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Meltdown! The world is feeling the heat of global warming. (Please help me!)
Time for Kids ^ | January 12, 2007 | None listed

Posted on 01/13/2007 6:44:00 AM PST by drellberg

"In 15 years, scientists say, the snows of Kilimanjaro will simply melt away. ... Kilimanjaro is not the only place that is threatened. Glaciers and polar ice are melting. Coral reefs are dying as the seas get too warm. Lakes and rivers in colder climates are freezing later and thawing earlier each year, disrupting the life cycles of native plants and animals. What is causing this breakdown in nature?

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Please help me. I live in a liberal midwestern college town, and next to Iraq this is the subject on everyone's lips. My kids get stuff like this in handouts from school and come home saying that the world is doomed.

I need to get up to speed. Can anyone recommend a good open-minded, even analysis of the underlying basic science? I'm not inclined to think that global warming is a non-issue. I just want an evenhanded and credible account. Ideally, I would have citations to seminal articles so I could go dig them up in the library.

1 posted on 01/13/2007 6:44:03 AM PST by drellberg
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To: drellberg
There is one source of global warming. The Sun. If you can get someone to take that mental leap into reality you're halfway there.
2 posted on 01/13/2007 6:47:27 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: drellberg
Bjorn Lomborg's The Skeptical Environmentalist. 3500 references. As an added bonus, he began the work to prove the environmentalist's case, just like John Lott wanted to show how bad guns were. But what both of their researches showed, was that the opposite of their deeply held beliefs were true, and both had the intellectual integrity to change their minds.
3 posted on 01/13/2007 6:47:40 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: drellberg

Meanwhile, hard freeze and record cold hits California. New Zealand temps lowest in 78 years. India and Pakistan temp go below freezing.

When it's warm in one place, it tends to be colder somewhere else.

The earth has been gradually warming on its own for many years.


4 posted on 01/13/2007 6:49:39 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: drellberg
California is in the grip of a record cold wave and liberals are worried about global warming?? Hahahahaha!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 01/13/2007 6:50:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
California is in the grip of a record cold wave

We should give the liberal disclaimer that "all above normal, normal, and below normal temperatures are caused by global warming".

6 posted on 01/13/2007 6:52:51 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault
The earth has been gradually warming on its own for many years.

While that is true, one fact often ignored by the Global Warming wackos is that during the 20th century the overall temperature of the earth cooled.....

7 posted on 01/13/2007 6:53:33 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Exactly.

It might have something to do with that big bright light in the sky.

Hmmmmmmmmm!


8 posted on 01/13/2007 6:53:58 AM PST by SomeoneNeedsToSayIt
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To: drellberg

If Mother Nature is to be controled then Mother Nature needs to be obeyed. We have to take it as it comes we are not God.


9 posted on 01/13/2007 6:55:42 AM PST by Big Horn (Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal . Author unknown)
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To: drellberg; coloradan

"Bjorn Lomborg's 'The Skeptical Environmentalist.' 3500 references."

I second that reference. And excellent resource, though you'll have to adjust how you explain it to your kids to an age-appropriate level.


10 posted on 01/13/2007 6:57:18 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: drellberg

All this talk of global warming is getting old - the folks in Denver CO (temp -2degrees F) don't see any "global warming" around them!


11 posted on 01/13/2007 6:57:46 AM PST by Ken522
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To: drellberg

Can't wait until the snows on Mount Ararat melt and we know once and for all if there's an ark up there or not.


12 posted on 01/13/2007 6:58:40 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Right Wing Assault

sure wish we had a little global warming here 4 degrees at 6:00 a.m. bottom of the sierras has to be several degrees below 0 at higher elevation to cold to golf and way to cold to ski


13 posted on 01/13/2007 7:04:09 AM PST by mt tom
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To: drellberg
I have found that the best way to deal with the "global warming" crowd is to just laugh it off, make fun of them...that pisses them off more than reams of "scientific data".

After we had our first frost, I told a lib at work that I had to "scrape some of that global warming off my windshield this morning". Well, that got a laugh out of everyone there, and frustrated him so bad he went back to his office and sulked for half a day.

Later, I asked him why all of these recent "global warming conferences" were cancelled on account of snow". That ticked him off too.

To top off his day, I told him that "if it weren't for global warming, we'd still be in the great ice age". For four days he didn't even say 'good morning' after that.

