Skip to comments.Meltdown! The world is feeling the heat of global warming. (Please help me!)
Posted on 01/13/2007 6:44:00 AM PST by drellberg
"In 15 years, scientists say, the snows of Kilimanjaro will simply melt away. ... Kilimanjaro is not the only place that is threatened. Glaciers and polar ice are melting. Coral reefs are dying as the seas get too warm. Lakes and rivers in colder climates are freezing later and thawing earlier each year, disrupting the life cycles of native plants and animals. What is causing this breakdown in nature?
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I need to get up to speed. Can anyone recommend a good open-minded, even analysis of the underlying basic science? I'm not inclined to think that global warming is a non-issue. I just want an evenhanded and credible account. Ideally, I would have citations to seminal articles so I could go dig them up in the library.
Meanwhile, hard freeze and record cold hits California. New Zealand temps lowest in 78 years. India and Pakistan temp go below freezing.
When it's warm in one place, it tends to be colder somewhere else.
The earth has been gradually warming on its own for many years.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
We should give the liberal disclaimer that "all above normal, normal, and below normal temperatures are caused by global warming".
While that is true, one fact often ignored by the Global Warming wackos is that during the 20th century the overall temperature of the earth cooled.....
It might have something to do with that big bright light in the sky.
If Mother Nature is to be controled then Mother Nature needs to be obeyed. We have to take it as it comes we are not God.
"Bjorn Lomborg's 'The Skeptical Environmentalist.' 3500 references."
I second that reference. And excellent resource, though you'll have to adjust how you explain it to your kids to an age-appropriate level.
All this talk of global warming is getting old - the folks in Denver CO (temp -2degrees F) don't see any "global warming" around them!
Can't wait until the snows on Mount Ararat melt and we know once and for all if there's an ark up there or not.
sure wish we had a little global warming here 4 degrees at 6:00 a.m. bottom of the sierras has to be several degrees below 0 at higher elevation to cold to golf and way to cold to ski
Variations in Total Solar Irradiance
The ACRIM I instrument was the first to clearly demonstrate that the total radiant energy emanating from the sun was not a constant, and varied in proportion to solar magnetic activity. However, the suns output changes so slowly and solar variability is so slight (less than 0.00425% of the total energy per year on time scales of days), that continuous monitoring by state-of-the-art instrumentation is necessary to detect changes with climate significance. Scientists theorize that as much as 25% of the 20th century anticipated global warming of the Earth may be due to changes in the suns energy output. Systematic changes in irradiance as little as 0.25% per century can cause the complete range of climate variations that have occurred in the past, ranging from ice ages to global tropical conditions. For example, scientists believe the "Little Ice Age" that occured in Europe in the late 17th century could have been related to the minimum in sunspot activity (and a correlated minimum in total solar irradiance) that occured during the same period.
Thanks to those who offered up Lomborg. I promise to read it cover to cover. Also, is there a shorter piece, or a scientist who I should follow who my professor friends would find credible (i.e., tenured at a leading American university)?
I am in Norman OK and don't see any warming around me right now too! I knew it was going to get cold when the Dims took over and Boxer started talking about global warming as the Chairman of the committee. We are freezing here this weekend and in between winter storms.
Seriously, earlier this year I read that Canada had the warmest winter on record last year. Later on in the article it said that Canada had been keeping weather records since 1948. That means I am older than the record that they are basing their facts on. The samples that they are using are simply too small to figure anything out.
Statistic are just that. Meaningless when taken out of context. Here is an example. This is an absolutely true statement. "50% of the girls in my 1st grade class have been diagnosed with breast cancer". Sounds pretty awful doesn't it. However, when I tell you that there were 2 girls in my class, it changes your perception doesn't it.
My husband is a geoscientist, PhD from Caltech. He thinks GW is hooey. There is a lot of research money being poured into GW research and the piggies are at the trough, researching what is being paid for.
Let's say the earth is warmer right now than it was 50 years ago. Can you prove that SUV's cause it? They are irrelevant compared to the SUN, a huge ball of fire. How do you then explain the fluctuations of climate back through time, when there were NO SUVs?
I think it has a lot to do with the liberal agenda of: "SUVs are bad; we need alternative energy; WalMart is bad; cigarettes are bad. WE ARE IN CONTROL and if we do things right, WE WILL NOT DIE."
