I knew that the strigoi have been said to be a problem in some parts of Roumania, but I wasn't aware that it had spread to Croatia. This could REALLY hurt efforts to attract Croatian tourism.
Posted on 01/16/2007 12:17:36 PM PST by Bokababe
LAS VEGAS // President Bush recently echoed Vice President Dick Cheney's support for Croatia to join the European Union, a bid that has been stalled because of the former Yugoslav republic's slowness to own up to and prosecute its 1990s war crimes and its failure to ensure protections and rights for minorities, including returning Serb refugees.
Croatia also faces the possibility of being excluded from the 2008 European soccer championship because when an Italian team's fans taunted the Croatian team's fans at a match in August by waving Yugoslavia's old communist flag, the other side took great offense and showed the competition what it was really made of: They formed a giant human swastika and gave Nazi salutes....
(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...
Thanks Wuli!
So far, 565 reads and counting -- not too bad a number for the audience.
What utter crap. This article is an embarassment to anyone with a brain.
Serbs weren't a faithful ally in WW2. More Serbs collaborated with the Germans than fought against them.
Don't listen to the Serbs. More Serbs collaborated with the Axis than fought against the Axis.
The Croatian Peasant Party didn't pledge allegiance to NDH. It split into 3 parts during the war....a small group joined the Ustashe...a small group joined the AntiFascists...the majority sided with neither hoping that Germany would lose and the West would help them against the Communists.
Why do you want people to read lies?
Upsetting Communists is a sin according to this author and to Serbs as the comments on this thread show.
ask yourself that question. You've posted a big one under this thread.
You speaking for the commie mole James Klugman of British Intelligence or just can't stand to read about the croat nazi past? Wake up---that misinformation campaign that threw the west's support to Tito was outed a while back.
Croat does not equal Ustashe and Serb does not equal Stalinist.
And I am tired of fake stories about Catholic priests kicking pregnant Serbs to death and other such anti-Catholic bigoted twaddle.
No Orthodox believer likes it when I bring up the truth about Orthodox priests who were full members of the Church and who were also members of the Green Shirts in Romania.
But they love to claim that Catholic priests were guards at Jasenovac when a single Franciscan who had been thrown out of his order and excommunicated before Pavelic had even come to power was there.
Right, then these are all actors?
If what was told to me was a lie, then it would have to had been from a man who took that "lie" seriously to give up his family again, give up his town, his country, and his religion -- with no other possible reason to do so. Doesn't make sense to tell such a lie.
You can't handle the truth! The truth is a bummer for fascist R. catholics ain't it?
"because communism is pretty much dead. Whereas Nazi symbols inspire fear, because the Nazis don't have to be in power to start targeting people for harrassment, hate-mongering and death -- they just have to exist in order to be a perceived threat."
What is the practical meaning of "communism", but (1) a state, (2)with a Marxist-oriented party exercising monopoly political control, (3)wherein the state and that party are defacto one and the same, (4) where state control by that party, as well the dispensing of priveleges by the state-party is 100% and (5)brooks 0% dissent.
China is still very much a communist country and is using its booming economy, which operates as state-capitalism, to export its political and economic version of communism through the political friends it is buying and subverting through its foreign aid and trade agreements.
In spite of the ignorant western public's view of China's economy, and in spite of a Chinese "stock market", there is not a major Chinese company, whether it sells stock to the public or not, where the party or some office or unit of the government does not "own" the "majority interest", control or actually are the "board of directors" and do in fact control the company. As short as three years ago, even the travel industry in China was 2/3 owned and/or controlled by the Army in China. China's political economic model of state-capitalism has its closest historical equivalent in Nazi Germany - state controls everything and extreme nationalism is used to as the foil for everything the dictatorship wants to do. Inside China the people know that every "economic freedom" they participate in now is no more than a privelege granted by the dictators, not a right.
The Marxist Chavez in Venezuela is nationalizing all "critical" industries, imprisoning opposition politicians, closing the opposition press and running sham "elections"; while providing arms and oil-money aid to Marxist's coming to power in South America; and making political, economicand military ties with China, Cuba and Iran.
The Marxist Sandinistas have been "elected" in Nicaragua and immediately cemented their "farternal" ties with Chavez and other DICTATORS.
Putin IS the KGB and every week adds another aspect of the economy and society of Russia to what the Kremlin controls directly.
Marxist American professors dominate the college professional organization of American Historians and teach and preach their Marxist-revisionist form of "history" (America is an evil, military, capitalist-imperialist empire-enterprise that is responsible for more death and destruction than any government on earth- so they teach).
The entire edifice of the left's use of activist judges in the American judiciary is nothing other than modern, legal-system version of the "vanguard of the proletariet" and it was dreamed up by American Marxists in the early part of the 1900s as a way to circumvent the democratic process, to a)use the courts to impose what they could never get the people to vote into law, b)while unbinding the judiciary from the written Constitution - creating a judicial oligarchy to serve the reigning political elite - the left.
The lead agents, organizers, fund-raisers at the core of the "immigration reform" demonstrations is an organization named A.N.S.W.E.R. They (their founders and leaders) are, politically speaking, the children and grandchildren of American Bolsheviks who left the American Communist Party when it abandoned Stalin and they would not. The members of that same outfit have been at the core of every "anti-war" movement from the Vietnam era to now.
Putin IS the KGB and every week adds another aspect of the economy and society of Russia to what the Kremlin controls directly.
I could go on and on about the "communists" who now live and work openly in and around the current national Democrats.
Some in Europe are now beginning to see the resurrection of the international left's totalitarian ambitions in what the "EU" elites and their supranational organization are becoming; which, to many of us American conservatives, was a forgone conclusion.