Treat them like an adult trying to convince another adult that there is - in fact - a tooth fairy. Global warming is the old "the world will end tomorrow" of the 21st century.

The bottom line - if by some slim chance there is something to it, what are we to do about it? Are they telling me if every internal combustion engine and every farting cow on the plant were eradicated tomorrow that we wouldn't have global warming?

IF there is such a thing as global warming, what is the short-term cure? The long-term cure?

What it comes down to is these people are desciples of algore, with a 'chicken little' mentality, gracing us all with a warning of impending doom and gloom. They're the first on your block to know more than you about your future, and you should listen to them because they are enlightened liberals, and they know more than you.

(sarcasm machine off)
14 posted on 01/13/2007 7:04:28 AM PST by FrankR (Global warming means longer summers...)
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To: drellberg
ACRIMSAT

Variations in Total Solar Irradiance
The ACRIM I instrument was the first to clearly demonstrate that the total radiant energy emanating from the sun was not a constant, and varied in proportion to solar magnetic activity. However, the sun’s output changes so slowly and solar variability is so slight (less than 0.00425% of the total energy per year on time scales of days), that continuous monitoring by state-of-the-art instrumentation is necessary to detect changes with climate significance. Scientists theorize that as much as 25% of the 20th century anticipated global warming of the Earth may be due to changes in the sun’s energy output. Systematic changes in irradiance as little as 0.25% per century can cause the complete range of climate variations that have occurred in the past, ranging from ice ages to global tropical conditions. For example, scientists believe the "Little Ice Age" that occured in Europe in the late 17th century could have been related to the minimum in sunspot activity (and a correlated minimum in total solar irradiance) that occured during the same period.

Link to article on NASA's site.

15 posted on 01/13/2007 7:04:44 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: coloradan

Thanks to those who offered up Lomborg. I promise to read it cover to cover. Also, is there a shorter piece, or a scientist who I should follow who my professor friends would find credible (i.e., tenured at a leading American university)?

Again, thanks.


16 posted on 01/13/2007 7:05:14 AM PST by drellberg
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To: Ken522

I am in Norman OK and don't see any warming around me right now too! I knew it was going to get cold when the Dims took over and Boxer started talking about global warming as the Chairman of the committee. We are freezing here this weekend and in between winter storms.


17 posted on 01/13/2007 7:06:14 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Take Back the House and Senate -- Rudy/Allen 2008!)
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To: drellberg
I'd blame it all on this guy!


18 posted on 01/13/2007 7:07:02 AM PST by sono (For everyone but America the free world is mostly a free ride. - Mark Steyn)
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To: drellberg
Well this is a pleasant thought, given that it is 21 degrees in Lodi, Ca this morning. This is a place that rarely drops below freezing. Oh yes, the wind chill brings it to 13 degrees so I am digging out my warmest clothing.

Seriously, earlier this year I read that Canada had the warmest winter on record last year. Later on in the article it said that Canada had been keeping weather records since 1948. That means I am older than the record that they are basing their facts on. The samples that they are using are simply too small to figure anything out.

Statistic are just that. Meaningless when taken out of context. Here is an example. This is an absolutely true statement. "50% of the girls in my 1st grade class have been diagnosed with breast cancer". Sounds pretty awful doesn't it. However, when I tell you that there were 2 girls in my class, it changes your perception doesn't it.

19 posted on 01/13/2007 7:08:22 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: drellberg
I just Googled "Kilimanjaro current temperature" and got this link:

http://www.geo.umass.edu/climate/tanzania/synopsis.html

..."Clearly, the mechanism of accumulation well known from glaciers elsewhere (i.e., densification of snow to firn to ice) does not apply on Kilimanjaro. This misunderstanding may be the cause of abundant confusion appearing in recent news reports, such as: “In 15 years, scientists say, the snows of Kilimanjaro will simply melt away” (Time for Kids, p. 4 on 4-24-2001)."

..."The date was 3 October 1889, three days before Meyer and Ludwig Purtscheller became the first to ascend the mountain. In his book Across East African Glaciers: an account of the first ascent of Kilimanjaro (1891), Meyer goes on to write:


"In the great snowfields, which in July partially covered the slopes of Kibo from the ice-cap to the saddle plateau, the snow near the base was soft and flaky, whilst higher up it was dry and granular. In October, when all the snowfields had disappeared, there was likewise comparatively little snow to be met with on the ice-cap. Over large areas the surface of the ice was covered with granular morsels, half-way between ice and snow, the surface of which was slushy during the day and afforded excellent footing."

