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Former Mass. Gov. Romney confirms stance on right to bear arms
BRANDETON HERALD ^ | 12 JANUARY 2007 | AP

Posted on 01/12/2007 7:08:01 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

ORLANDO, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney touted his conservative credentials at a gun show Friday, where he met with a GOP-friendly crowd in an effort to garner support for his 2008 campaign.

"I support the right of individuals to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution," said Romney, former governor of Massachusetts.

Romney, who has launched a presidential exploratory committee, appeared at the Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade Show with his wife, Ann, and Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association.

Romney spent about an hour walking among the booths and greeting some of the more than 40,000 outdoor enthusiasts, law enforcement officials and industry representatives attending the show, which featured exhibits from major firearms and ammunitions manufacturers.

Romney also took a private phone call from former President George H.W. Bush. He wished Bush a speedy recovery from hip replacement surgery he had last week.

"I can't wait to watch you skydive again," Romney told Bush, referring to Bush's tandem jump in 2004 on his 80th birthday.

Romney described himself as an outdoorsman, but admitted that he was not a firearms expert.

"As a boy, I worked on a ranch in Idaho and shot rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle," Romney said. "After a while my cousin said 'you're not very good at that. Try using this semiautomatic.'"

Romney said he once owned a pistol, but doesn't own any firearms now.


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1 posted on 01/12/2007 7:08:05 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Pukin Dog

BUMP


2 posted on 01/12/2007 7:09:35 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Did someone think he was anti 2nd amendment ?
3 posted on 01/12/2007 7:11:34 PM PST by fantom
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To: fantom
Did someone think he was anti 2nd amendment

Lot of FReepers believe he was anti gun.

But his statements made here are as clear as a bell. Notice that Romney doesn't say he "supports the right of hunters to own guns" as most other politicians do. He clearly points out that keep and bear arms are guaranteed under the Constitution.

4 posted on 01/12/2007 7:15:47 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Romney is looking strong. Watch for the BGlobe and the NYT to attack hard. Now that CNN has partnered with a Clinton polling company, we should see some interesting things from them too.


5 posted on 01/12/2007 7:19:57 PM PST by Bahbah (.Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If he was that big of a 2nd supporter, he should have pushed the Mass legislature harder to loosen Mass's ridiculous gun laws.

(yeh, yeh, I know: might as well expect him to be able to lift El Capitan. Still, he should have at least publicly tried).


6 posted on 01/12/2007 7:23:32 PM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Looks like Bush the Elder is setting us up again. Wasn't the Baker Commission enough?


7 posted on 01/12/2007 7:29:51 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Romney said he once owned a pistol, but doesn't own any firearms now.

Boy, that really raises MY comfort level concerning this posing RINO.

And then there's his seemingly CONTRIVED statement that his cousin supposedly uttered so many years ago, "Try using this semiautomatic". Sounds like John Kerry's carefully chosen, yet totally fabricated statements he made when trying to get our 'gun vote" last time around.

Now that Mitt's running for office, he talks the talk (while admitting he's no firearms expert), but he doesn't walk the walk. In other words, he doesn't LIVE the 2nd Amendment, so he's no better than John Kerry, and other posing politicians willing to say what they need to say to fool us into voting for them.

Not gonna happen Mitt.

I believe that if the dems are FOR something, then we should be AGAINST it. Likewise, if massatwoshits hyper-liberal voters put Mitt in office, then we should probably forget making him our president.

Ol' Mitt's a little too slick for me to trust. There are better men than him, RINO-Rudy, and mcCain out there,m so let's pick one of THEM.

8 posted on 01/12/2007 7:32:04 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: fantom
Did someone think he was anti 2nd amendment ?

Yeah. I think that had something to do with his support for the Assualt Weapons Ban and the Brady Bill.

9 posted on 01/12/2007 7:45:52 PM PST by Gelato
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
His statements on signing the Massachusetts Assault Weapons ban were very clear. He should specifically address those statements, and his other anti RKBA statements.

