Missing Mars craft appears to be a lost cause [GLOBAL WARMING CONFIRMED on MARS]

Los Angeles Times ^ | November 22, 2006 | Thomas H. Maugh

[Moseley]

Missing Mars craft appears to be a lost cause Solar-panel trouble may have ended the probe's 'illustrious career.'

[snip] In its 10-year career, the probe has sent back more than 240,000 images of the red planet, providing the first strong evidence that water flowed there as recently as 100,000 years ago.

It also charted weather cycles and mapped landing sites for the two rovers now operating on the Martian surface. [snip]

The craft had "an illustrious career," said Fuk Li, JPL's Mars program manager. "We are still holding out hope, but we are fully prepared in our heart that we may never talk to it again."

Launched Nov. 7, 1996, the Mars Global Surveyor has exceeded its intended lifetime fivefold and produced a string of discoveries. Among them:

• The craft found gullies cut into slopes that had few impact craters, indicating the action of liquid water in modern times.

• Its infrared camera found concentrations of hematite, a mineral that generally forms under wet conditions.

• Using its laser altimeter, the probe produced a detailed topographic map of Mars that revealed highly eroded or buried craters too subtle for previous observation.

• Its magnetometer found traces of a global magnetic field, like Earth's, that once shielded the planet from damaging cosmic rays.

• It tracked changes in weather for four complete Mars years, the equivalent of eight Earth years. For three consecutive Martian summers, it showed that the polar ice caps were shrinking, suggesting a climate change in progress.

The craft "has surpassed all expectations," Meyer said. "It has already been the most productive science mission to Mars, and it will yield more discoveries" as the images it sent back are fully analyzed.

[snip] thomas.maugh@latimes.com

[Moseley]

NOTICE the excerpt near the end.
The Los Angeles Times KNOWS that there is global warming on MARS, and yet has refused to reveal this crucial information to the American people:
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• It tracked changes in weather for four complete Mars years, the equivalent of eight Earth years. For three consecutive Martian summers, it showed that the polar ice caps were shrinking, suggesting a climate change in progress.
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If the sun is causing global warming on Mars, and also on Pluto and also on Neptune's Triton moon, then the SUN has INCREASED its energy output as part of the regular sunspot cycles and other cycles.
If the sun is causing global warming throughout the solar system then the VERY SLIGHT warming of the Earth -- far, far, far less than global warming hysteria models predict -- must be caused by the SUN, not human activities.
Global warming models are already in deep trouble because they predict that the earth should have warmed up (already) 10 times more than observed. So, clearly the models are completely wrong. Now, add a known fact that the sun is causing the entire solar system to warm up, and there is no room left for man-made activities to be responsible.

[GeorgiaDawg32]

never use logic and facts regarding global warming, climate change, whatever the term is..you're getting in the way of a liberal and their grant money..

[Ronaldus Magnus Reagan]

Don't forget that the founder of Greenpeace now says that the environmentalist movement has been infiltrated by Marxist/Leninist types ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

The Green Party should be renamed the Watermelon Party-Green on the outside and RED on the inside!

[staytrue]

Your reasoning is biased and faulty.

It goes something like this, Earth has water and has life, therefore Mars which used to have water, must have had life.

Bottom line: Studying Martian climate and extrapolating to conclusions on Earth is questionable.

Bottom line: The earth is warming and it may or may not be due to man made co2 as a contributing factor. Frankly, we don't even know if warming is good or bad. All we know is that it is happening.

[epluribus_2]

>>the SUN has INCREASED its energy output as part of the regular sunspot cycles and other cycles

or GOOGLE "Milankovich Cycles". Our orbits wobble, causing our ice ages (or lack of them). "it wasn't our Tahoe?...hmmm I'm confused".

[colorado tanker]

The warming on Mars isn't being caused by the Sun, everyone knows its Martian SUV's.

[randog]

If the sun is causing global warming on Mars, and also on Pluto and also on Neptune's Triton moon, then the SUN has INCREASED its energy output as part of the regular sunspot cycles and other cycles. If the sun is causing global warming throughout the solar system then the VERY SLIGHT warming of the Earth -- far, far, far less than global warming hysteria models predict -- must be caused by the SUN, not human activities.

Yeah, but...uhmmm....FLAT EARTHER!!

[flashbunny]

If you look at the temperature record (real ones, not the ones touted by the global warming nuts), warming is linked to the best periods in the planet for life.

Global cooling cycles are deadly. The mini ice age was disastrous for human life.

Of course, in the 1970's, global cooling was the fad threat. But now global warming is the new global cooling.

[flashbunny]

AKA the mars rovers.

Damn humans!

[ocr1]

Space global warming ping.

[taxed2death]

By G_D I think you're onto something!

[AntiKev]

Ping.

[tanuki]

My God! Don't you see, people? Global Warming is caused by NASA spaceprobes! When we get data on it, why are those damned things always around!/sarc

[vigilante2]

damn republicans invaded mars

[FourtySeven]

Bump, good post.

[sr4402]

[SJSAMPLE]

The probe must have stumbled across the Haliburton Martian strip-mining operations, so it had to be destroyed.

[secretagent]

Global warming models are already in deep trouble because they predict that the earth should have warmed up (already) 10 times more than observed

Source?

