Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The defeatists gave us the loss in Vietnam. We lost the war in the street and in the press. And now Vietnam is a communist dictatorship which persecutes the ethnic Chinese and commits all kinds of atrocities. I hope the liberty loving libs are happy about their "paradise". Convervaties have no excuse - unless, of course, they are ISOLATIONISTS in the Joseph Kennedy/Charles Lindbergh mode (Pat Buchanan fits that description).
I was thinking of Sherman's march, too. And Lincoln's search for a general. Times change, but war still means breaking things and killing people.
I don't know anything about hoplite but you should give 'em a ping if you talk about 'em.
You need to click on the name of the author of this thread to get yourself informed. Read all the info there that disputes most everything you say. These are actual Saddam- Iraqi documents that have been translated Please do this before you post again regarding Iraq.
I agree with you sir....but your position isn't politically correct....and I am afraid that the liberals have been working hard these last 30 years to emasculate America....and it appears that they have been successful.
Isolationism won't work anymore, and the US is The Great Satan, the eventual target for Islam. If they get us to bow down, the rest of the world is a piece of cake. We're that big piece of the puzzle they need to achieve everything they've dreamed of. So, at what point does a policy in defense of survival become immoral? That would seem to be the salient issue. When do we say, that's it, and put aside PC thinking? Are we there yet? Evidently not.
You are right---They are traitors..but the definition or traitor has become bound up in legalese.
Even abandoning Israel wouldn't work. Muslims see the US as the fount of everything they hate. They have to turn us into an Islamic hellhole. As long as the US exists as a free country, we're the hope of salvation for everyone else.
Apparently, there are towns in Sweden that the police are afraid to go into because the muzzie gangs have taken over...
All over Europe, the muzzies are taking over.
Another generation and they will grow the islamic populations internally plus with new immigration of muslims...
In the states, the Saudi's use their money to plant new mosques in non muzzie areas in the successful growth of islam.
Our grand children will have a huge problem and a much expanded war soon.
Sad that so few do not understand that this is a global war ( not just Iraq ).
You said -- "The plan to place an island of democracy and freedom in a desert of fanatics is a pipe dream."
I agree with that. It just needs to be explained to more people in this context -- and this is where Bush went wrong and is *still* going wrong. It has to do with *ISLAM* -- it's not simply a religion -- but rather, and more importantly, it's a POLITICAL SYSTEM with religious underpinnings.
So, when Bush says, "Islam is a religion of peace..." -- that's absolutely idiotic to those who do know what Islam is (and the terrorists and CAIR are having a big "yuck-yuck" over Bush saying that).
Therefore, when you have millions of people who are *committed* to the "underpinnings" of thier political system (which is Islam) -- and then you go in there and say to them -- "We're going to make you free and give you a democracy!" -- they go "Huh? Oh..., okay..." And then the next election, they vote in Islamic Sharia law -- END OF DEMOCRACY -- and a waste of billions of dollars on a war that ends up right back where it started, a country devoted to terrorism and against the United States. Now..., do we start another war and do it "halfway" again, later on?
Doesn't anyone listen to this mullahs and clerics and imams? I sometimes wonder...
Regards,
Star Traveler
P.S. -- Since it is a political system, if you *truly* want to get rid of terrorism, then first recognize where it comes from (i.e., Islam) and then destroy Islam. Otherwise, be prepared the next 100 years of war with Islamic terrorists (and that's what we're *definitely* going to get, now). Oh..., and hope that Sharia law doesn't take over here in another few decades when the Muslims start running things in our government.
You said -- "But you go ahead and hold on to your WWII delusions. So many others like to compare this police action to WWII, you may as well jump on that bandwagon, too."
Good to hear from someone "on the ground" over there. Give 'em hell...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "The problem, of course, is that while victory is not 'an instant thing', neither is defeat. We're spiraling towards a slow but inevitable defeat in the public arena, due to failed efforts abroad. The core of the terrorist's strategy is to pursue a gradual victory, and to use our cultural and political weaknesses against us. They understand that time is on their side, not ours. We knew that too, going in. Come 2008, the public will be ready to abandon Iraq to whatever wolves want it."
That's for sure. You've got it right. Expect to see the "defeat" come right after 2008. There's no spine (and appears that there wasn't before, either) to fight like it was in WWII. Who knows if there would be the will to destroy the enemy even if they were to do another 9/11 event. Even then, I wonder...
And also, "No amount of flag waving, scare mongering, or name calling will stiffen the spine of the American people, if they don't have faith in the competence of their leaders. No effort of skilled troops will succeed where poor leadership and flawed strategies reign."
That's for sure. The people appear to not have a spine for it. And, they just about didn't have a spine for it back during the days of WWII either -- until -- Japan attacked and Germany declared war on the U.S. right afterwards. If not for those events, we might not have fought WWII like WWII.
Regards,
Star Traveler
One of the great problems in our society, our citizens don't read enough history, they're content to read junk. Oh, I too read fiction from time to time, but history and conservative reading is my interest.
Our only loss will be a battle, not the war. It's laughable to suggest Western Civ might actually lose the war - that's simply not a possibility.
So the Islamics nuke NYC, LA, DC. So what? Does that mean "we're defeated"? Hardly, it just means that whether it takes 5, 50 or 500 years, your initial war strategy (occupation & conversion) will eventually take place.
One thing that a lot of people don't seem to connect is the advent of gene therapy. Ultimately, the cure for Islamofacism is to increase the intelligence, and reduce the violent tendencies, via genetic engineering, of those who cannot conceive of a peaceful secular existence.
Again, that something for our descendent's to deal with. Regardless, human kind will continue to advance and sweep away the debris that threatens it.
You said -- "Hit FSE's "In Forum" link to get even more of a boots-on-the-ground warrior's perspective. For me, one FSE post cancels out 100 keyboard warrior posts any day."
Amen to that one, from what I read. It is true..., they don't want democracy and they don't deserve it. It was a waste of time (in terms of democracy). We should have gone in there and beat down the clerics and imams right off the bat and not allowed any of that crap to go on. The first sign of opposition should have been taken out not only on a cleric and his associated mosque, but the surrounding people, too. That tends to "make people smart" in a hurry. They need an "education".
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "Reward your friends and punish your enemies - that's fundamental. We should have declared Kurdistan the minute the 4th ID was off the docks in Turkey."
You're right. And you know..., those guys would have *appreciated* that sincerely, and they would have fought like the devil for us...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "He WANTS Islam to be a Religion of Peace, so, presto -it is!"
That's his *number one* failure of this whole thing (notice I didn't say WOT, because it isn't!).
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "You are insulting our President and Commander in Chief by attributing to him that he has a low IQ, which is typical of liberals when they attack the President."
Well, about now, after all his statements about Islam being a religion of peace, I am beginning to wonder about his IQ. What's wrong with it?
This -- i.e., believing the Islam is a religion of peace, and thinking that democracy in Iraq will survive after we leave [past the first vote for full Islamic Sharia law] -- this is his biggest failure of all. Because of this failure, we will lose...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "... and it appears that they have been successful."
Yep, and hence another failure "in the works" (still time left, but not much, and it will be more painful now, than it would have before -- so I don't hold out hope...).
Regards,
Star Traveler
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