Posted on 01/17/2007 2:29:33 PM PST by Schichtel
Probable U. S. Presidential Candidate Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a Black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a White Athiest from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's Parents met at the University of Hawaii. WhenObama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His Mother then marriedLoto Soetoro, a radical Muslim from Indenosia. When Obama was six years old, the family relocated to Indenosia. Obama attended a Muslimschool in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic School. Obama takes great care to conceal the Fact that He is a MUSLIM. He is quick to point out that He was once a Muslim, But that He also attended Catholic School. Obama's Political Handlers are attempting to make itappear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Osama was enrolledin a wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the radical teachng that is followed by the muslim terroristswho are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it ispolitically expedient to be a christian when seeking major public office in the United States, Barak Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his muslim background. Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.
Was a muslim for 25 years,his father is muslim,his name is muslim. Sorry we dont want that as our US president.
Can you tell us where this information came from? thanks
I ahte to burst your bubble but that is exactly what the left wants.
Then we could all be converted to Islam and have a wahhbe nut job at the helm.
Obama and his wife are Unitarians, and are members of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.
You know, I can probably come up with 16 dozen reasons not to vote for Obama, and his father's religion doesn't even enter into it. If that's the worst you've got against him then it doesn't say much.
Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his muslim background.I have no brief for Obama. But your claim is indefensible. I would similarly never question e.g. the Christianity of Jesse Jackson or the Judaism of Senator Lieberman. Rather: I oppose these two on grounds of principle and policy--on political grounds. So too Obama. I oppose him because of what he advocates.
Was he born before 1959, because Hawaii wasn't a state before then - perhaps we could get him disqualified on a technicality (has to be a US citizen born in the states)
There is an email going around with almost these same wordings. If you check it on Snopes,they claim it is false and beat around the Bush in their explanation. For instance they dont call the mother an Atheist they beat around the Bushand call her a Secular humanist. Is he a Muslim? Well it is indeed in his background there is no denying that. No more than he can deny his previous drug use. I guess drug use is ok when a democrat is doing it.
Unitarianism is a liberal social club.......not a religeous sect.
It was still considered a part of the United States, unlike Puerto Rico and Guam which have a different legal status. He's a U.S. citizen per the 14th Amendment.
They tried that on Goldwater in 1964, saying he was born in Arizona before it was a state. It didn't work then, either.
I know Unitarians who would disagree with you. However, the point is that Obama's nominally a Christian, not a Muslim.
He was born in 1961.
Please, let us hear your 16 reasons.
(And heaven forbid, dont bring up anything to do with his upbringing or family background because we all know those things have NO INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER on a person's values or attitudes.)
No dice. He was a citizen at birth having been born in a US territory, that's all that is required.
His positions on abortion, taxation, size of government, immigration, trade, education, foreign policy, military, descretionary spending priorities, his stand on the war on terror. How's that for a start?
I assume none of those mean a thing to you compared to the fact that his father was Muslim?
They do, but bringing them up makes us look like a bunch of racist a-holes. Better to oppose Obama on policy grounds so that we're not open to the accusation.
They can disagree all they want. They're evil to the core. 95% are radical athiests, marxists and homosexual activists. Barack Hussein is not a Christian....even nominally.
I had a number of friends in college and after college who are Unitarians. Our politics differ, but they're alright people for the most part. A little flakey, maybe, but not evil.
Barack Hussein is not a Christian....even nominally.
Well, good luck with that argument. You'll do more to put him in the White House with that than all of my Unitarian friends put together.
Don't get me wrong - I hope its true and we can dispense with this jerk post-haste!
But we'd better be right before leveling this kind of charge! If its false, it will only increase his credibility in the eyes of many!
Could a strict constructionist with respect to the Constitution advocate the implementation of Sharia law in this country? Just curious.
They may be small u unitarians, but not Unitarians with a big U, as the Unitarian-Universalists and the United Church of Christ are different denominations. The Punahou School that Obama graduated from is non-sectarian, but historically UCC.
Snopes.com has a page "debunking" the claims made about Obama. I don't know if they're right. They have their own agenda.
But it does look biased to discribe his mother outright as an atheist. She's not a believer in a distinct creed, more the sort of person who'd describe herself as a "seeker" or as someone who distrusts fixed dogmas and tries to appreciate the best in various religions. Some people may take that for atheism, but that looks like a stretch.
By contrast, Obama has described his father as an atheist, though he didn't really know him. In some e-mails, Obama Sr's been described as a Muslim radical. He had been born a Muslim and was radical in the sense of being against British imperial rule in Africa, but whether he was a "Muslim radical" in today's sense of the word is less established and far less likely.
