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Unusual vapor trail causes speculation[Top-Secret 'pulse jet' tests]
Dayton Daily News ^ | 08 Jan 2007 | Jim DeBrosse

Posted on 01/15/2007 5:46:27 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman

A photograph taken in Beavercreek has some hoping it's proof of top-secret 'pulse jet' tests.

BEAVERCREEK — A Beavercreek man's photograph of an unusual aircraft condensation trail has sparked a high-flying debate among scientists and aviation fans over whether the Air Force or NASA is flying an aerospace vehicle with an exotic new propulsion system.

The photo of the vapor trail, taken Nov. 10 by amateur meteorologist Bill Telzerow from his backyard, shows a distinctive "doughnuts-on-a-rope" shape.

The photo has raised questions about whether an experimental propulsion system that uses pulse detonation engine technology is being tested here. The propulsion system could potentially hurtle manned craft at six times the speed of sound (Mach 6).

The photo has been downloaded several thousand times each day since it was posted on the Web a week ago by the Federation of American Scientists (www.fas.org/irp/mystery/donuts.html), a Washington, D.C.-based group of scientists and engineers who monitor national policies on technology and research.

"I don't think (the photo) is proof positive, but I think it's interesting and suggestive," said Steven Aftergood, a senior research analyst at the federation.

Similar vapor trail sightings nationwide from 1988 to 1992 fueled speculation that the Air Force was working on a top-secret successor to the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane.

Pulse detonation engines, or pulse jets, contain no moving parts and are lighter and more efficient than regular jet engines.

Fuel is injected into the air inside the tube and ignited in a rapidly-occurring series of pulses. General Electric and Pratt & Whitney are both exploring the technology.

The Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base has conducted runway tests on a small version of a pulse detonation engine, but officials there say they have not yet flown a PDE craft.

Telzerow, a spotter for the National Weather Service, said he was photographing the wind gauge in his backyard when he noticed the unusual formation.

He snapped four photos over several minutes because "I'd never seen anything like it before."

He said he had no idea what it was until he talked to two ex-pilot friends, both of whom speculated it was from a pulse jet.

Tim Fry, an aerospace research engineer at the University of Dayton Research Institute, said he isn't convinced. Vapor trails "do wacky things. There could be any number of atmospheric disturbances going on that could cause it to lump together like that," he said.

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2437 or jdebrosse@DaytonDailyNews.com.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: american; chemtrails; contrails; cuespookymusic; federation; jet; militarytechnology; miltech; of; pulse; scientists; stevenaftergood; topsecret; vaportrail
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I think they call it phased pulse array.

Supposed to have learned it from crashed spaceships.


41 posted on 01/15/2007 7:30:44 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: BallyBill

Exactly!


42 posted on 01/15/2007 7:32:23 PM PST by jesseam
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To: Uriah_lost

LoL


43 posted on 01/15/2007 7:34:04 PM PST by txroadkill (My post may be dumb, but I was named Time Mag's Person of the Year)
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To: fso301

V-1 "Buzz Bomb", British recording from WWII, right?


44 posted on 01/15/2007 7:37:28 PM PST by jonascord ("Don't shoot 'em! Let 'em burn!...")
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To: Joe Boucher
I doubt spacecraft would be using jet fuel.

BTW, I was in the airline industry until very recently... and there is a LOT of buzz about the November 2006 Chicago airport UFO incident. Many pilots and ground personnel saw it. A lot of skeptics are now believers....
45 posted on 01/15/2007 7:39:28 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: CMS

Not just the Blackbird.

46 posted on 01/15/2007 7:41:16 PM PST by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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To: CMS
Yes the SR-71 left them when it flew.

Some problems termed "Un-start" aside, why would the SR-71 which used conventional, if very exotic in detail, axial flow turbojet engines, J58s, create such a "pulse" type trail. I never heard of the Blackbird creating such trails, and I've been following the SR since it was first revealed, and was still treated as a highly classified, but no longer completely "black", asset.


47 posted on 01/15/2007 7:42:03 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: unkus
I have seen vapor trails criss-crossing the sky and then the sky is completely hazey so there is something to it.

Vapor trails are mostly water vapor, they are dispersed by upper level winds and turbulence. However that "blurring" is much less regular than the "donuts on a rope" trails.

48 posted on 01/15/2007 7:46:47 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: StolarStorm

Usually some guy named bubba after a few beers but this was a little more reliable.
Like to see some radar tapes.


49 posted on 01/15/2007 7:47:14 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: fso301

Sounds like a B-36 to me.


50 posted on 01/15/2007 7:49:20 PM PST by NYFreeper
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To: Arcy
This is nothing more than a jet in need of a tuneup and some higher octane fuel.

ROTFLMAO!

Jets just don't work that way. Jet A and JP-8 are pretty high octane to begin with, since they are essentially kerosene or light diesel fuel. Early jet fuels had more of a gasoline component, but not the current ones, ... except some "special fuels" for "special aircraft" such as that for the SR-71, which was actually lower volatility than standard jet fuel (it was used for cooling before being burnt).

Jets can have fuel and air flow problems but those are essentially unrelated to the "octane" of the fuel.

51 posted on 01/15/2007 7:54:58 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Joe Boucher

Hillary flying her broomstick after eating at Benos.


52 posted on 01/15/2007 7:55:58 PM PST by jocko12
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To: AFreeBird
Those are shock diamonds, not engine pulses. It's a sort of standing wave effect, but the engines are running at steady state the whole time, even on short time scales. Turbo-jets, Turbo-fans, and turbo-props are all continuous combustion devices, unlike piston or even Wankel engines (Like in the Mazda RX-8) Although the Wankels are rotary engines. (I had one in a '73 RX-3 station wagon, it was a gas! Always wanted another one.)
53 posted on 01/15/2007 7:59:06 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: jocko12
Hillary flying her broomstick after eating at Benos.

Best and most likely explanation yet!

54 posted on 01/15/2007 8:00:29 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: jocko12
BTW, there is a program on UFO encounters by professional pilots (Airline, military and astronauts) on the History Channel right now, just started at 10 PM Central.

Called something like "Black Box Secrets" of the UFOs

55 posted on 01/15/2007 8:02:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: jonascord
V-1 "Buzz Bomb", British recording from WWII, right?

Correct, also pulsejet powered.

56 posted on 01/15/2007 8:20:02 PM PST by fso301
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To: ErnBatavia
No...that's the Waste Management trash truck missing my curbside can once again. I live in one of our few "cellular friendly" blip areas, so all the drivers use my block to do the Friends And Family thing....sigh

LOL!

57 posted on 01/15/2007 8:22:05 PM PST by fso301
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To: BenLurkin; FLOutdoorsman
"doughnuts-on-a-rope"

Could this mean that policemen will be patrolling in space soon?

58 posted on 01/15/2007 8:26:27 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Los Estados Unidos: el próximo país latino en este hemisferio.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Or Michael Moore.


59 posted on 01/15/2007 8:42:40 PM PST by uglybiker (A bunch of radical Unitarians left a flaming question mark on my lawn!)
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To: FLOutdoorsman; i_dont_chat

Pulse or nebulizer-type pump?

60 posted on 01/15/2007 8:51:45 PM PST by Eastbound
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