Check here to get the weather report from (Mt Kibo)Kilimanjaro:

http://www.geo.umass.edu/climate/tanzania/current.html

"Air Temperature (mean) -6.4 °C
Relative Humidity (mean) 80 %
[most humid month in 4 years]
Wind Speed (mean) 22.9 km/hr
Solar Radiation (mean daily max) 872 W/m2
Surface Height (net change) +25.8 cm
Yeah - 2006 short rains bring snow! "

Kilimanjaro's problem is lack of snow, hot high temperatures. Daytime free air temperature at 10,000' in East Africa averages about 6 degrees Celcius. We once had a snowball fight with our children in Kenya, about 3 miles north of the Equator. We were at about 9,100' elevation at the time, standing in 4" of SNOW!
20 posted on 01/13/2007 7:08:24 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("Actions have consequences.")
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To: drellberg

ABOVE -- Graph of temp over 400,000 years
BELOW -- The MSM friendly, commonly used, version, only showing the last 2,000 years and the 'hockey stick' ending. Total misrepresentation.




"Global Warming" is actually due to the tilt of the Earth which varies from 22.5 degrees to about 24 degrees. Its why we have seasons, and some times of the year have 24hr darkness in some places. Anyway, the overall cycle from min to max angle takes 40,000 and every 'ice age' is a multiple of 40,000 of earlier ones. At least the 7 recorded ones currently. Not every 40,000 does it swap (sometimes 'thaws' are skipped until next rotation).

Point is... the Global Warming that does exists, is WAY beyond our control, and on the order of tens of thousands of years. Media and biased reporting always just culls the data set way to narrowly to make their PoV 'true'
21 posted on 01/13/2007 7:09:22 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: drellberg

My husband is a geoscientist, PhD from Caltech. He thinks GW is hooey. There is a lot of research money being poured into GW research and the piggies are at the trough, researching what is being paid for.

Let's say the earth is warmer right now than it was 50 years ago. Can you prove that SUV's cause it? They are irrelevant compared to the SUN, a huge ball of fire. How do you then explain the fluctuations of climate back through time, when there were NO SUVs?

I think it has a lot to do with the liberal agenda of: "SUVs are bad; we need alternative energy; WalMart is bad; cigarettes are bad. WE ARE IN CONTROL and if we do things right, WE WILL NOT DIE."


22 posted on 01/13/2007 7:09:28 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: drellberg

http://junkscience.com/


23 posted on 01/13/2007 7:10:43 AM PST by WSGilcrest (Mikey likes it!)
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To: sono

I am offended by the propaganda nature of this Time for kids, and I think you should be too. Scaring children with dubious statements about mountains on the other side of the world is wrong, imho. Object. (to the original poster)


24 posted on 01/13/2007 7:12:33 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: drellberg
Here's a link that's difficult to reconcile with the 'Bush's fault' crowd.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_snow_011206-1.html
25 posted on 01/13/2007 7:13:48 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: coloradan
Dittos on the Blomborg book - the environmentalists hate it, but they don't refute it. Even Nature took a shot, but devolved into personal attacks. Another mega-stature environmentalist that came in from the cold is Dr. Patrick Moore, one of the original seven founders of Greenpeace. His website is here: [ http://www.greenspirit.com/index.cfm ]. Still another website of interest would be Dr. Fredick Seitz and the Oregon Petition, found here: [ http://www.oism.org/pproject/ ]. This site debunks the human based concept of global warming and has been endorsed by about 20,000 signatory science degrees.

If you can't get the links to open, cut and paste.
26 posted on 01/13/2007 7:13:51 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("I'll build the g--d---- fence if they want it." -- John McCain, A Modern Profile In Courage)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Oh yeah, and the data shows that the 'ice ages' are getting longer. There are more cycles where the 'thaw' does not happen and is missed. Extending the 'ice age' another round.

Now its nothing we are doing because we are basing it on the last 7 freeze/thaw cycles (which go back 400,000 years), but technically Earth is currently in one of the 'hotter' cycles, and should be expected to start cool in a few thousand years if nature takes it course. (This is why the Envrio-whackos get all confused with 'global warming' and 'global cooling')
27 posted on 01/13/2007 7:14:01 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: drellberg

I guess somebody better tell Denver. Right after the media predicted an end to the Rocky Mountains' skiing industry in the next 20 to 30 years due to global warming, Colorado got slammed with winter storms that broke all kinds of records, it's now officially an emergency (you know it's bad when a western state declares an emergency because of the snowfall), and the high temperature today is 9 F.


