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Church supports apology to gays
news-record. ^ | 1/27/07 | Nancy H. McLaughlin

Posted on 01/27/2007 7:29:03 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0

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To: upchuck
Now if we could just get the Presbyterians back on track :)

Another house of true conviction there.

61 posted on 01/28/2007 6:57:35 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: napscoordinator
re: "drinking poison" This is in the end of Mark (Mark 16, 18). As it happens, the ending of Mark is of more controversy than most of the New Testament, not so much because of this message, but because many early Bibles did not have it, and the early Church fathers were divided on whether it belonged. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16

But even if we assume that it does belong, the fact that Jesus told his Apostles that they (or "believers") could safely handle snakes, drink poison, and cure the sick, that does not mean that the teaching would necessarily apply through time to all believers. One could say the same of a ban on homosexuality (or adultery, fornication, etc.), but if even the Bible's moral teachings are all outdated, then that does not leave a lot left to follow. In other words, most religions make questionable or magical claims concerning the world; what people have tended to continue to follow are their religion's moral component. Even the liberal Episcopalians do this; they just stick to "blessed are the peacemakers" and ignore the other moral prescriptions they do not like.
62 posted on 01/28/2007 7:13:08 AM PST by DWPittelli
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To: Alouette; Tax-chick
"When did homosexualism stop being a sex act and become a race?"

When they raced to the forefront to get their share of societal benefits.

63 posted on 01/28/2007 7:45:37 AM PST by NicknamedBob (Sign says, "No dogs allowed -- except seeing-eye dogs" Why don't they put that sign down lower?)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

victim appology scam

The appology promotes the homosexual agenda by portraying the recreational sex fetishists as "victims."


64 posted on 01/28/2007 7:48:05 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: gcruse

There aren't any Methodist, Baptist ot Presbyterian churches in poorer areas of towns?


65 posted on 01/28/2007 7:51:30 AM PST by kalee (No burka for me....EVER!)
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To: NicknamedBob; Alouette
"When did homosexualism stop being a sex act and become a race?"

When they raced to the forefront to get their share of societal benefits.

Oh, definitely ... aligning your personal predilection with "race" gets you government favors.

However, I think homosexualism is actually a religion, although I'm not sure who its god is.

The God of the Bible asks His worshippers for self-sacrificing, life-affirming love. The god of homosexualists is worshipped by acts of self-seeking, death-dealing sex. Maybe it's Allah.

66 posted on 01/28/2007 7:54:18 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Let all your thinks be thanks." ~ W.H. Auden)
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To: phillyfanatic

Sorry but I don't find that particularly funny. I'm sure my ancestors, especially the one beheaded by Cromwell in defense of the Church, are spinning in their graves.
The last 50 years, you have a point.


67 posted on 01/28/2007 7:57:22 AM PST by kalee (No burka for me....EVER!)
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To: Alouette
When did homosexualism stop being a sex act and become a race?

when someone realized the government sends checks to a class of voters complaining of mistreatment

68 posted on 01/28/2007 8:12:34 AM PST by alrea (Because the press told them to, day in and day out, 24/7, headline after headline, for six years...)
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To: DWPittelli
Is the Episcopal Church going to renounce Paul?

awesome comment

69 posted on 01/28/2007 8:15:14 AM PST by alrea (Because the press told them to, day in and day out, 24/7, headline after headline, for six years...)
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To: Tax-chick
"... I think homosexualism is actually a religion, although I'm not sure who its god is."

Its god is Man, just like that of the Liberals.

I'm inclined to a certain secularity, especially in government, to a lesser extent in matters of science, and even less in matters of morality.

But that is a long way from the confusion of thinking that man is worthy of worship. Admiration in some regards, perhaps, but not the consideration of deification.

Not yet, and not for a long time.

70 posted on 01/28/2007 8:25:53 AM PST by NicknamedBob (Sign says, "No dogs allowed -- except seeing-eye dogs" Why don't they put that sign down lower?)
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To: Alouette

ROTFLMAO!


71 posted on 01/28/2007 8:35:12 AM PST by SiliconValleyGuy
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Genesis has been torn out of their Bibles.

And so much editing has been done to the rest of it that there are more margin notes than original text.

72 posted on 01/28/2007 8:37:27 AM PST by SiliconValleyGuy
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To: NicknamedBob

Excellent points. For some reason, the title "To Serve Man" just came to mind :-).


73 posted on 01/28/2007 8:48:05 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Let all your thinks be thanks." ~ W.H. Auden)
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To: NicknamedBob

And a good pun there on "raced to the forefront"! I missed it the first several times.


74 posted on 01/28/2007 8:50:46 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Let all your thinks be thanks." ~ W.H. Auden)
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To: Tax-chick

All part of my nefarious technique. I correct spelling errors and grammatical confusions, and then often stand hoist on my own petard by those seeking retribution.

But I get people to scrutinize my words more carefully. Little by little, I infect them with my way of thinking.


75 posted on 01/28/2007 8:59:50 AM PST by NicknamedBob (Sign says, "No dogs allowed -- except seeing-eye dogs" Why don't they put that sign down lower?)
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To: DWPittelli

Thank you for that. It was helpful. You know one thing I am glad about is not having to be on any committee that studies the Bible and make important decisions that effect people's lives. I am Catholic and a follower...


76 posted on 01/28/2007 9:00:44 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

The modern day Episcopal Church should apologize to those with this condition for affirming them in sinful behavior rather than calling them to chastity and holiness.


77 posted on 01/28/2007 9:28:03 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Tax-chick; Kolokotronis
"... the title "To Serve Man" just came to mind ..."

The late Jack Williamson had a phrase also, "To serve and obey, and guard men from harm." As a motto, it sounded flawless, but the humanoid robots chose to implement it with particular emphasis on the last part, "... to guard men from harm."

Accordingly, they prevented people from doing anything that might be potentially harmful. No smoking or drinking, no exciting sports activities, no dangerous work environments ... It has a familiar ring, doesn't it?

It culminated in his story, "With Folded Hands", an evocative title if ever there was one.

Your friend K can explain better than I, but there are many groups and subgroups who believe that man's course, his destiny, is to follow in the footsteps of God, to gradually become more godlike. This is more a spiritual growth than a physical, evolutionary one.

Michael Shaara's description of Man as "Killer Angels" aptly captures the dilemma. We are of two natures; one bestial, and one angelic. These two attributes are constantly at war within us.

Joel Osteen's lecture today mentioned an (American) Indian legend, of an old Chief telling his son that his nature was a battle between two wolves, one of treachery and menace, and the other of nobility and trustworthiness.

"Which wolf will win the battle, Father?" he was asked.

"The one you feed." was his answer.

78 posted on 01/28/2007 9:29:04 AM PST by NicknamedBob (Sign says, "No dogs allowed -- except seeing-eye dogs" Why don't they put that sign down lower?)
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To: kalee

It'a joke on the elitism of Episcopalia.


79 posted on 01/28/2007 9:52:01 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: DWPittelli

I was just a kid reading Mark when even I noticed a transition at the point where the oldest Mark ends. It planted the seed in my mind to look a little closer at what was being added and why. Thus doth cynicism begin...


80 posted on 01/28/2007 9:55:23 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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