Skip to comments.Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee
THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.
Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giulianis flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giulianis advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.
Giuliani was acclaimed as the mayor of America for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.
Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. What kind of wife is that? Raoul Felder, Giulianis lawyer, fumed. Shes essentially saying shes not going to vote for him.
Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giulianis mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giulianis emerged.
Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.
New Yorkers relished the details of Giulianis larger-than-life personal story. But conservative values voters could be different, as Giulianis own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.
The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially insurmountable vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.
Giulianis record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.
It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, Im a strong social conservative in my private life, but he cant even say that, said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. Its not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.
When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.
They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an intimate relationship with a senior member of his staff.
In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.
Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giulianis scummy performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton look good as a husband and father.
New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the familys golden retriever.
Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an uncaring mother who was howling like a stuck pig.
In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.
Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriends Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.
Rudy is unabashedly liberal on gay marriage and all-phase abortion. Not only is the ex-wife a liability, so is the current one. She's nice, but she's not up to the task of countrywide campaigning, much like Therese Kerry was not a helpmate.
And there you have it.
And .. Hillary will be standing in the wings handing her money to make Rudy's life miserable.
I would never put it past Hillary to try this game .. especially since Rudy is one of her highest rated opponents which I'm sure she would like to vanquish.
And .. Hillary might get a little help from McCain - so he would become the top dog for the GOP nomination.
This is the part of politics I hate the most.
Mcinsane and Hillary! (TM USmedia) both are better qualified than he in this particular regard.
" Mcinsane and Hillary! (TM USmedia) both are better qualified than he in this particular regard."
What about John Kerry? He has three purple hearts, you know. Did you know Kerry fought in Vietnam? /s
Do you believe Rudy lived with a Gay couple?
"I didn't ask anything about "humor." I haven't mentioned "humor." If you think it's funny, that's fine. No harm in jokes. I simply didn't find that Rudy had done anything illegal or morally wrong--contrary to a number of people on this thread."
Well, don't you find it funny that Rudy goes to family reunions to pick up chicks?
Well....Rudy's judgement was real flawed about his girlfriend. Bringing her to Gracie Mansion with his wife and kids in residence is a big no-no. Clinton was a scumbag in the marital department too. And we rightfully blasted him for it. We'll have a real problem trying to excuse Rudy in the face of Clinton's behavior.
I suggest Rudy supporters just lie and say he commanded the NY City national guard...
I'd vote for Rudy
> I would agree. However, I've heard several stories as far as the reasoning. One suggests SHE asked to have the papers served to her there.
The operative facts are that Newt was a philandering POS who chose to divorce the mother of his children while she was in the midst of fighting cancer.
Liberal or conservative, it is awfully scummy behavior, and I would never trust anyone who exhibited such a callous disregard for plain human decency.
Agree, no need to bring up the personal details about Ronald Reagan.
I think the larger point is that men are mortals, and have shortcomings and weaknesses. It is only when the weaknesses and shortcomings outweigh the strengths and the positives, and when they interfere with the job he is doing, that they become important to me.
Case in point. Bill Clinton and his WINO. Moral bankrupcy and total corruption. If he were faithful to his wife, would it make him any less venal or corrupt? Screwing the country is a lot worse than screwing another woman.
I wasn't here at the F.R. during the 2000 primaries but I would imagine it was as divided then as it is now. It sure was during the Arnold vs. McClintock CA recall era a few years ago. Somehow out of both of those, Republicans managed to win.
Last time I checked, FR was a CONSERVATIVE forum, not withstanding the fact that there seem to be a lot of libertarians and RINOs here.
"Illegal immigration may not be a signature social issue, like gay marriage or abortion, or creationism, or prayer in schools, but it sort of is."
Is there anything you don't consider a "social issue?"
Yes, but frankly, George Bush isn't boring. Brownback....major yawn and he's even boring looking. Sorry, he won't play well in the big cities and I doubt the little ones, either.
"I don't care if Rudy had sex with a goat."
I would and the vast majority would precisely because it would go to the core of his character.
"Conservatives need to leave the social issues ALONE. That's right, stop pontificating about moral values for once and start cutting taxes, fighting a real war on terror, and limiting the size of government. When these are taking care of, the social issues will take care of themselves."
That's not sound conservative thought. That's libertarianism.
"I believe in the long run republicans will support Rudy over McCain .McCain and Hillary are the same."
That's because their stand on so many issues is the same.
Foreign policy, defense, the amount of taxes, spending, the role of the courts, educational policy, medical subsidies, tax structures, social security structures, entitlements, land use, trade issues, protectionism, tort lawyers, and tort law, and the environment, come to mind, off the top of my head, as issues that are very tangential from social issues, that divide and anger and annoy, as social issues, qua social issues.
I have ignored certain libertarian issues, such as drug policy, the Patriot Act, etc, that are also not really social issues, as commonly referred to. And then there are the globalist issues, and the the federal reserve issues, and fiat currency, for the nutters out there - also beyond the sane zone of social issue concerns.
Just a reminder: Free Republic is a conservative site
Posted on 04/11/2006 by Jim Robinson
We fight for conservative principles, values and causes. We defend the Constitution. We defend our borders. We defend our God-given rights. We are opposed to the liberal/socialist/Marxist agenda for America. We do not willingly give up ground to the Marxists.