28 posted on 01/13/2007 7:17:01 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Wow, those graphs are a keeper! Looks like we've had highs and lows every 10,000 years for over 400,000 years! Then that little graph below only shows the trend for the last 1000. Those rascals, but why water down the issue of Global Warming and CO2 emissions with FACTS!
29 posted on 01/13/2007 7:17:28 AM PST by poobear
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To: drellberg
Perhaps Colorado can send some snow to Mt. Kilamanjaro.

Watch for the media to insist that the bitter cold in the midsection and west is due to warming.

30 posted on 01/13/2007 7:18:43 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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WFRV.COM ^ | 12 JANUARY 2007 | CBS
(CBS) SAN FRANCISCO -- The National Weather Service said it expected temperatures to hit record lows Friday night into Saturday morning across much of California as an arctic blast delivered rare snowfalls in low-lying southern cities and put the state's citrus industry on alert. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a State of Emergency citing "conditions of extreme peril to the safety of persons and property ... as a result
31 posted on 01/13/2007 7:18:56 AM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: drellberg

You cannot convince them otherwise no matter how much you try. You are wasting your time and just expending rapport.

Liberals do not think based on facts, they think based on emotion. I have never seen a Liberal change their mind based on facts.

The global warming myth is here to stay for now. We have lost.

It will not go away until Liberals get tired of it. Like pop culture, they will change their focus to some other emotion-based catastrophy in a decade or so.


32 posted on 01/13/2007 7:19:03 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: kinoxi
Hey hey! Don't be distracting the argument by talking about the sun! It's all about the CO2!! /junk science off


33 posted on 01/13/2007 7:21:48 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: drellberg
Please help me. I live in a liberal midwestern college town, and next to Iraq this is the subject on everyone's lips. My kids get stuff like this in handouts from school and come home saying that the world is doomed.

I miss the good old days when everybody was worried about nuclear holocaust.

34 posted on 01/13/2007 7:22:02 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: drellberg

Try the Greening Earth Society:

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/Index.jsp


35 posted on 01/13/2007 7:23:10 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: drellberg
Meltdown! The world is feeling the heat of global warming. (Please help me!),

I am enjoying a rare NY winter with minimal snow. Sorry, can't help you.

36 posted on 01/13/2007 7:24:32 AM PST by tioga (t)
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To: FrankR
a lib at work

Politics and religion are fun to talk about but are taboo at work. It really gets people upset then they are impossible to work with. I love FreeRepublic because it's birds of a feather, very different than a work place.

37 posted on 01/13/2007 7:25:58 AM PST by Reeses
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To: drellberg

Crichton, Heston: You Can't Destroy Earth
December 7, 2004

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/estack/you_cannot_destroy_the_earth.guest.html


RUSH: Okay, we found this Charlton Heston piece. You people will remember this, some of you. Some of you will not. I forget what year. I think this is 1995 when we first aired this. On February 3rd of 1995 Charlton Heston called the program and wanted to read from Michael Crichton's prologue of Jurassic Park, and this is what it sounds like.

HESTON: You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time.
It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. Might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. You think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine.

When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. Hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.

RUSH: Charlton Heston on this program from 1995 in February, and that's from Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park. He called here and wanted to read that. It was in the midst of some, you know, massively insane, absurd, radical environmental argument at the time.


38 posted on 01/13/2007 7:29:48 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: drellberg

will it help melt the Grape Vine? Will it help stop the snows east of Santa Barbara? Will it warm up LA from it current record breaking lows? Help us Al Gore!!


39 posted on 01/13/2007 7:33:12 AM PST by Porterville (Destroy the Death Culture of Socialism)
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To: drellberg
Short answer: The Sun (which is also shrinking ice caps on Mars.) As for Kilamanjaro; moisture levels are way down because of deforestation around the mountain. Temperature on the mountain has nothing to do with it.

Ask first, if there IS global warming, is it good or bad ? The answer is good. Secondly, ask what may be causing global warming? Most of us agree man has virtually nothing to do with it, as an honest study of temperature cycles will show.

