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To: xzins

I wonder what the gay v. straight ratio is among Chaplains and Chaplain's assistants v. the military at large?

"Discipline, good order, and morale all say that gays should not be a part of the military."

No, homophobic chaplains say that.


124 posted on 01/03/2007 4:00:40 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny; wagglebee; scripter; EdReform; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Corin Stormhands; rdb3; ...
Ratios don't matter and ad hominem's don't matter.

What matters is actual battlefield issues. I can't expect a civilian to understand the feelings about this among the troops. Those unexpressed sentiments are evident in conversation.

Troops would NOT want to be treated when they are wounded and bleeding by someone who is HIV positive OR suspect. They wouldn't want to treat someone who is bleeding and HIV positive OR suspect.

Troops realize that the emergency blood supply if they are wounded would come from their own comrades. They consider it unfair that they can give good blood to someone who would be gay, but they would not be able to have their lives saved by a gay member giving blood to them BECAUSE the blood supply would be SUSPECT or actually infected.

They also realize that the gay troops are far more likely to be infected with other blood-borne pathogens.

They realize that any blood test given in the military every OTHER year is not important because of the extreme promiscuity of gays. They realize that even IF blood tests were given on deployment (which is not the norm) they are insignificant because of sexual contacts that can be made by deployed members with multi-national forces or with the local population. Incubation times of the HIV virus before it is transmitable by a newly infected host are not that long.

In short, there would be huge morale issues based on biological and bahavioral concerns with gays.

Your ad hominem attack on me is of no consequence. All that matters are the real issues.

See the following article.

HIV leaps among young gay Americans

Aids has killed almost 450,000 Americans

Young gay and bisexual men in the United States, especially those who are black, are becoming infected with HIV at rates similar to those seen when the Aids epidemic peaked in the mid-1980s, according to a new study. The report's staggering figures reveal that one-third of all black gay and bisexual male Americans under the age of 30 are HIV positive, and that infection rates have climbed sharply.

Infection rates are comparable with those of sub-Saharan Africa, the continent worst hit by Aids

The study was released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on the 20th anniversary of the discovery of the disease Aids, which is caused by HIV .

Scientists tracked almost 3,000 young bisexual and gay men in six US cities for two years.

Explosive rates

Every year the number infected with HIV grew by 4.4%.

"These are explosive HIV incidence rates," said Dr Linda Valleroy, the CDC epidemiologist who led the study.

The CDC admitted that its small sample might not be representative for all gay men, but it described the study's findings as a "critical" public health matter.

Aids has killed nearly 21 million people around the world, including about 450,000 Americans since the virus's discovery in 1981.

Racial disparity

But the overall infection rates masked an enormous racial disparity.

For white members of the group, growth in the infection rate was 2.5%, for black Americans, almost 15%, or one in seven.

Researchers noted that these infection rates were comparable with those of sub-Saharan Africa, the continent worst hit by Aids.

It's very scary. This is a new generation of people who should know better, but don't

Marty Algaze Gay Men's Health Crisis

The study's scientists blamed the rise in infection rates on poorly targeted education, growing complacency and the continued stigma attached to Aids patients.

Aids prevention groups stressed the need for new ways to reach young adults at risk.

Ignorant generation

"These are young people who didn't see their friends dying, didn't lose lovers and friends and people who were important to them," said Marty Algaze, a spokesman for Gay Men's Health Crisis.

"It's very scary. This is a new generation of people who should know better, but don't."

"People don't perceive that you get infected and you die in two months any more," said Phill Wilson, executive director of the African-American Aids Policy and Training Institute at the University of Southern California.

Stigma

Some activists suggest that the stigma - both for being gay and being HIV positive - is worse for black men.

Researchers suggest the fact that infected black Americans are less likely to tell their partners about their status may be one reason for their vastly higher rates of infection.

"Whether you look at this country or throughout the world, this disease is becoming concentrated in marginalised populations," US Surgeon-General David Satchel said at a press conference in Washington.

Mr Satcher, who described the anniversary as a "solemn milestone", added that there was a desperate need to find an Aids vaccine.

Development of a vaccine, however, is years away and unlikely to be of help to the millions around the world already infected by the virus.

131 posted on 01/03/2007 5:34:59 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: leadpenny

Check post 134 for a reasoned argument.

Oh, and spewing the label "homophobic" into this debate is neither reasoned nor reasonable.


137 posted on 01/03/2007 6:06:54 AM PST by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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