Huckabee blurs Bush, Clinton partisan lines (Huckabee bashes Bush)

MSNBC ^ | 29 JANUARY 2007 | AP

[HitmanLV]

All or nothing.

[HitmanLV]

specially when there are competing parties attempting to convince the same stupid populace to go a different way.

If your ideas can't prevail in the marketplace of ideas, you lose. Saying we have the best ideas but an inability to convince anyone of them makes us weak and impotent.

We have carried the day before and will carry the day again. That has nothing to do with how smart or stupid the electorate is.

[ryan71]

Duncan Hunter

http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx

[Old_Mil]

For once, I agree with you 100%. Huckabee just steamed into the same iceberg Rudy's going to, albeit from a different compass point.

[Old_Mil]

Damn, Huckabee seems to be trying to run to the left of Chuck Hagel. I didn't know there was such a place.

There is - it's the place that Clinton and Guliani share on the political spectrum. Huckabee, at least, is to the right of that. Nevertheless, he's done for.

[onyx]

All these people trying to make their "bones" bashing Bush just get scratched off my list.

BUMP!

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

"“I’m not sure that this administration really listened and responded to different points of view,” Huckabee said in a written interview with HOTSOUP.com, a politically minded social networking site. “Republicans were expected to follow without question and Democrats were ignored and therefore felt slighted.”

This is an outright lie.

[jackieaxe]

What happened to conservatism? Conservatism used to be of the Reagan, and later, Gingrich, mold. Fiscal AND social conservative, fairly libertarian approach to government regulation, and pro defense.

I just came over from being a registered libertarian to a registered republican, partially from urgings in the FR forums and partially to be in the mainstream, however, it appears to me a conservative republican is someone with a pro-life agenda, which I don't have a problem with, but it doesn't matter if the "conservative" is for big government spending and regulation programs as long as Jerry Farwell likes them. While I was paying $3.79/gallon for gas, Sam Brownback along with Dick Durban and Barak Obama are fighting to maintain a 51 cent a gallon tariff on imported ethanol. I seen Huckabee this weekend on the news and he's for government subsizided music.

I am so sick of big government liberals calling themselves "conservatives" because they are pro-life and anit-gay.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

he's for government subsizided music.

Please elaborate. I didn't see it.

[hdstmf]

Huckaby and Brownback lost all of my respect this week. Surely the Republicans can do better than this.

I doubt it.

[Sloth]

If your ideas can't prevail in the marketplace of ideas, you lose. Saying we have the best ideas but an inability to convince anyone of them makes us weak and impotent.

It is difficult to imagine two more apt adjectives for the public face of conservatism today.

We have carried the day before and will carry the day again. That has nothing to do with how smart or stupid the electorate is.

Ridiculous. If the populace were intelligent, they'd come to conservative views on their own.

[BnBlFlag]

And just what has Hucky done for the Rep. Party in Ark?

Nothing. The Party there hasn't been in this bad of shape in many years.

[MizSterious]

"I reject the 'electorate as stupid' mentality."

Reject all you want. I think it's called "denial." Any country that, as a whole, refuses to see what we're up against can only be called stupid--in fact, intentionally stupid. In this case, the stupidity tax is going to be high. The 'Rats and those who emulate them are leading us into the abyss.

[HitmanLV]

If the populace were intelligent, they'd come to conservative views on their own.

I disagree here. Reasonable people can look at the same facts and situations, and come to different conclusions.

[lugsoul]

Would you consider it criticizing you if someone said were helping terrorists?

[HitmanLV]

Taking a posture that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid isn't very helpful and severely compromises clear thinking. I don't think the nation as a whole 'refuses' to see what we are up against. I think for many people, the situation hasn't been made clear enough.

And you can thank the administration partially for that. There has been very little attention given to creating a compelling narrative for people to grasp on to. The admin, for example, insisted that we go about our lives as if there was nothing wrong. Guess what: after a few years of that, people begin to feel there is nothing wrong!

The admin's strategy, in this respect, worked too well.

[MizSterious]

"If the populace were intelligent, they'd come to conservative views on their own."

Bingo! And, if the populace were intelligent, they wouldn't buy every snake oil argument and excuse that the media and 'Rat hucksters push. This country is being snookered big time, and unless they wake up, it will cost all of us a lot more than just money.

[lugsoul]

"Bush wants to fight and win the struggle against radical Islam."

I'm not so sure. Then why aren't we fighting radical Islam in the places where it breeds?

The cradle of radical Islam is SA. Our 'ally.'

The highest expression of the blending of radical Islam with governmental and military institutions is Pakistan. Our 'ally.'

Radical Islam was suppressed in Iraq. Our target.

Radical Islam was sheltered in Afghanistan. A nation where we have fewer troops that the number we want to 'surge' into Iraq.

Make all the arguments you want about the 'central front.' None of them can excuse the fact that, if you listed the nations where the propagation of radical Islam is a problem, Iraq would've come in somewhere higher than #10 on the list.

[MizSterious]

Intelligent people--and I mean intelligent enough to think for themselves--would know what we're up against. It's not as though what Islam is up to is any kind of big secret--after all, they openly tell us all the time. These are the same people who think the President "lied" about WMD--so now you're saying they believed him about all the rest?

Now, that's stupid.

[HitmanLV]

They come to different conclusions about the dangers of Islam because they start with different premises. That's not to say they are stupid. That is to say they are wrong, though.

Some people, like the 'president lied' crew, do have a pathological affliction. It's not stupidity, exactly. They just start with their conclusion and work backwards, rather than start with the evidence and come to conclusions. That's certainly not smart, and it does seem stupid, but I think it's more a mental affliction than anything else.