Man made global warming however provides a HUGE monetary and political incentive. A Kyoto type treaty is a "unassailable" and politically correct guise for socialism--a means to spread money from the rich to the poor.

If you dig, you'll find dire global warming predictions are distorted guesses based upon computer models (for which there is little accurate info) created from whole cloth by scientists with an agenda.

Man made global warming fits nicely into media's need to scare us, which is the bulk what they do.

It's not about weather, or climate, it's about money and power. Facts make NO difference. None....which helps explain lots.

40 posted on 01/13/2007 7:33:26 AM PST by chiller (Old Media is not yet dead. Turn them off and they will die. For the sake of sanity.)
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To: drellberg; cogitator

Climate Audit and Prometheus have some of the leading skeptics, with visits from some of the leading believers.

RealClimate has some of leading the believers, but may censor some of the skeptics. Some skeptics get through.

The discussions range from layman understandable to expert only.

http://www.climateaudit.org/

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=109

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/


41 posted on 01/13/2007 7:34:20 AM PST by secretagent
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To: kinoxi
It's more than just a coincidence that the Polar ice caps on Mars are melting at the same rate as the ones on Earth.
42 posted on 01/13/2007 7:34:53 AM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: drellberg

Well the think that this century temperatures will rise by 2-10 degrees.... well I guess they only have about 93 years left to prove themselves right... but this cold weather really messes up the hystera-science


43 posted on 01/13/2007 7:36:08 AM PST by Porterville (Destroy the Death Culture of Socialism)
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To: drellberg
It was only a handful of years ago that glaciers covered much of the midwest. The great lakes were nothing but big ice cubes a mere 15,000 years ago, and these glaciers retreated without the help of the combustion engine.


44 posted on 01/13/2007 7:37:50 AM PST by Always Right
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To: drellberg
If you really are serious about what is behind the argument on "global warming" then go to "google" search engine, and punch in "UN Agenda 21" and read the agenda of the United Nations to take from Americans their private property, because they, and the enviro-wacko's do not believe in the right to own property.

The UN has state the the biggest obstacle to control of the worlds natural resources is America's private ownership of their lands. What better way to get people to surrender to local governments their rights to their land, to be monitored controlled by a government agency, than to scare the hell out of them, and accuse them of creating this earth endangerment called "global warming." Mars is also warming, did we create that too?
45 posted on 01/13/2007 7:38:26 AM PST by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky" Going back to Iraq soon)
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To: Thermalseeker

Back then they called it Global Cooling. It seems the "scientists" have to have something to bring attention to themselves.

They just can't seem to find the right patentable material to get rich any other way.

Caring about their fellow Earthlings, my rear end.


46 posted on 01/13/2007 7:44:53 AM PST by wizr (Do what you love, your God given talent, and God will provide the rest.)
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To: drellberg
What is causing this breakdown in nature?

Hot air from ignorant reporters and fearmongering politicians.

At risk of betraying something about who I really am or where I really work, I *know* these computer models on an intimate basis. Anyone who believes it's possible to make accurate centuries-in-advance climate predictions from small and incomplete data sets is putting an absolutely barking-mad irrational faith in hardware, software, and Fourier transformations.

But to make it simpler, ask your kids this: why do think they call it Greenland?

Because when the Vikings discovered it a thousand years ago, it was green and suitable for farming, not covered with ice.

47 posted on 01/13/2007 7:45:47 AM PST by Flatus I. Maximus
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To: drellberg

Here is a few links. After you and your kids consume these, write me back and I will give you some more from my collection.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-08/huoj-gwn081203.php

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1131275.stm

http://www.physorg.com/news11710.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93466,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145031,00.html

http://www.oism.org/oism/s32p686.htm


48 posted on 01/13/2007 7:47:49 AM PST by Wuli
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To: mt tom
sure wish we had a little global warming here 4 degrees at 6:00 a.m. bottom of the sierras has to be several degrees below 0 at higher elevation to cold to golf and way to cold to ski

6 degrees here at 7:00 am and 10 below zero at Mammoth Mtn. Ski area.

49 posted on 01/13/2007 7:50:15 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: drellberg

Global warming is scary, I mean I just read that the heat index will peek around July and August this year causing an extremely warm time. Global warming will also cause the day light to be extended in the 24 hour period.


50 posted on 01/13/2007 7:54:40 AM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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