Giuliani a tough conservative sell

AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/25/07 | Liz Sidoti - ap

[PhiKapMom]

You just described my opinion of Alan Keyes completely! Thank you!

[Sunsong]

I just wondered - because I've read other posts (not just you) from people who have put *their* values over everything else. In other words - they are making the 2008 race about them and their values and if the country does not accept them, their beliefs and their values - then they say, essentially, "to hell with the country".

[BigSkyFreeper]

I do care, and I need one party that does - not two that don't.

Obviously you care enough to give Hillary a vote.

[PhiKapMom]

I just wondered - because I've read other posts (not just you) from people who have put *their* values over everything else. In other words - they are making the 2008 race about them and their values and if the country does not accept them, their beliefs and their values - then they say, essentially, "to hell with the country".

WOW! Very well put! Thank you for those comments because it sums it up perfectly!

[BunnySlippers]

All mayors participate in every minority, women's rights and gay events. Sheesh!

You've been living with your head in the sand.

[rogator]

"Am I a bad Republican?"

If you are, than so am I.
Newt talks the best line, but he reminds me of Richard Nixon.

[freedomfiter2]

As long as "conservatives" will vote for the likes of Rudy, the GOP will never get back to its conservative roots. It won't have to.

Exactly.
How many times have we on FR ridiculed the blacks for voting Dem when they get nothing in return. Do you think the GOP will do better with subservient conservatives?

[onyx]

BUMP

[BunnySlippers]

These people are so insecure. They are not fiscal conservatives ... they are only in the Republican party because it panders to them.

[PhiKapMom]

Exactly! A lot of us come from States that do elect conservatives but they rant we are not the conservatives, but they are. Amazing! Why don't they get out and elect conservatives and quit bashing us. I have two conservative Senators along with a Congressman -- worked on all three campaigns so I have done my part! :)

[PhiKapMom]

I am tired of pandering!

[IslandJeff]

Do you think the GOP will do better with subservient conservatives?

You make that sound, somehow, predestined. Why not get involved with the GOP yourself, given your righteous indignation?

[PzLdr]

No, I'm obviously no Republican [You seem to have the two confused]. Since Rudy hasn't enunciated what he'll do if made POTUS, let's look at the themes of his Mayoralty:

PERSONALITY: Rudy routinely took credit for his subordinates' ideas. If they got any ink/credit, they were gone. The policing theory was Bratton's. When the media mentioned it, Rudy forced him out. Rudy micromanages. He likes weak subordinates. The name Bernie Kerik ring a bell? On the other hand, if something went south, Rudy never took the blame.

PHILOSOPHY: Rudy's a Statist. One of his major wars was CENTRALIZING the educational system in the Bd/Ed, and putting his 'yes men' in . Rudy's that great combination of egocentric [bordering on megalomaniac and micro manager. His photo's in the dictionary next to the definition of anal compulsive. you can look it up.

Rudy's heavily anti-Second Amendment. There wasn't a gun control measure he didn't support in NYC [if he didn't start it.

Rudy's VERY pro-abortion. Never met one he didn't support, if not like. Never used his bully pulpit to argue against it.

Gay Rights: See above. I believe [but I'm not positive] that city benefits for gay couples came into force on his watch.

Immigration: Rudy's the one who ordered NY agencies NOT to cooperate with the Feds on illegals.

Taxes: Rudy did, initially, and to his credit, seek to lower taxes and regulation of business. But by the end of his mayoralty, it was going back up.And he wasn't pushing it anymore.

So tell me, what,in the area of political philosophy, stands out as an example of "conservatism? Guns? Abortion? Immigration? Gay Rights? Taxes? You're the one who's obviously no Conservative.

[freedomfiter2]

You need to understand, to me, voting for someone who supports abortion is like sanctioning it.


That's because it is.

[BunnySlippers]

As long as "conservatives" will vote for the likes of Rudy, the GOP will never get back to its conservative roots. It won't have to.

Conservative is FISCAL conservitism ... not SOCIAL conservatism. It never was until the social conservatives started blackmailing the GOP.

[Sunsong]

Your welcome. There is a post of yours that I like to repost(s) - because it sums up a lot, too:

Back to the basics of a strong national security including protecting our borders, less government, lower taxes, and sending social issues back to the State by appointing strict constitutionalist judges is the prescription for victory IMHO! - PhiKapMom

I don't know why we can't coalesce around those ideas (maybe add a couple more)

[PhiKapMom]

Many people who would otherwise vote Republican don't ... because they fear [rightly so in my book] the Jerry Falwell branch of the party.

I am hearing that more and more here in OK and I couldn't agree more!

[onyx]

It's tiresome. Stuck in blue states and demanding others vote their way. Fix their own respective states.

[BunnySlippers]

The GOP took a wrong turn when it started playing to social conservatives.

Very few even care about fiscal conservatism.

[TitansAFC]

---"Many people who would otherwise vote Republican don't ... because they fear [rightly so in my book] the Jerry Falwell branch of the party."---

I find it amazing how many Liberal boogyman quotes get posted by you in the Rudy fetish threads. Liberal talking points about the SoCons right down to the letter - ver batum.

No. You should be on Democrat boards convincing them to be better fiscally and on defense - political issues - than in a party where you're trying to convince people to willingly surrender their deeply held beliefs.

But I think there are some of those Christians at your door right now with Bibles waiting to take you away to a concentration camp. So ping me when you escape.