He went to a gun show and gave a speech, and Kerry went to a bait shop and said "Kin ah git me a hunting license heah?"

Should I have trusted Kerry, when he made such a statement?

Romney will convince many here who don't know his history- look up his past statements and ask him why he said them.
10 posted on 01/12/2007 7:47:38 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

And he points out "individual" rights as opposed to states or the militia.


11 posted on 01/12/2007 7:49:51 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: DocH
Doc , as a former masshole i can tell you he is no gun grabber. Besides that is a group he will really need . Anyway ,the more pressure you put on all of the wannabees , the bigger the issue becomes. Make them all state their views on the second in public and on the record. No matter what else , no pub can win if not totally committed to speech and gun rights. I would be interested in hearing the official position on him by the other gun rights activists, especially Mr. La Pierre..
12 posted on 01/12/2007 7:50:34 PM PST by fantom
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To: fantom
Maybe it was his support for the 1994 AWB and the Brady Bill that had everyone thinking he was not pro 2A.

Mitt Romney on the Issues

13 posted on 01/12/2007 7:51:14 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: DBrow

What you said...


14 posted on 01/12/2007 7:51:25 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Little Pig
If he was that big of a 2nd supporter, he should have pushed the Mass legislature harder to loosen Mass's ridiculous gun laws.

Exactly, words are one thing, actions another. I don't see any actions here, just words.

15 posted on 01/12/2007 7:52:19 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Little Pig
loosen Mass's ridiculous gun laws.

Well he did make them drop the requirement that Pardinis and .22 Walthers be dropped on concrete to prove their worthiness (samples only).

But he did say that nobody needs Assault Weapons, they are just designed for hunting and killing people, then signed a ban that requires citizens to get special Class A permits to keep their AR target guns or even .22 S&W model 41's (they were originally sold with a 12 round mag, making them more deadly than other pistols).

But he did nothing for the people there in his 3.2 years (then he started campaigning for the last .8), so it is STILL up to the police chief's discretion whether or not you get to buy a gun or keep one in your home.
16 posted on 01/12/2007 7:52:38 PM PST by DBrow
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To: P8riot

He will have to answer for that . Lets make sure that all of these guys records and positions on this are made clear. No bad can come from this .


17 posted on 01/12/2007 7:54:28 PM PST by fantom
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To: DBrow
Comparing Romney to Kerry is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Do you honestly think that Romney, or Rudy for that matter, will come out against the 2nd Amendment? Even possible Democrat presidential contenders are going to embrace the 2nd like it's the last woman on Earth. No Republican is that stupid to support an assault-weapons or any other anti-gun bill or ban as President. He'll be tarred and feathered like the colonists did to the tax collectors.

What's making the 2008 election unique, is that past statements are going to have a negligle impact on the race. Everything is a clean slate now.

18 posted on 01/12/2007 7:57:19 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Screw Romney. Vote for a real conservative who can also win - Duncan Hunter.


19 posted on 01/12/2007 7:57:39 PM PST by bluetone006 (Peace - or I guess war if given no other option)
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To: fantom
"no pub can win if not totally committed to speech and gun rights."

No, they must merely convince us that they are, that their former statements were, um, not applicable.

It worked in the midterms- all the plans for Iraq the dems had evaporated.

You think that Romney, with his open support of Brady Act and Assault Weapons bans, will appoint someone to SCOTUS who is a staunch RKBA supporter, or put one in as AG?

Or will he put in someone who believes that Assault Weapons are more dangerous than other rifles, who thinks big mags on a $900 .22 target gun are deadly, and a 5 or 15 day wait is OK?

All he has to do is convince people that his history is moot, once he's in office, he'll have at least four years to keep kids safe from AR-15s.
20 posted on 01/12/2007 7:59:15 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Bahbah

I think the general public will really like him. I heard he polled as looking most presidential somewhere. Speaking of slick, that was the word on Clinton too, and helped him be elected, and if these people think Mitt is slick, that's a good thing, lol... Mitt will make a good prez though and we won't have to worry about stains.......


