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US Military Chiefs Eye Confrontation With Iran
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2-4-2007 | Philip Sherwell

Posted on 02/03/2007 6:26:30 PM PST by blam

US military chiefs eye confrontation with Iran

By Philip Sherwell in Washington, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:51am GMT 04/02/2007

America's military chiefs are at loggerheads with the country's diplomats and spies over tactics for confronting Iranian agents in Iraq over their role in lethal attacks on US forces.

American drones are flying over Iran in search of intelligence about its nuclear facilities

The rift has spilled over into a dispute about how and when to publish alleged evidence of Iranian backing for Iraqi militias and Iran's provision of supplies and technology for roadside bombs, the biggest killer of American soldiers in Iraq, a White House adviser revealed.

It is fuelling fears among some US diplomats - shared by Britain and its European allies - that hawks within President George W Bush's administration are preparing the ground for military action against Teheran before he leaves office in 23 months.

Angered by the mounting toll of troops killed by ever-more sophisticated devices, US commanders insisted last month that the White House give them authority to target and kill Iranian operatives in Iraq as part of the new 21,500-troop "surge" strategy ordered by Mr Bush.

But the State Department, headed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and the CIA had argued against openly targeting Iranian agents, most of whom claim to be diplomats based at Teheran's network of consulates, liaison offices and cultural offices in Iraq.

They contended that this approach could escalate into direct armed conflict with Iran, which is under intense international pressure to give up its nuclear programme.

The State Department and the CIA, which both objected to the way the Bush administration used pre-war intelligence on Iraq, also wanted to publicise clear evidence of Iranian interference in Iraq as a way of justifying the US stance.

"The military's highest echelons really do not want the release of details of what Iran is up to as they don't want the Iranians to know what's working and what's not," the administration adviser said.

"The military and the State Department and CIA are coming at this from very different approaches. State and the CIA believe we should respect the supposed diplomatic immunity of these Iranians. But the military has had enough and they say 'to hell with their fake diplomatic immunity'."

The splits within the administration come as reports emerge of new variants of "explosively formed projectiles" allegedly made with Iranian help.

The Pentagon said the first soldier was killed by one of the devices on Jan 22, but it is refusing to give further details of their use because it wants to limit the information available to its enemies.

The US has also suggested that Iranian operatives may have been involved in the abduction and killing of five soldiers in Kerbala, a potentially explosive accusation. But Stephen Hadley, Mr Bush's national security adviser, acknowledged on Friday that the intelligence briefing on Iranian interference in Iraq - publication of which has been delayed twice - was still being refined.

The build-up of anti-Iran rhetoric and despatch of two US aircraft carriers to the region has echoes for some of the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, prompting suspicions about the intentions of the remaining hawks within the administration, led by the vice-president, Dick Cheney.

The defence secretary, Robert Gates, sought to play down these concerns on Friday, saying that the US was not planning for a war with Iran but was determined to stop Iranians supplying bombs for attacks on American troops in Iraq.

Dan Goure, a Pentagon consultant, said that targeting Iranian operatives in Iraq was crucial to Mr Bush's "surge" strategy. "You cannot try to deal with the militia if you're not dealing with the Iranians backing them," he said. "The message now is that the gloves are off. This is Bush's last chance in Iraq and he isn't going to hold back."

The US has also increased flights of unmanned spy planes over the border corridor between Iraq and Iran, to track movements across the frontier to back up its claims about Teheran's behaviour.

The drones were being flown into Iran from bases in Iraq to maintain a 24-hour check on a corridor running along "much" of the Iranian side of the border, an American intelligence officer told this newspaper.

The US is intent on not launching any attacks that could inadvertently hit Iranian soil. But once suspects were a few miles from the border inside Iraq, they would be "whacked", the officer said.

John Pike, director of the military think-tank GlobalSecurity.org, said there were 600 or 700 drones operating in Iraq and "the air is thick with them".

The Iranian military had upgraded gun and missile posts a few miles into its territory and was trying to bring down the drones, the intelligence officer said. The US is also believed to be flying drones above Iranian territory in search of intelligence about its nuclear facilities. The drones can use radar, video, still photography and air filters designed to pick up traces of nuclear activity to gather information that is not accessible by satellites.

Teheran claims it developed its secret atomic programme for civilian energy purposes, but Western governments believe it is pursuing a nuclear bomb.

•Mr Bush has asked Congress for an additional $245 billion (£125 billion) for Iraq and Afghanistan for the next two fiscal years. If approved, the overall cost of the "war on terror" since the Sept 11 2001 attacks will rise to nearly $750 billion (£381 billion) - more in real terms than was spent on the Vietnam war.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: confrontation; iran; military; us

1 posted on 02/03/2007 6:26:32 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Here ya goes... Ernest, my good man!!!


2 posted on 02/03/2007 6:27:45 PM PST by SierraWasp (Grayout Davis, Gang-Green Schwartzenegger... Recycled Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown!!! Watch for it in 4!!!)
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To: blam
"But once suspects were a few miles from the border inside Iraq, they would be "whacked", the officer said."

WHACK A MOLE!!! (dare base/robot plane version)

3 posted on 02/03/2007 6:37:46 PM PST by SierraWasp (Grayout Davis, Gang-Green Schwartzenegger... Recycled Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown!!! Watch for it in 4!!!)
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To: blam

Let's see how my summary of this article sounds:

Pencil necks in Washington D.C. don't mind sacrificing our fighting men and women in order to save face in the international community.

