Immigration By the Numbers

Google Video ^ | Mar 8, 2006 | Roy Beck

[A. Pole]

My problem with the current legal immigration laws is that we are not taking in enough of the talented people. Instead, chain migration is bringing in many people who do not contribute to our society, e.g., aged parents. [...] We need trained, educated people who can contribute to our economy.

Do you really want people who were raised well by their parents to reap the fruits of their sacrifice while dumping old parents and benefiting you?

It would be very wicked. Either you are willing to take young productive people TOGETHER with those to whom they owe, or do not take them at all!

[Basheva]

Exactly.

[kabar]

It would be very wicked. Either you are willing to take young productive people TOGETHER with those to whom they owe, or do not take them at all!

We set the conditions and the individuals have the choice to accept them or not. Mexicans send back over billion dollars a year to their families. Legal immigrants can go back as often as they want to visit their families. Why should we allow people to bring in their aged and infirm parents who then become the responsibility of the US taxpayer? How do the immigration laws of Poland operate? How many legal immigrants do you allow in every year? Has there been anyone comparable to a Zbigniew Brzezinski at the highest levels of the Polish government?

The point is that we currently allow legal immigrants to sponsor their parents coming into the US. Chain migration is a problem.

[Teacher317]

More than 11 minutes elapsed just between your post #2 and post #5. In that time, you could have watched the video, and not needed to type willfully ignorant comments like, "I'm already aware of the issues. Watching a 30 minute video (after the stops and starts) won't educate me any further."

(Note: that isn't an insult... you are actively stating that you are purposefully ignoring the video because you actively ignore the possibility that it could potentially teach you something. That is the definition of "willful ignorance". My comment is not an attempt to label your entire intellectual profile as "ignorant".)

[A. Pole]

How do the immigration laws of Poland operate? How many legal immigrants do you allow in every year?

It is very hard to immigrate to Poland.

Has there been anyone comparable to a Zbigniew Brzezinski at the highest levels of the Polish government?

There are too few immigrants to make is probable. Still people of not Polish ethnic descent can achieve the highest offices

The point is that we currently allow legal immigrants to sponsor their parents coming into the US. Chain migration is a problem.

Bringing aged parents is rather a humanitarian moral issue (like paying debt), the chain migration is more related to siblings, children and other relatives.

[Teacher317]

You are forgetting two things: Improving American society has greatly benefitted the entire planet, and immigrants send home billions of dollars annually. The parents they are beholden to are not lost and forgotten. Heck, they can live a far better lifestyle staying at home with an influx of a few hundred bucks per month than they could with just that amount living here.

[saganite]

Or maybe you should consider the alternative that I am cognizant of the facts because I got them from a source other than this video and simply disagree with the conclusions?

Your response is very liberal in nature, as in "If you don't agree with my conclusions you must be stupid or uninformed".

[Teacher317]

I made no conclusions whatsoever, and yet you insist that I am accusing you of not agreeing with my conclusions... and yet you say I'm the one using the Left's habits of illogic. The Leftist hobby of hypocrisy and accusing others of one's own trespasses seem to be arising here.

Odd that you also do not reveal your "alternative source". If it were reliable, one would think you would be able to assert it with confidence.

[Nowhere Man]

Regardless of 'talent', the numbers are simply not sustainable. We need a moratorium on immigration to allow assimilation.

Agreed, in fact my father said the same thing last time I talked to him. The only exception is people fleeing from tyranny, i.e., Cuba, but beyond that, we need to make immigration close to zero to allow assimilation along with time to formulate a new policy. A side note, I remember a group of Cubans who modified a 1951 Chevy or Dodge truck into a floating boat, people like that who have the mind and ingenuity to do that, they deserve to be here but overall, we need to almost stop it in a general sense for some time. As to the illegals, we need to send them back and if they consume any of our resources like medical for example, we should bill their home countries.

[moehoward]

Or tax their remittances enough to offset the costs incurred by their presence. At the current rate of 45 billion dollars annually, it just might make a dent.

[saganite]

and not needed to type willfully ignorant comments like, "I'm already aware of the issues.

Your statement that I'm willfully ignorant is not a conclusion? Please enlighten me as to what a conclusion might be under your criteria?

noun
1. a position or opinion or judgment reached after consideration; "a decision unfavorable to the opposition"; "his conclusion took the evidence into account"; "satisfied with the panel's determination" [syn: decision]
2. an intuitive assumption; "jump to a conclusion"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conclusion

[Teacher317]

Once again, I did not allege that YOU are willfully ignorant... I even wrote an additional missive at the end of my post to help everyone understand that. Apparently, it did not help.

I only wrote that your post demonstrated an classic example of a willful, purposeful, and intentional effort to ignore something important in the discussion. Yes, that is a conclusory statement... I actually meant that my post just made no conclusion whatsoever about the topic of the discussion (which you continue to side-step while still arguing about semantic nonsense). My post also really focused on the wrong word in your response to me. I should have cited the phrase "don't agree", not the word "conclusions". Nothing in my post showed agreement with any part of the discussion between you and Kabar. I offer my apologies for assuming you'd be able to understand and overlook that minor difference.