The Romans had a goddess of silence called Angerona, which was pictured like Harpocrates, holding her finger on her mouth, in token of secrecy.
There is an occult nature to certain politics and this progression of culture (ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, National Socialism, Soviet Socialism and the modern iconographic idolatry of Marxist paganism) can easily be illustrated, but is most often ignored or rejected for reasons of political expediency, like the aforementioned pagan idolatries of secrecy and silence.
The use of such religion is essential for many aspects of political power over the ignorant, unwashed masses. It is no surprise that Akhnaton's monotheistic approach was completely and abruptly destroyed by the successive generation, restoring the pantheistic idolatries of previous pharaohs. This phenomenon is not historically isolated and is played out in a myriad of instances today.
A greater number of "atheists" and "pagans" adopt the same hackneyed tenets of a faux Judaic-Christian ideal (golden calf). They also subscribe to the Judaic fetishism of "sin," but will fight to their death in denial of it.
Most of them are so wrapped up in their own polemics that they have become nothing more than pathetic anti-Christians with the same false hypocritical philosophy. They just slap a new label on it hoping nobody will notice - - they replace the idea of "avoiding sin" with "morals."
Morality and all of its associated ideals are rooted entirely in the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct in human behavior. Today, "morals" are a religious pagan philosophy of esoteric hobgoblins. Transfiguration is a pantheon of fantasies as the medium of infinitization. Others get derision for having an unwavering Judaic belief in Yahweh or Yeshua, although their critics and enemies will evangelize insertion of phantasmagoric fetishisms into secular law.
Many leftists think that the Islamofascists will be useful idiots in destroying modern Western societies. Once Western civilization is destroyed, these leftists think they can take the wreckage and build a communist utopia. That is why you see a convergence of many (but not all) leftist causes and Islamofascist causes.
Your grasp of eschatology leaves much to be desired. At Armageddon, Christ himself will fight against the assembled armies of the Antichrist (Beast) on behalf of the Jews.
Also, although the term "Rapture" does not appear in the Scripture, the event it refers to is described by Paul:
"For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thess. 4:16-17)
Unless you think these Scriptures don't mean what they say, the Bible does indeed speak about what we refer to as the "Rapture".
"There were 12 tribes of God's chosen people. The "Jews" are of the tribe of Judah with some of the tribe of Levite mixed in. The House of Judah and the House of Israel (the 10 other tribes) split and were scattered by God. Referred to as the "10 lost tribes" the House of Israel went over the Caucasus Mountains and settled Europe, then on to England and eventually America. Many of us are those "Saxons = Isaac's sons". We also are God's chosen people and I believe that is why there is such a close affinity with the Nation (not tribe) of Israel." ~ Ping-Pong
Not so.
Watchman Fellowship’s 2001 Index of Cults and Religions
http://www.watchman.org/cat95.htm#British
British Israelism: (Anglo-Israelism/Israelitism) The doctrine that the true identity of modern Israel (or the “ten lost tribes”) is Britian and (sometimes) the British colonies (America). The monarchs of England sit on the throne of David. In more extreme forms, Israel is identified with a particular raceusually white Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, and Scandinavian people. Opposing versions of doctrine teach that Blacks are God’s Chosen People, Israel. See Christian Identity Movement, Serpent seed doctrine.
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THE IDENTITY MOVEMENT
What has come to be known as the Identity Movement was previously termed Anglo-Israelism or British-Israelism. It is composed of those individuals and groups who identify the present day Anglo-Saxon people as the direct biological descendants of the ancient Israelites and, as such, God's chosen people, the heirs of all God's promises to Abraham and his progeny. ..." [snip] http://www.americanreligion.org/cultwtch/identity.html
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Apologetics Index
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b72.html
Also known as Christian Identity, Anglo- or British-Israelism. Adherents believe present day Anglo-Saxon people are direct descendants of the ancient Israelites, and have thus inherited all God's promises to Abraham and his descendants.
More information at: Identity Movement
Origins of the British Israelites : The Lost Tribes by Michael Friedman.
This exhaustive and comprehensive work uses in-depth research in the fields of philology, British history, hermeneutics, scientific principles, and geological and archeological studies to refute the claims of British Israelism that they are the Lost Tribes. The writer shows the many groups that fall into the British Israelism camp. The book also contains maps of the Holy Land and the land grants of the various tribes, as well as letters from leading institutions of higher education refuting the claims of British Israelism
The Edwin Mellen PressOff-site Link
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Cult Awareness & Information Center:
History of British-Israelism in the Revival Centres
http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=640&Itemid=8
The Theory of British Israelism Page 1 of 10
http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=639&Itemid=8
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