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NFL Prevents Church from having a Superbowl Party!
Fall Creek Baptist Church Website ^

Posted on 02/01/2007 7:38:48 AM PST by pctech

Fall Creek Baptist Church Family...

We regret to inform you that we have had to cancel our bash to view the Colts game this Sunday in a family friendly environment due to the fact that the NFL believes we would be in violation of the Copyright Act, because we had planned to show the game on a screen bigger than a 55 inch diagonal. We have appealed to their legal counsel and exhausted all options without success. We have been informed that the only exceptions to view the game are given to sports bars and restaurants. While we have argued that we only intend to provide a family oriented environment that will make no profit from the showing, the NFL claims that our event cannot proceed by law. Therefore, we have no choice but to challenge this in court or cancel the event. We choose to cancel the event. We deeply regret that we have been prohibited by the NFL from providing a family friendly environment for celebrating the Colts great season.

Pastor John


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: stupidbull; stuporbowel; superbowl
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To: VRWCmember

good answer.


101 posted on 02/01/2007 9:44:59 AM PST by Tigercap
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To: Cable225
they have the right to not allow their broadcast to be "attached" to a particular view.
That's not true at all. That's like telling me that I can't watch porn during the commercials.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Did you actually read the article?
Yes, I did.

there isn't any point in arguing the point with you.
Understatement of the day award goes to you.
102 posted on 02/01/2007 9:46:09 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Red Badger

BYOTV


103 posted on 02/01/2007 9:52:38 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Ulysses

I had heard the tailgating ban was at the behest of Homeland Security, not the NFL.


104 posted on 02/01/2007 9:53:48 AM PST by Kathy in Calif
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To: HEY4QDEMS
That's not true at all. That's like telling me that I can't watch porn during the commercials. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Always nice to engage in an adult conversation. And you are quite correct, I have no idea what YOU are talking about. Let's not carry this any further as I suspect the only thing we'll accomplish is a lot of typing practice.

105 posted on 02/01/2007 10:00:05 AM PST by Cable225 (I almost never post, and rarely reply - but I donate to FR. How about you?)
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To: tiki

Now that's just too logical


106 posted on 02/01/2007 10:03:14 AM PST by smalltownslick
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To: pctech
But what you folks think about this?

They should publicly say it is cancelled but have it anyway.

Either that or view the game on a screen smaller than 55". Screw the NFL on this one. What a bunch of

   S

107 posted on 02/01/2007 10:07:31 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Res firma mitescere nescit)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
they have the right to not allow their broadcast to be "attached" to a particular view.

That's not true at all. That's like telling me that I can't watch porn during the commercials.

You can't charge people money to come to a "Super Bowl" party and advertize that you are showing porn during halftime. The NFL owns the rights. It is broadcast for private, non-commercial exhibition.

And those who are so quick to criticize the NFL for not wanting to mingle its product with a Christian message need to ask themselves what they would think if it was a Mosque or a Klan rally hosting the party.

108 posted on 02/01/2007 10:07:41 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: SoothingDave
You can't charge people money to come to a "Super Bowl" party

Of course I can, I have attended several such parties.


advertize that you are showing porn during halftime. The NFL owns the rights. It is broadcast for private, non-commercial exhibition.

Tuning into the Superbowl does not obligate me to not change channels during halftime.
109 posted on 02/01/2007 10:17:28 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
You can't charge people money to come to a "Super Bowl" party

Of course I can, I have attended several such parties.

Pardon me, you can't legally charge people money to come to a "Super Bowl" party. Maybe someday you'll own your own intellectual property and think about how you would defend it.

110 posted on 02/01/2007 10:21:15 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: pctech

I can't imagine watching the game in a church in the first place. I know some think the NFL is a religion but this goes a little beyond that.

Could you imagine being a Colts fan, sitting in church and watching Manning get picked off for a touchdown without being able to let loose a curse word or two??