Communism is not dead. Trough intellectual appeasement of Marxist concepts and political subversion by admitted Marxists and their idiot fellow travelers among "liberals" it has been mainstreamed throughout the west.
To get a start on just a small slice of this, read the books of David Horowitz for a start.
"Obviously FDR and Churchill didn't think so. We allied with communist Russia during WWII to fight the Nazis, so Nazism was perceived as a bigger threat to our way of life than communism was"
You are spouting leftist revisionist history, which always claims, falsely, some great alliance of the "left", communism and liberalism, when there was no so such philosphical or political alliance.
In fact, if everyone in the west had not been so tired in 1945, the victory over Hitler would have been followed immediately with war against Stalin until communism was gone as well.
We did not ally with "communist" Russia. We allied with Russia, period; because Russia was in a position to open an additional front against Germany. We would have allied with Russia against Germany if the Czar had still been in power. In addition we were not at war against Russia - AT THAT TIME - because it was Hitler that attacked our allies (then) not Russia. If the reverse had been true and if it had been Russia that attacked our allies (whether Czarist or communist) and not Germany, then we would have been at war with Russia, not Germany. It was not "communism" that kept Russia from attacking our allies in Europe, as we found as soon as Germany was defeated, it was simply not in Russia's national interest, at the time.
There was no western alliance with "communism", nor was there any sense communism was less evil than the Nazis; it was not yet rampaging across Europe, until the war with Germany provided the opportunity for it, and the west was just tired - not "favoring" the communists.
In the reality of history, communists and Nazis are cousins on the left; as Nazi stands for "national socialists". The Nazis were not "internationalists" like the soviets, they believed in Germany first, but they were no less socialist and equally totalitarian. As I said, they were cousins, politically.
You write on this topic (Nazis vs communism, Marxism) as if the American Marxist educators have done their job very well; with you.
As the Italian writer Oriana Fallaci wrote, on more than one occasion, speaking from experience in Italy - when Mussolini came to power the communists took off their Marxist labels and helped run his government, and after the war they put back on their communist label. The same was true all over Europe as well, in spite of the battlefield history between armies. Yes, communists who were linked with the Soviets were state enemies during the war and treated as such in those areas not controlled by the Soviets. That belies the fact that not all communists were linked with the Soviets and, as Fallaci tells us, many just changed their coats depending on who was winning - the Nazis or the Soviets.
The Croat fans formed a giant swastika . A giant swastika .
Now , see how long you'd last , in , say , Brooklyn or Tel Aviv . I'd give you , oh , a good 5 seconds before being strung up from the nearest lamp post
The difference is important .
I knew that the strigoi have been said to be a problem in some parts of Roumania, but I wasn't aware that it had spread to Croatia. This could REALLY hurt efforts to attract Croatian tourism.
No the truth of the matter is that Orthodx believers always claim that Catholic priests were deeply involved in running Jasenovac.
When confronted, they can only proffer one name - a camp guard who once was a Franciscan priest and who was thrown out of the priesthood before the war even began.
The only Catholic priests in good standing in Jasenovac were the ones who were murdered there.
Perhaps you should look to the Orthodox clergy - who were in good standing with their bishops and were even bishops themselves - who collaborated with Communists and who helped hunt down and kill Catholic priests.
You don't want to look at that at all.
Nor do you want to look at the Iron Guard in Romania, its relentless persecution of Catholics, and its close relationship with the Orthodox Church - all taking place years before the Nazis allowed Pavelic to return to Croatia..
Being a Communist sympathizer is a pretty good reason. They did all the time in those days, at the drop of a hat.
Here's the interesting thing about all the photographs you linked to: they are all dependent on whether the captions are accurate or not in their analysis of what the picture showed.
There is no internal evidence in any of the photos to condemn the clergy in them.
The photo of Stepinac is particularly instructive, as it shows him and his colleagues refusing to take part in a fascist salute at some kind of proceeding.
The so-called "forced conversion" photo doesn't show a forced conversion - it looks like a priest blessing communicants after a Mass.
Really tendentious argumentation here.
Well, for starters, mz father is a Catholic.
Zou see, this is not anti/catholic thread.
We are speaking against Croate terror over Serbs and Jews, not catholic/terror.
It is true that CROATE Catholic clergz was involved in genocide, but not cause thez were Catholics, but Croates.
Per example, Itallian general, being he, himself a Catholic is describing terrors of Croates Ustashas.
Second, Slovenians were also Catholics, but hez themselves were prosecuted bz Itallians and Germans, and were not anti/Serbian.
Also, Hungarians were occupators and commited mass/murders against Serbs, but Hungarian Catholic priesthood did not commited anz crimes against Serbs.
So, we are not speaking about anz "Catholic attrocities"
Also, Bulgarians were occupators and commited horrid crimes against Serbs and macedonians themselves, and they were Ortodox.
That is your point of view. It is not the point of view of Bokababe or elenil21 and others who have a specific anti-Catholic agenda and would never mention or admit to, as per your example, the actions of the Bulgarian Orthodox.
Second,
Most of attrocities against serbs were made by Serbs that were Catholicised in the past, mostley people from Hercegovina and Dalmatia.
No, i belive that CROATIA was guilty, but not Croates as nation
I make a diference.
Also, my stance is that (and my subjective opinion)
Serbs, Croates and "Bosnians" are one the same people.
Call us what you like, even Yugoslavs or South Slavs, but we are same people, devided by Ortodoxy/Catholicism/Islam.
And for closure, I belive that this thread is interesting in:
- knowing HISTORY
- understanding PRESENT
- and construction of FUTURE
Today, Croates and Serbs, may disslike eachother as much as they like, but must do one cricial thing: Leave Islamised Bosnia, and to go their own ways.
If we let our diferences get us, we will fall, asa we are falling as right now, into submission by Islam on Balkans.
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