21 posted on 01/12/2007 8:00:55 PM PST by libbylu
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
But his statements made here are as clear as a bell. Notice that Romney doesn't say he "supports the right of hunters to own guns" as most other politicians do. He clearly points out that keep and bear arms are guaranteed under the Constitution.

I don't know anything about him except what I have recently read on this forum, and I don't have an axe to grind against him. (Unlike Rudy & McStain.) That said, his statement about "rights guaranteed under the Constitution" rings hollow, when many people argue the Constitution protects the right of states to arm National Guard members. Kerry "supported the Second Amendment" and so did Gore, so when someone talks about the rights "guaranteed" by a particular document, I simply have to be skeptical and ask what sort of rights, and whose rights? In particular, I'd like to know what sort of gun control law he thinks violates the Constitutional protection. Apparently from reading this thread, I gather that he thinks neither Brady nor the AWB manages to infringe. That's two strikes as far as I'm concerned.

22 posted on 01/12/2007 8:03:47 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: fantom
You may be right, but Mitt's so slick that, at this point, I am cynical about what he says.

I am a NRA life member, and I usuaully go along with their suggestions regarding who would be best to vote for when it comes to 2nd Amendment issues. However, I haven't always agered with their choices, and have voted for the opposite candidate. What is particularly galling to me is when the democrat and republican have identical, or close, NRA "grades" (i.e., A, A-, etc.). I wrote and complained to them that, given MOST democrats dismal track record on support of our 2A, when given such a scenario - they should ALWAYS support the republican.

Like you, I'll be interested to see what Wayne LaPierre and my NRA say about Romney, but I'll also be checking to see what some other, more strident pro-gun organizations (like GOA) dig up on him as well.

No matter what, I am SURE there are better men out there that have unquestionable conservative credentials (why can't we find a younger Dick Cheney who isn't afraid to not only VOICE his support for our 2A, shooting, and hunting, but to LIVE it), and I believe they CAN win if given the chance and supported to the hilt by the republican powers that be, and us voters of course.

Glad to hear you are a refugee from The Peoples Republic of massachusetts.

23 posted on 01/12/2007 8:07:19 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Comparing Romney to Kerry is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?"

Not at all. Kerry is acceptable to the socialist gun grabbers in Mass (Kennedy too) and they elected Romney- he's acceptable to them.

Kerry, when it was clear that his anti RKBA record was hurting him, posed with shotguns, did the horrible kin ah git... thing, shot a goose, maybe, but refused to be photoed with it, told stories about his many hunting experiences. So I'd forget his antigun votes.

Mitt told a story in which he couldn't hit a rabbit with a bolt action, so his cousin said he needed a semiauto. Gee, semis are more deadly, so he should have hit the rabbit fer sure, don't you think? (MY cousin taught me sight alignment, breathe, hold, and squeeze the shot, rather than switching me to a "deadlier" firearm).

Romney grandstanded just like Karry at a gun show. So that I'd forget what Mitt said about deadly Assault Weapons and neglect his lack of care about the socialist gun policies in Mass.

Sure, I can compare them, I just did!

Why do you want me to believe there is to be a clean slate? Why should these Republicans who are demonstrably soft on RKBA have their pasts ignored? I think there is no clean slate and that what they said in 2004, or signed into law, or voted on, should be scrutinized closely.


24 posted on 01/12/2007 8:13:38 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DocH
You may be right, but Mitt's so slick that, at this point, I am cynical about what he says.

You're skeptical for good reason. Mitt has two positions on every issue.

25 posted on 01/12/2007 8:14:37 PM PST by Gelato
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Doesn't this represent a change from Mitt's position when he was running against Ted Kennedy in 1994? I haven't read the transcript, or watched the tape, so I don't know.