I think the NFL is being completely stupid about this but I think the church is too.


111 posted on 02/01/2007 10:23:13 AM PST by Tall_Texan (NO McCain, Rudy, Romney, Hillary, Kerry, Obama or Gore in 2008!)
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To: SoothingDave
Pardon me, you can't legally charge people money to come to a "Super Bowl"

If I throw a SB party and purchase beverages and food that costs $500 and I invite 9 people plus myself and charge each attendee $50 to cover the cost, that is perfectly legal. It is not a commercial exploitation.
Also any other activity that I have planned for that particular party is of no consequence to the NFL nor should it be.
112 posted on 02/01/2007 10:27:46 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Sloth

Agreed. If their transmission signal so much as crosses the property line they are trespassing. Their "property" is subject to confiscation at that point.


113 posted on 02/01/2007 10:29:03 AM PST by eyedigress
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To: HEY4QDEMS
There's a difference between pooling money together as a group and advertizing an open invitation to the public.
114 posted on 02/01/2007 10:31:42 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: KsSunflower

Part of the problem is that people don't really think about the copyright. They have their copy and don't think that they are doing anything wrong. The woman who wanted this material in the bulletin had tried to order what we needed and when they told her that they couldn't meet the order in time, she wanted to just make copies, I had to tell her why we couldn't but I also told her to call on the copyright fee. They were actually astounded when we asked and had to get back to us with an amount.


115 posted on 02/01/2007 10:46:51 AM PST by tiki
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To: SoothingDave
There's a difference between pooling money together as a group and advertizing an open invitation to the public.

True, but there is also a difference between a nonprofit church community using the Super Bowl as a fund raiser, than a business doing the same for commercial profit.

If the NFL wants to prevent a network from broadcasting testimonials of Dungy and Smith, they are well within their right to do so, but to tell a private organization or even a barroom that they are not allowed to view anything else during the broadcast. That's absurd.
116 posted on 02/01/2007 10:48:47 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: SoothingDave

Would a Klan rally include testimonials from Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy? LOL


117 posted on 02/01/2007 10:53:49 AM PST by Tall_Texan (NO McCain, Rudy, Romney, Hillary, Kerry, Obama or Gore in 2008!)
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To: UpAllNight
They were initially notified because they were advertising to come watch the Super Bowl and listing the admission fee. A big no-no. Also, they were advertising the testimonials of NFL players.

Well then, they were afoul of the law. "Super Bowl" is copyrighted. You'll notice that advertisers that have not bought a license from the NFL never use the term, talking instead about the "big game."

The only thing I question is if the NFL would be able to restrict the screen size so long as there is no admission fee, no collection and no "donations," and no use of the term "Super Bowl." It sounds like fair use to me.

118 posted on 02/01/2007 10:55:31 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: HEY4QDEMS
True, but there is also a difference between a nonprofit church community using the Super Bowl as a fund raiser, than a business doing the same for commercial profit.

Profit is profit. It's commercial use of the NFL's property. You can easily make an argument that the NFL "should" allow this unlicensed use of its property because it's "a good cause." But where does it end?

Maybe all FReepers can agree that the average Christian Church is a good cause, or the local kid with leukemia. But what happens when Greenpeace or the World Wildlife Fund wants to use the Super Bowl to raise money for their good cause?

What happens when the local Mosque or Klan gathering wants to use the Super Bowl to profit their "good causes"?

Would FReepers be so much in support if the benefactor of the party was Planned Parenthood? The NFL has to set a "no exceptions" policy. If you thought about it abstractly, you'd see. If you would change your mind about the NFL if it allowed a "charity" you don't approve of to do the same thing, then you aren't really thinking of the big picture.

119 posted on 02/01/2007 10:56:58 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: SoothingDave
intellectual property

Somehow. the use of the word intellectual in connection with the superbowl appears ironic.

120 posted on 02/01/2007 11:00:02 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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