I am offended by the propaganda nature of this Time for kids, and I think you should be too. Scaring children with dubious statements about mountains on the other side of the world is wrong, imho. Object. (to the original poster)
I guess somebody better tell Denver. Right after the media predicted an end to the Rocky Mountains' skiing industry in the next 20 to 30 years due to global warming, Colorado got slammed with winter storms that broke all kinds of records, it's now officially an emergency (you know it's bad when a western state declares an emergency because of the snowfall), and the high temperature today is 9 F.
Watch for the media to insist that the bitter cold in the midsection and west is due to warming.
You cannot convince them otherwise no matter how much you try. You are wasting your time and just expending rapport.
Liberals do not think based on facts, they think based on emotion. I have never seen a Liberal change their mind based on facts.
The global warming myth is here to stay for now. We have lost.
It will not go away until Liberals get tired of it. Like pop culture, they will change their focus to some other emotion-based catastrophy in a decade or so.
I miss the good old days when everybody was worried about nuclear holocaust.
Try the Greening Earth Society:
I am enjoying a rare NY winter with minimal snow. Sorry, can't help you.
Politics and religion are fun to talk about but are taboo at work. It really gets people upset then they are impossible to work with. I love FreeRepublic because it's birds of a feather, very different than a work place.
Crichton, Heston: You Can't Destroy Earth
December 7, 2004
RUSH: Okay, we found this Charlton Heston piece. You people will remember this, some of you. Some of you will not. I forget what year. I think this is 1995 when we first aired this. On February 3rd of 1995 Charlton Heston called the program and wanted to read from Michael Crichton's prologue of Jurassic Park, and this is what it sounds like.
HESTON: You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time.
It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. Might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. You think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine.
When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. Hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.
RUSH: Charlton Heston on this program from 1995 in February, and that's from Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park. He called here and wanted to read that. It was in the midst of some, you know, massively insane, absurd, radical environmental argument at the time.
will it help melt the Grape Vine? Will it help stop the snows east of Santa Barbara? Will it warm up LA from it current record breaking lows? Help us Al Gore!!
Ask first, if there IS global warming, is it good or bad ? The answer is good. Secondly, ask what may be causing global warming? Most of us agree man has virtually nothing to do with it, as an honest study of temperature cycles will show.
Man made global warming however provides a HUGE monetary and political incentive. A Kyoto type treaty is a "unassailable" and politically correct guise for socialism--a means to spread money from the rich to the poor.
If you dig, you'll find dire global warming predictions are distorted guesses based upon computer models (for which there is little accurate info) created from whole cloth by scientists with an agenda.
Man made global warming fits nicely into media's need to scare us, which is the bulk what they do.
It's not about weather, or climate, it's about money and power. Facts make NO difference. None....which helps explain lots.
Climate Audit and Prometheus have some of the leading skeptics, with visits from some of the leading believers.
RealClimate has some of leading the believers, but may censor some of the skeptics. Some skeptics get through.
The discussions range from layman understandable to expert only.
Well the think that this century temperatures will rise by 2-10 degrees.... well I guess they only have about 93 years left to prove themselves right... but this cold weather really messes up the hystera-science
Back then they called it Global Cooling. It seems the "scientists" have to have something to bring attention to themselves.
They just can't seem to find the right patentable material to get rich any other way.
Caring about their fellow Earthlings, my rear end.
Hot air from ignorant reporters and fearmongering politicians.
At risk of betraying something about who I really am or where I really work, I *know* these computer models on an intimate basis. Anyone who believes it's possible to make accurate centuries-in-advance climate predictions from small and incomplete data sets is putting an absolutely barking-mad irrational faith in hardware, software, and Fourier transformations.
But to make it simpler, ask your kids this: why do think they call it Greenland?
Because when the Vikings discovered it a thousand years ago, it was green and suitable for farming, not covered with ice.
Here is a few links. After you and your kids consume these, write me back and I will give you some more from my collection.
6 degrees here at 7:00 am and 10 below zero at Mammoth Mtn. Ski area.
Global warming is scary, I mean I just read that the heat index will peek around July and August this year causing an extremely warm time. Global warming will also cause the day light to be extended in the 24 hour period.
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