We fight on. We hold the majority. We continue working as hard as we possibly can to elect as many conservatives as we possibly can. We build a conservative majority that can overcome the Democrats and the RINOs.
We do not willingly give up any seats to Democrats. We add seats. Preferably, conservative seats. I would also like to remind everyone, that Free Republic does not condone racism and does not advocate violence. We exercise our first amendment rights to free speech and peaceable assembly. We do not condemn people because of their race, religion, ethnicity, skin color, etc. We do not advocate civil war, anarchy, or an overthrow of the government.
And, yes, we are at war. And we do support our troops and their mission. We also respect our commander-in-chief and are mindful that when people disrespect him, it hurts troop morale.
We do not appreciate the mainstream media's attempts to destroy America's will to fight and we do not do anything to assist the Democrats and their accomplices in the media in their treasonous mission of undermining the war effort by providing aid and comfort to the enemy.
I'll list a few issues (by no means and exhaustive list) that will be adversely affected by Marxist/Democrats in power:
The Supreme Court
The federal judiciary
The legislative agenda
The right to life Marriage between one man, one woman
Taxation Oil/energy The right to keep and bear arms
The right to freedom of religion
The right to self-governance
All of our God-given rights
Do not get so discouraged that we give it all up. It could take generations to get it back. If ever. "Securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" is our duty.
I was responding to a FReeper who replied, "so what?" when I said that Giuliani IS NOT a conservative.
Rudy is conservative on many issues.
Instead of always trying to whip up an anti-Rudy duststorm, why don't you see what Rudy is actually on the record stating like
* will appoint judges in the mold of Scalia and Roberts.
* is against gay marriage
* supports charter schools and free choice in education
* supports smaller government and lower taxes.
* totally supports freedom of religion, and is against public funding of anti-religion. ( Brooklyn Museum )
* totally supports private property rights.
For the rest, why don't you wait and see what Rudy actually believes in and what he says. Right now you are just repeating the same crap over and over without verifying it.
You honestly believe Rudy will repeal the 2nd Amendment or push for more gun control laws?
The 2nd Amendment survived the Clinton & Carter years, didn't it?
You are being myopic.
Well she was on Broadway, a play about a part of her lower anatomy that talks to itself IIRC.
I'm SO glad my vote cancels out yours!!!
And does anybody remember when Donna Hanover tried to make it on the Food Network show. She was nothing. She was starting Culinary School and I don't know what happened after that. She dissapeared from the Food Show.
I'm a Republican. I want to see a Republican win the Presidency in 2008. If a Republican who wins the primary isn't a conservative, who would you vote for instead?
I will vote for the GOP nominee whoever it is, but I want the nominee to be conservative.
So if its Guiliani, would you vote for him?
Did Reagan exclusively run on social issues & told people they were going to Hell for looking at Playboy though. He highlighted & included them as part of the greater good of conservatism. That's what Republicans need to do. People hate being preached to.
Rudy's statements in the past, his endorsements by liberals, whatever. 2008 is a whole new ballgame. The next election will be all about economic & foreign policy. So the pro-life movement and the busybodies worrying about other people's families should work in increments rather than demanding they get fed grapes by muscular men.
Rudy's personal life or his marriages are none of people's business. Learn from our hero Reagan and build a coalition rather than a couple of pet issues.
No to the first, and probably no to the second (but depending on what rights, privileges and benefits are attached).
I didn't agree with Rudy's immigration policy as Mayor of NYC. This is simply an issue that I will wait for Rudy to clarify when the primaries heat up. Obviously, I'm not a fan of illegal immigration and this issue will definetly play a role in my vote for the GOP nominee.
Yes, but my hope is that he won't be the nominee.
How about you limit the size of government and take taxpayer dollars out of abortion, and the abortion industry will shrivel up over time.
How about you let states worry about gay marriages and stop cracking down on online poker players.
If you cut taxes and limit government, people will make the right choices themselves.
So you're more concerned about what adults are doing in their bedrooms rather than limiting government and lowering taxes.
If that makes me a Loserdopian, or Liberal-tarian, so be it.
Who, at this point, do you wish is the nominee? McCain? Romney?
At this point, I honestly have no idea, but I don't want Giuliani, McCain or Romney.
The American way to address the criminals is to neuter the criminals, not trash the liberty of the law abiding and decent. Why is this so damned hard for you city slickers to understand? I reckon we could reduce rapes, using the same path, couldn't we?
Don't you even care about the decent citizens who give up their self defense rights?
Which represents your view about state laws regarding same sex couples: Allow Allow Grant No to Marry Civil Unions Legal Reognition Registered voters 36% 33% 27% Democrats 50% 28% 19% Republicans 18% 33% 44% Non-partisans 33% 43% 19%
"Most conservatives don't want Rudy.
I'm SO glad my vote cancels out yours!!!"
True conservatives don't vote for former Liberal Party candidates; but to some I guess winning is what's important, even if it means selling one's soul to do so.
I remember Donna Hanover from a food show I used to watch on occasion, In Food Today. It was pretty terrible, but I only watched for David Rosengarten. She always seemed like she was really P.O.'ed about something.
You folks brought on Nancy Pelosi...I didn't....
All the problems with the dole would go away tomorrow, if the dole went away first.
I could care less what Hanover, known best as Rudy's ex and an actress in The Vagina Monologues, has to say. Both seem to be at fault in the marriage so she shouldn't throw stones.