I wonder if these pencil necks would be as cavalier if it were there spouse or child fighting in Iraq? Actually, I know the answer to this one.


4 posted on 02/03/2007 6:42:04 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: blam

W W H T D ?


5 posted on 02/03/2007 6:53:15 PM PST by freepersup (find the enemy... destroy the enemy... remain vigilant)
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To: freepersup; All

In other words:

What Would Harry Truman Do?


6 posted on 02/03/2007 6:54:19 PM PST by freepersup (find the enemy... destroy the enemy... remain vigilant)
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To: blam
We shouldn't fight back against Iran; we should let them kill with impunity as they've been doing for about 30 years now. They should be allowed to kill Americans the same way they kill Lebanese, Brits, Iraqis, and Israelis. We should be mature and responsible, not like when we removed St. Saddam. // Sarcasm off.
7 posted on 02/03/2007 7:00:00 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Hagel, Obama, Voinovich and Biden making the world safe for Iranian terrorists.)
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To: blam

F the British snots...they don't even matter to anyone anymore..except their overblown selves ofcourse


8 posted on 02/03/2007 7:08:50 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (Find out what brand the Ethiopians are drinking and send a case to all my generals.)
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To: freepersup

he's stop our generals from invading a neighboring country..or thats what he did


9 posted on 02/03/2007 7:10:50 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (Find out what brand the Ethiopians are drinking and send a case to all my generals.)
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To: blam
They contended that this approach could escalate into direct armed conflict with Iran, which is under intense international pressure to give up its nuclear programme.

The State department and apparently the CIA live in a dream world. Iran clearly feels no pressure whatsoever to give up its nuclear program, and won't, without the credible threat and probably the reality of armed conflict.

10 posted on 02/03/2007 7:15:03 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: blam
But the State Department, headed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and the CIA had argued against openly targeting Iranian agents, most of whom claim to be diplomats based at Teheran's network of consulates, liaison offices and cultural offices in Iraq . . . the administration adviser said. "The military and the State Department and CIA are coming at this from very different approaches. State and the CIA believe we should respect the supposed diplomatic immunity of these Iranians. But the military has had enough and they say 'to hell with their fake diplomatic immunity'."

For some, losing the War is not only thinkable but desirable. Running interference for the enemy to eventually destroy our own nation is a terrible price to pay in order to allow the presumed and hoped-for destruction of Israel. The enemy only screeches against Israel as a ruse to buy more time for building his nuclear arsenal and attacking all western culture countries.

IMO, letting a herd of snooty, libertine, religious identity Euro-philes with their rants against us "neo-cons" (AKA Jews and people who don't hate them) into our government for the sake of "compassionate conservatism" was a big mistake. Fire them all, Mr. President, and get some real Americans in there.
11 posted on 02/03/2007 7:49:51 PM PST by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: SierraWasp; blam

Thanks....the damn appeasers are in high places...


12 posted on 02/03/2007 9:18:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: SierraWasp; blam
Just checked the BBC feed and they have this:

US ex-generals reject Iran strike

Last Updated: Sunday, 4 February 2007, 02:20 GMT Printable version
US ex-generals reject Iran strike
Gen Joseph Hoar, a former commander-in-chief, US Central Command
Gen Hoar was one of the signatories of the letter
Three former high-ranking American military officers have warned against any military attack on Iran.

They said such action would have "disastrous consequences" for security in the Middle East and also for coalition forces in Iraq.

They said the crisis over Tehran's nuclear programme must be resolved through diplomacy, urging Washington to start direct talks with Iran.

The letter was published in Britain's Sunday Times newspaper.

It was signed by:

  • Lt Gen Robert Gard, a former military assistant to the US defence secretary

  • Gen Joseph Hoar, a former commander-in-chief, US Central Command

  • Vice Adm Jack Shanahan, a former director of the Center for Defense Information

"As former US military leaders, we strongly caution against the use of military force against Iran," the authors said.

View of Iranian nuclear facility. File photo
Iran's account of its nuclear programme has not satisfed the US

They said such action would further exacerbate regional and global tensions.

"A strategy of diplomatic engagement with Iran would serve the interests of the US and the UK and potentially could enhance regional and international security," the letter said.

It also said that "the British government has a vital role play in securing a renewed diplomatic push and making it clear that it will oppose any recourse to military force".

The US and its Western allies suspect Iran of using its nuclear programme as a cover to produce nuclear weapons, a claim denied by Tehran.

Washington has so far refused to rule out military action if Iran does not halt its nuclear activities.

The US has also recently beefed up its military presence in the Gulf.


13 posted on 02/03/2007 9:24:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: elhombrelibre

See #13.


14 posted on 02/03/2007 9:25:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It sure makes one wonder how these guys got promoted to their level of incompetence before they retired. They certainly never learned the concept of courage!!!

They just learned how to be CYA Bureaucrats... That's ALL!!! Now they're turning on their former employer!!!

15 posted on 02/04/2007 8:10:23 AM PST by SierraWasp (Grayout Davis, Gang-Green Schwartzenegger... Recycled Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown!!! Watch for it in 4!!!)
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