26 posted on 01/12/2007 8:16:43 PM PST by Torie
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Now all he needs to do is spend a weekend at Ted Nugent's house.
27 posted on 01/12/2007 8:20:55 PM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
All I can say, is his stance on 2nd Amendment issues have either dramatically changed, or this is posturing. It certainly doesn't match legislation he has passed in MA, nor his stances on this issue in the past.
28 posted on 01/12/2007 8:24:05 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: libbylu; Bahbah; Extremely Extreme Extremist
"I think the general public will really like him. I heard he polled as looking most presidential somewhere."

I hadn't heard about that poll, but Mitt Romney is definitely personable, expressive, and telegenic in video media. He was named one of People magazine’s 50 most beautiful people in 2002. That definitely works to his advantage in the unmarried female demographic group, and Republicans typically poll much lower than Democrats in that important group.

29 posted on 01/12/2007 8:28:56 PM PST by Unmarked Package (Amazing surprises await us under cover of a humble exterior.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; fantom
"his statements made here are as clear as a bell. Notice that Romney doesn't say he "supports the right of hunters to own guns" as most other politicians do. He clearly points out that keep and bear arms are guaranteed under the Constitution."

Yeah, we need to support a liar. After all, his heart is in the right place!

"Governor Mitt Romney has signed into law a permanent assault weapons ban that he says will make it harder for criminals to get their hands on these guns. ..."

30 posted on 01/12/2007 8:29:29 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Gelato
"Yeah. I think that had something to do with his support for the Assualt Weapons Ban and the Brady Bill."




Maybe that is because of WHAT is considered an assault weapon by that legislation, and the Brady bill. Also he passed legislation that leaves licenses completely up to the town police officer/s who can deny for no reason at all, simply because they don't feel like issuing you one. You could have had one for 20 years and have an exemplary record, and if that guy doesn't want to give out your renewal, you are sol.
31 posted on 01/12/2007 8:30:13 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: DBrow

Exactly right!


32 posted on 01/12/2007 8:32:40 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: streetpreacher
"And he points out "individual" rights as opposed to states or the militia."

Lots of people can point. I can point to his signature on the MA semi-auto ban.

33 posted on 01/12/2007 8:35:12 PM PST by spunkets
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To: DBrow
"You think that Romney, with his open support of Brady Act and Assault Weapons bans, will appoint someone to SCOTUS who is a staunch RKBA supporter, or put one in as AG?"


Folks should check out his appointments to those posts in MA!! That is a real eye opener!
34 posted on 01/12/2007 8:36:37 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Gelato
"Mitt has two positions on every issue."

LOL!

35 posted on 01/12/2007 8:37:08 PM PST by spunkets
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To: DocH
"What is particularly galling to me is when the democrat and republican have identical, or close, NRA "grades" (i.e., A, A-, etc.). I wrote and complained to them that, given MOST democrats dismal track record on support of our 2A, when given such a scenario - they should ALWAYS support the republican."

I know exactly how you feel about this. The NRA endorsed the Democrat candidate in the majority Republican district of Texas CD-22 (Tom DeLay's former district) in 2006 even though our Republican candidate had an equivalent A rating from the NRA. It was infuriating.

36 posted on 01/12/2007 8:45:34 PM PST by Unmarked Package (Amazing surprises await us under cover of a humble exterior.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
But his statements made here are as clear as a bell. Notice that Romney doesn't say he "supports the right of hunters to own guns" as most other politicians do. He clearly points out that keep and bear arms are guaranteed under the Constitution.

I disagree. His statement could be quite weasely. "As guaranteed by the constitution" leaves open the question, what does he think the constitution guarantees in that regard?

37 posted on 01/12/2007 8:45:54 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Torie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

His reply is good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRq5-SntFJM

I can't find text of the debate transcripts, unfortunately. maybe your google skillz are better honed than me- this is all I could dredge.
38 posted on 01/12/2007 8:46:17 PM PST by DBrow
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To: gidget7

"That is a real eye opener!"

Inform us! Please!


