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Room for More: Population Is Declining
CatholicExchange.com ^ | 01-19-07 | Patti Maguire Armstrong

Posted on 01/21/2007 7:41:49 AM PST by Salvation

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To: Salvation
"Population Is Declining"

That is a good thing.

61 posted on 01/21/2007 10:09:25 AM PST by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: cowtowney

Okay, my mistake. I understan now.


62 posted on 01/21/2007 10:12:06 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: cowtowney
I have no suggestions that would fly in the political and social climate today. Best thing we could do is elect individuals who would just start phasing out the programs, if not all at once at least one after another.

My personal contribution to ending the programs is never willingly participating in one. It is totally against my belief system to expect the government to provide for my housing and food, child care or education. However, I do intend to get whatever I can back from the social security system that I paid into for so many years ... even though I do not believe that the government should be in the business of providing for my retirement.

63 posted on 01/21/2007 10:14:37 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: cowtowney

I recommend seeing Children of Men, which is playing in theaters now. It is a sci-fi movie about society in 2028 or so, where no children have been born in 18 years do to a problem with women getting pregnant.

Spooky. A world without children is very very creepy.


64 posted on 01/21/2007 10:18:19 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: Salvation

The title reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode where the nurse/flight attendant says, "Room for one more, honey."


65 posted on 01/21/2007 10:19:26 AM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: raybbr

"Here in the U.S. we are expecting a dramatic increase in population."

Will this increase be accompanied by quality or just quantity like it has been for the past thirty years?


66 posted on 01/21/2007 10:22:45 AM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: cripplecreek
Well, friend, it's going to be kids OR its going to be immigrants, because somebody's going to enter, occupy, increase, fill, and develop the nation and world around us.

Every business needs more customers, Free Republic needs more FReepers, the Tennessee Vols need a steady stream of new players (and new fans), every mover needs more shakers (and the shakers need more movers), every elderly person needs more helpers, and every family needs more laughter. Our nation could use some more joie de vivre.

Even the environmental movement needs more environmentalists.

No, of course it's not just a matter of quantity. Married people who are generous and intelligent deserve a toast, a hurrah and a tip o' the hat for having and raising the next generation, and raising them well. We all need these kids or we will die old, abandoned, lonely, depleted and destitute.

Kids --- well-raised kids ---are needed for the glory of God, for our pride and joy, and to replenish the earth.

67 posted on 01/21/2007 10:24:06 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Learning to live with complexity.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

In 1950, there were 16 workers paying taxes into the system for every retiree who was taking benefits out of it. Today, there are a little more than three. By the time the baby boomers retire, there will be just two workers who will have to pay all the taxes to support every one retiree.


68 posted on 01/21/2007 10:25:02 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: Mrs. Don-o

So basically this is a thinly disguised pro open borders thread.

So much for Christian honesty.


69 posted on 01/21/2007 10:25:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Salvation

Every sperm is sacred was a joke, not meant to be a doxology.


70 posted on 01/21/2007 10:34:38 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Salvation

Nonsense. There is severe overpopulation in some parts of the world. The parts of the world that would like to overrun civilized countries.


71 posted on 01/21/2007 10:35:35 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: cripplecreek

"Seems to me that the more populated America becomes, the further into socialism we slide."

CC, I agree. I am not one to live in the past, but it is clear that greater population is a double edged sword.

Despite my liberal friends' direst warnings that our nation is trending toward a dark-age of conservatism, it is intuitively obvious that we have been trending toward socialism since the days of FDR.

I can't say for sure that this is due to greater population or just a natural progression of democratic politics.

But certainly, negative examples of greater population are all around us-- and there is an inevitable and comensurate squeeze on freedom as well.


72 posted on 01/21/2007 10:37:31 AM PST by agooga (Let the Wookie win!!!)
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To: Salvation

I believe my tagline says it all.


73 posted on 01/21/2007 10:37:40 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: agooga

I think a stable population is a good thing but I wish Americans were producing more children instead of importing people from all over the world who have no interest in becoming American.


74 posted on 01/21/2007 10:40:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek

Who said anything about open borders? The point is that if Americans will not have more children, then the labor pool will have to come from somewhere, hence more immigration. People refusing to replace themselves is what contributes to the need for illegal immigration, particularly in Europe.


75 posted on 01/21/2007 10:41:02 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: Salvation
Despite some minor disagreements on several points, this article touches on a lot of good stuff, and I want to add to it (arguing from a complimentary angle).

Our health, standard of living, and REAL progress (not the meaning of the word that has been hijacked by socialists, degenerates, and perverts) is not tied to population density (we are nowhere near this bottleneck, which is less optimistic than the author suggests, but not by much) - it is mostly tied to advancing technology and free markets.

Our available resources are not fixed, but are a function of technology. And the rate of technological advancement is a function of the number of people involved in research. The major flaw in fatalistic calculations underpinning the "overpopulation" debate is that technology is assumed fixed. At best, there are a few studies that attempt to correct for this flaw by assuming technological progression at the present rate - but even this is still flawed. The pace of progress continually hastens, and as much as the thought hurts to some some people, we can thank population growth, not just worldwide improved access to and quality of education.

We NEED more people, not fewer. We can grow at a high rate, for at least another few thousand years, while enhancing our standard of living, as long as there is access to education, and unhindered research; most difficult of all, however, is to garner another critical ingredient - less failure-rewarding, success-punishing socialism in all forms. The elimination of competitive forces in markets, in research, in laws, and through entitlements, via arbitrary compulsory redistribution, generally acts to cause long-term harm. Another major lesson from the last several hundred years is that central planning is ruinous - the more expansive the scope, the more disastrous the results.

Anyway, personally, I hope to raise as many children as the author. :)

76 posted on 01/21/2007 10:45:03 AM PST by M203M4
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To: cripplecreek

Is the trend toward socialism related to the rise in the immigrant population, or is it a natural political evolution? Would more births to native born Americans stifle this trend?


77 posted on 01/21/2007 10:45:54 AM PST by agooga (Let the Wookie win!!!)
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To: agooga
Would more births to native born Americans stifle this trend?

I don't know if it would stifle the trend toward socialism but I believe American born children tend to feel closer ties to this country. Another issue is the simple fact that new entrants aren't the same as immigrants from the past. When my great grandparents arrived they came with the intent of fitting in and only brought very minor cultural baggage with them.
78 posted on 01/21/2007 10:49:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek

As a minimum, demographic should concern you. European culture, violence in India, Russia, the Phillipines and elsewhere are all threats from shifting demographics.

And if you're still a hardcore protectionist, consider this:

American Muslims have children at a high rate.
Non-Muslims American are barely at the replacement rate.

Your great-grandchildren will be under Sharia law.


79 posted on 01/21/2007 10:58:22 AM PST by kidd
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To: cripplecreek

"When my great grandparents arrived they came with the intent of fitting in and only brought very minor cultural baggage with them."

As did mine.


80 posted on 01/21/2007 11:03:04 AM PST by agooga (Let the Wookie win!!!)
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