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School meal is poor substitute for home-cooked involvement
The Seattle Times ^ | 1/11/07 | Bruce Ramsey

Posted on 01/11/2007 12:57:52 PM PST by goodnesswins

The social-service industry thinks otherwise. One of its principal lobbies, the Children's Alliance, paid a visit to The Seattle Times the other day to promote its proposals for the Legislature — a Legislature likely to be favorable. One of the group's proposals was that the state should pay for a free lunch to kids from families in the $26,000-to-$37,000 income bracket for a family of four. These kids have been offered a lunch that is reduced in price but not free.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: breakfast; education; lunch; schools
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It is a false solution to real problems.

I wonder why increasingly more people are doing it. They must be really dumb to fall for this false solution of homeschooling. I'll bet their kids do really poorly, having been taught by dumb people. There are probably some statistics out there that show how poorly home-schooled kids do in college, etc.

In case you missed it: /sarc.

41 posted on 01/11/2007 2:11:38 PM PST by RedQuill
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"I attended public school in southern Arkansas and had an excellent preparation for college."

Well, yes....you are 58 years old......and I agree Parents are a very big part of success in a childs education, which is WHY HOMESCHOOLERS usually are very successful, because they are VERY involved. I have various relatives who are in public schools....getting straight A's.....whose spelling is atrocious, and who are rewarded for their mediocrity....I'm not impressed with Public Schools for a reason.....I also was the CHAIR/Member of a large Community College Board.....and know how much REMEDIAL education the community colleges are doing.....public education is being sidetracked by socialism and diversity....NOT IN TOTAL, but enough to make it a different "cookie" than when you and I went to public schools.

42 posted on 01/11/2007 2:12:21 PM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: JenB

"And the schools which failed to give them the tools to teach 'subjects with any substance' can teach their kids?" This is rarely the case. The real objection to Public schools for most is not that they do not teach but WHAT they teach.

"And some education major whose one math class was "math for teachers" can do a better job?" Such a statement indicates that you do not know anything about math teachers to begin with. Most are very well trained in mathematics FAR more so than would-be home schoolers.


43 posted on 01/11/2007 2:13:29 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

It's quite a myth that the "vast majority" of people "cannot" homeschool.

The most convincing story I ever read was right here on FR. A grandma volunteered in her granddaughter's 3rd grade class. One week the teacher asked grandma to teach remedial reading to a couple of students. Grandma protested that she didn't know how to teach reading. The teacher replied, oh, every page has instructions you can read on what the child should do. Just guide the student through that and you'll do fine. After grandma taught those kids to read in a few weeks, she decided to homeschool her grandchildren.

Anyone who can read and write at a passable level can homeschool.

The parents' failings, for lack of a better word, can have the same effect whether or not the child is homeschooled. For example, I know two families where the parents regularly use poor grammar ("we don't have none" etc.) In one family, the children go to public school and are taught correct grammar. In the other family, the children go to homeschool and are taught, by virtue of the language arts books they use, correct grammar. All the parents still say "we don't have none," but the public-schooled children also say "we don't have none," regardless of what they have been taught in school, and the homeschooled children say "we don't have any" b/c they go on what their books say is correct.


44 posted on 01/11/2007 2:16:35 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

It's quite baseless to dismiss all homeschooling as ineffective, just as it is baseless to dismiss all public schooling as ineffective.

If you actually believe that most people who are homeschooling "shouldn't" be doing so (your word), that's astounding.

My children are receiving a world-class education and I am providing it.


45 posted on 01/11/2007 2:21:12 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Homeschooling works for most students who try it. Very few students do not become educated, even as you define it, when they are educated at home.


46 posted on 01/11/2007 2:23:10 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I have a degree in computer science and a minor in mathematics. My husband is a mechanical engineer. Between us we've had more math than most math teachers in public school. Heck, either of us has probably had more math. When we have kids, will we be less suited to teach them than some 'education professional'?

If you think so, then explain my and my husband's succesful highly-skilled careers. We are both products of homeschooling...


47 posted on 01/11/2007 2:24:38 PM PST by JenB
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Such a statement indicates that you do not know anything about math teachers to begin with.

Oh, that is the funniest thing I have heard all day. I used to date an Ed major. Math education courses are a joke.
48 posted on 01/11/2007 2:29:09 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You, sir, are filled with your own self-importance.

These were my questions:

Whose "fact"? Actually you claim many "facts". Where are they? Got links?

I see, your opinion stands in for "facts".

Tsk, tsk. You spew your opinions around, tinged with a touch of arrogance. But you fail to even present you case with facts or links.

And I'm supposed to be impressed with your verbiage? Ha! Any thinking Freeper can see through you for your lack of "facts". It certainly does not convince me to take you seriously.

Have a nice day.

49 posted on 01/11/2007 2:33:53 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I attended public school in southern Arkansas and had an excellent preparation for college.

Must have been a long time back. When I attended public school in Arkansas the schools were so worthless my mother pulled me and my siblings out and home-schooled us all. My sister, at the time of being removed from public school, had the goals in life of wanting to be a cheerleader and a waitress. Within a year of being at home for school she wanted to be a pilot and an astronaut. She got as far as being a Marine combat pilot. She decided to forgo the astronaut part so she could start a family and homeschool her own kids. Along the way she got an engineering degree from a top university.
50 posted on 01/11/2007 2:35:06 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Oberon
Well, it's one answer to a few things.

Namely, the question of "how do I ensure that my kids are well educated, protected, and instructed in the religious and moral values I want them to learn?"

51 posted on 01/11/2007 2:39:15 PM PST by JenB
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To: justshutupandtakeit
95%+ of our Armed Forces are public school graduates.

Gee, do you think that might be because more than 95% of everyone in the US was public educated. That is a meaningless statistic. Yeah public schools are not totally worthless, or they did not use to be... there is a huge difference in the quality of what they teach now from what there was 20, 40, or 60 years ago. The decline has been a steady trend.
52 posted on 01/11/2007 2:39:20 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Few parents can teach math, languages, grammar, history, science or any other subject which has any substance to it.

Statistics show otherwise. I have seen studies that show even mothers without a highschool diploma can homeschool kids to a level that scores much higher than average on standardized tests. And, no, I am not going to bother to look them up for you.
53 posted on 01/11/2007 2:43:46 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: goodnesswins

Buying school food is an indoctrination to fast food, which the lefties are apparently against also. But that's lefty logic for you.


54 posted on 01/11/2007 2:48:40 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: JenB

That's one of 'em, yeah.


55 posted on 01/11/2007 2:51:55 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It works for some students because of the PARENTS.

I hope you'll pardon me for saying this, but...

Duh.

56 posted on 01/11/2007 2:53:12 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: AmericanChef
Buying school food is an indoctrination to fast food, .....

How so?

57 posted on 01/11/2007 2:53:16 PM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: goodnesswins

My children graduated 9 and 4 yrs ago and I saw little difference in the teaching from the Public School (admittedly one of the best) and the Lutheran school in terms of content.

While Mr. Gradgrind and our teachers might have become upset with poor spelling its acceptance does not mean the collapse of Western Civilization. Now such concerns are not as great given the spellchecker and such.


58 posted on 01/11/2007 3:05:45 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: eyespysomething

--Plus I can make special things they like (like chicken quesadillas) and I know they are eating it.--

But what are the trading values of quesadillas?


59 posted on 01/11/2007 3:10:12 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Now such concerns are not as great given the spellchecker and such.

LOL!!!!

In our house Mommy is the spellchecker :) She's 8, and though I let her play around using Word, Daddy disabled the spellchecker.

60 posted on 01/11/2007 3:37:35 PM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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