39 posted on 01/12/2007 8:47:31 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Romney supports the strict enforcement of gun laws. He is a supporter of the federal assault weapons ban. Mitt also believes in the rights of those who hunt to responsibly own and use firearms.

http://race42008.com/mitt-romney/

40 posted on 01/12/2007 8:53:14 PM PST by Mini-14
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So far among the big 3 (Rudy, McCain, & Mitt), Romney has the least negatives with me. I think he is sharp witted and personable. However, he has a rather unremarkable record as Mass. governor. His only major accomplishment as Governor was rescuing a drowning victim while on vacation. Humorously, the RATS tried to make the rescue into a scandal by claiming Mitt acted as an unlicensed lifeguard.
41 posted on 01/12/2007 8:54:09 PM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: bluetone006
Screw Romney. Vote for a real conservative who can also win - Duncan Hunter.

You know and I know that realistically Hunter doesn't have a chance. He's just raising his profile for a VP or Secretary of Defense position in a future GOP administration here. That's all his Presidential run is about.

42 posted on 01/12/2007 8:57:52 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Mitt Romney Whips Out the John Kerry Playbook

Just once, can't we get a presidential candidate to simply go to the range with an AR-15 (or equivalent, scary-looking piece of hardware) and blast away at targets for an afternoon? Why do we always get stuck with this fake hunting trip bullshit?

Mitt under fire for hunt: Romney catches flak after quail kill

White House hopeful Gov. Mitt Romney's Georgia GOP hunting party bagged plenty of quail, but the political outing backfired when it was revealed the birds had been fenced in, creating a flap with animal rights activists.

The governor and 15 others piled into four buggies at The Lodge at Cabin Bluff in Georgia and killed several quail Tuesday, according to preserve manager Patty Daniels.

"They did kill quite a few quail. But I don't know how many he personally killed," Daniels said of Romney.

A spokesman confirmed Romney took part in the "Sportsmen's Challenge" at the Republican Governors Association conference in Georgia but ducked questions about whether the governor personally shot any animals.

[rolls eyes]

Do any of these bozos think these canned hunting trip photo-ops (hmmm...I wonder if Hillary's been fitted for her camo pantsuit yet) actually help to bolster their image as a pro-gun rights candidate? If anything, I have to think they have the exact opposite effect - at least where true 2nd Amendment supporters are concerned.

It's not like Romney's got a strong track record of fighting for our gun rights in the Commonwealth over the last few years. And, no, the fact that my new-version LTC actually fits in my wallet doesn't count. Nor does the fact that it's valid for 5+ years, as opposed to 3+ years, as they used to be.

Along those lines, if I'm still a Massachusetts resident five years from now, you all have permission to come to my house and bitch-slap me silly.

43 posted on 01/12/2007 8:59:04 PM PST by Mini-14
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To: spunkets

Just making an observation. I'm not in anyone's corner.


44 posted on 01/12/2007 8:59:12 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Hunter doesn't have a chance."

But his past is wiped clean, E^3! That gives him as much of a chance as Rudy!

He could be president, and Romney could be his chief of staff. His business past makes him ideal for that.


45 posted on 01/12/2007 9:00:11 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow
You are an idiot.
46 posted on 01/12/2007 9:01:02 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Unmarked Package
The NRA is incumbent friendly. The group endorsed Harry Reid for re-election.

In the TX-22, the RAT candidate Nick Lampson did compile a satisfactory voting record for the NRA for 6 years when he was in that other Congressional district. But it makes no difference in 2008. Lampson going to be gone in 2008.
47 posted on 01/12/2007 9:01:56 PM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: DBrow

Good job. Nothing on guns it turns out.


48 posted on 01/12/2007 9:02:02 PM PST by Torie
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To: Pukin Dog

Thank you for your opinion, Pukin Dog!

You are a gentleman.


49 posted on 01/12/2007 9:02:14 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Torie

No, the Youtube flap focuses on gays and abortion and affirmitive action.

I can't get the debate transcript itself.


50 posted on 01/12/2007 9:03:23 PM PST by DBrow
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