One thing about the official story that does grate is the description of Obama's father as a "goatherd." He may have been that at one point, but he was a senior economist for the Kenyan government when he died. A politician justifiably claiming humble origins is one thing, but falsifying the record about his parents to make them look lowly is another. It's not like Obama rose from subsistence agriculture to the Senate himself.
Sounds like he's a christian now?
I'm pretty certain a Puerto Rican or a Guamanian could be elected President.
It's an interesting issue in that there isn't, of course, a lot of case law concerning that Constitutional requirement.
Only to the terminally PC, who think we're racist a-holes regardless of what we say. We're engaged in a global war with Islam ("radical Islam" is a redundancy... there is no moderate Islam). If there's verifiable evidence that Barack Hussein attended a wahhabi madrasa in Jakarta, and that evidence is boradcast far and wide, he's toast.
And if he's not on that basis, then we are.
I want a Lutheran candidate....
Not defending Obama here, but heentered Catholic school at the age of eight.
The problem with distortion is that it will always come back to bite you in the end.
There are several legitimate reasons to question Obama's abilities; why distort when it is easily proven that he is a Christian? He'll just get more votes via a smear.
Could a strict constructionist with respect to the Constitution advocate the implementation of Sharia law in this country? Just curious.Certainly not. But you can be a Muslim and still support a secular state, just as you can be a Jew and not be a Zionist. Of course, as a Jew, I believe that non-Zionist Jews are blithering, self-hating maladroits.
Calling a unitarian universalist a Christian is like calling Chuck Hagel a Republican.
Unitarian Universalism is the cult of Surfer Jesus. It has nothing to do with actual Christianity. Its teachings directly contradict those of the Bible.
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Leaving aside the issue of the (likely dubious) accuracy of the screed that is the article starting this thread, it's pointless because it's only going to be effective persuading someone not to vote for Obama that ALREADY wasn't going to vote for Obama in the first place.
It's not possible to be both a Unitarian and a Trinitarian. Also, the very title of "Christ" is not compatible with Unitarianism.
There's some discussion of his church here, at Wikipedia. It seems to be generally accurate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ
I obviously can't say whether his membership in this church is a matter of good faith or a matter of political convenience. I still find it troubling that he is essentially a foreigner, although he has technical citizenship from birth; that he is a long-time Muslim; and that he is an extreme leftist. This background does not encourage me to trust him any further than, as the proverb goes, I can kick him.
Chuck Hagel IS a Republican....like it or not.
Isn't a Muslim who converts to Christianity supposed to be killed according to Muslim law?
Yes but he came from a muslim familiy and was muslim for 25 years. We all know the rules about islam and converting to another religion.
How is he technically a foreigner? And I've only seen that he attended the muslim school in Indonesia for two years. Where can I find more about him being a long time muslim? Thanks.
Fine, he's a self-loathing, back-stabbing squid of a Republican.
Unitarians Universalists still have nothing to do with Christianity.
"Sorry we dont want that as our US president."
Then VOTE accordingly!
One of the most entertaining opportunities that will emerge in 2007 will be using Barack Obama to fight Islamofascism.
He is the product of a black Moslem from Kenya, Barrack Hussein Obama, and a white atheist from Kansas, Shirley Ann Dunham, who met at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu. That is why his middle name is the same as Saddam's: Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.
His first name is taken from the Islamic term in Arabic for "blessed," baraka, used in the Koran.
His father deserted the family when Barack Jr. was two and returned to Kenya. His mother then married another Moslem studying at UH, Lolo Soetoro from Indonesia. He moved with his mother and stepfather to Jakarta when he was six, where he attended a Moslem medressa (religious school).
That makes him a Moslem. That he denies that he ever was and is a Christian instead makes him, in Moslem eyes, also something much worse: an apostate. Apostasy in Islam is punishable by death.
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Obama is half white. I want to know why he considers himself and African-American and never speaks of his white heritage? Is he ashamed of being half white?
Oh, I think there are some undecideds out there who might be interested in knowing whether or not Mr. Obama spent several years attending a wahhabi madrasas.
Have you ever heard one our our illuminati raise this question to a muslim or anyone with a muslim background?
Thanks for the info!!
B. Hussein Obama in '08
How's that sound?
HUH? Please give us the SOURCE for this information. If true this should have been HEADLINE news when he was running for the Senate.
Hard to believe this has NEVER been mentioned before and just shows up on FR.
SOURCE PLEASE!!!
Because of his backround, I'll watch him close......
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