[doc30]

If the sun is causing global warming on Mars, and also on Pluto and also on Neptune's Triton moon, then the SUN has INCREASED its energy output as part of the regular sunspot cycles and other cycles. If the sun is causing global warming throughout the solar system then the VERY SLIGHT warming of the Earth -- far, far, far less than global warming hysteria models predict -- must be caused by the SUN, not human activities.

Climatologists acknowledge the sun has been getting brighter, but still say that human activity has a more powerful, overriding effect on global warming than the sun heating up. They are too scared to push this issue for fear of blacklisting by the IPCC. This is the same IPCC whose economists predicted that North Korea would have a bigger economy than the U.S. in a few decades. And legitimate economists were blacklisted and labeled global warming deniers' when they spoke out. The IPCC knows all and any dissent will be crushed regardless of facts.

[gcruse]

Or Google 'global dimming' for a u-turn in solar output within the decade.

[Moseley]

I agree that we don't know much, including whether or not global warming is God's answers to prayer from those living in Siberia, Scandinavia, and the far North of Canada. Seriously.

However, we DO know that if (a) the Earth, (b) Mars, (c) Pluto, (d) Neptune (Neptune's moon Triton) ARE ALL UNDERGOING GLOBAL WARMING AT THE SAME TIME -- and we have not even bothered to look at the other solar system bodies, we just accidentally noticed these without a plan for looking -- THEN THE SUN IS THE CAUSE.

The only thing that the temperatures on (a) Earth, (b) Mars, (c) Pluto, and (d) Neptune HAVE IN COMMON IS THE SUN.

The phenomenon MUST be caused by CHANGES in the sun's solar output.

[Moseley]

But (a) the Earth, (b) Mars, (c) Pluto, and (d) Neptune (its moon Triton) CANNOT all be undergoing the same wobble at the same time.

[Moseley]

The probe must have stumbled across the Haliburton Martian strip-mining operations, so it had to be destroyed. Yes, you will recall that a couple of Mars space probes crashed and were never heard from again. Haliburton needed time to cover up its strip-mining on Mars. Was that Dick Cheney's face on mars?

[Moseley]

Climatologists acknowledge the sun has been getting brighter, but still say that human activity has a more powerful, overriding effect on global warming than the sun heating up. They are too scared to push this issue for fear of blacklisting by the IPCC.

This is disproven by the observations throughout the solar system. If we noticed a slightly brighter sun but detected NO CHANGE on other solar system bodies, then we would be lead toward the view stated above (which I realize the poster does not agree with and was only mentioning to be informative).

However, when we observe that the solar change is sufficiently powerful to be MELTING the southern polar ice cap on Mars IN FACT -- at a much GREATER DISTANCE from the sun than the Earth -- this shows that the increase in solar output IS enough to change the climate.

Since we are seeing essentially the same amount of global warming on both the Earth and the Mars (and remember that at Mars much greater DISTANCE the energy of the sun falls off much faster, with the SQUARE of the distance) then we KNOW that the change in solar output is sufficient to account for ALL of the global warming observed on Earth.

REMEMBER that the Earth is MUCH CLOSER to the sun than the other solar system bodies upon which a MEASUREABLE change has been observed. Light (all electromagnetic radiation) decreases in power not just with increasing distance but with the square of the distance. That is light decreases RAPIDLY in power with greater distance. So the effect we are seeing in the more distant planets equates with a much MORE POWERFUL solar effect upon the Earth.

[doc30]

I agree with you. But the political climate is such that climatologists don't want to be ostracized for not towing the 'human induced global warming' party line.

What I think is really interesting is the evidence that Mars climat and Earths were analogous for millenia. When Earth was going through the last ice age, so was Mars. We had water ice glaciers while Mars had carbon dioxide 'glaciers'. There is an estimate that once the Martian polar cap dissappears, the resulting CO2 will increase the atmospheric pressure on Mars by almost x10! It's kind of interesting that it's the Martian atmosphere that froze during its glacial epoch.

[doc30]

Milankovich Cycles are one proposed explanation for observed climate variation on our planet. But now we are able to observe climate variation, current and past, on other bodies in our solar system. Orbital and precessional variations are insufficient to explain current warming trends across the entire solar system. The sun is the only common element here and we have observed that it is getting brighter.

[libertarian27]

You can't SUE the SUN --

You can't demonize it, you can't regulate it, you can't tax it to generate any money out of it.

You can't create new jobs and bureaucracy - you can't fine big business.

You can't fund research by taxing the SUN.

It's got to be mankind - money can be made from mankind.

[RadioAstronomer]

Self ping

[geopyg]

I think it also has to do with the hubris (I think thats the right fancy word for pride?) of man. WE can solve this problem. WE can save the polar bears (20 years ago it was the seals!?) WE can fix this problem.

Some things are bigger than us.

[Moseley]

WOW! That is so well-said. The only villain that has money is MANKIND.... therefore, mankind must be to blame. No other cause has any profit motive in it. What a great insight! Thanks.

[Beowulf]

bttt

[libertarian27]

Add me to your Global warming ping list please.
The scare tactics used to funnel money is pure neo-communism.

Look at any 'study' or 'scientific concensus' and ask yourself where the money shifts? Who gets the bread? Who gains? How do salaries and business profits increase? Why has big business in some cases embraced this theory? You know they don't 'believe' it - there's a profit shift in believing it.

The first who jumps on the carousel gets the gold ring.