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To: Tom D.
I have been arguing about this with some "believers" over on a catus forum I am a member of. I posted the following diatribe the other day. I am very proud that my dissertation touches on many of the points Mark makes in his. I am also consistanly amazed at how much better MArk says it (sigh). Here it is: "The sky is falling - The sky is falling" - Chicken Little circa 1955 I have no "political agenda". I don't let political or emotional "feelings" get in the way of "the truth". I neither love nor hate George Bush. I neither Love nor hate Bill Clinton. I do have an opinion on which was a better president - which I won't discuss here. However, I do have alot of common sense, long-term historical perspective and a keen sense of observation of nature. I keep reading and seeing and being bombarded with all these doom and gloom scenarios - which are identical to the untrue doom and gloom scenarios I've heard all my life (as I said in a previous post, I have a big stack of National Geographic "Weekly Readers" here I saved from 1969-1973 - many of which have the predictions of:

Overpopulation will kill everybody.
Man-made Pollution is going to kill us - and all wildlife.
Fish stocks in the ocean will be gone by 2000.
We'll be out of oil sometime in the 1990s.
My personal favorite:"The Next Ice Age".

Since then, we've had Ozone holes, AID's epidemics, Bird Flu.... the list goes on.

The only thing all of these "problems" have in common is this:

NONE of them happened - Not one.

Now, add to that a study of Climate history and one will find that, since the earth cooled, The climate has been changing. I have Palm Tree Fossils from the Mountains of West Virginia - there's no palm trees there now.
We've had anywhere from 5-20 "mass extinction events" on this planet - depending on your school of thought. We have had at least 6 Ice Ages.
In between the Ice Ages - which is where we are now - we have had periods of much higher temperatures.

None of this was man-made.


Everyday, we have a warming and cooling cycle - we call it a "day & night".

Every year, we have a warming and cooling cycle - we call it "summer & winter".

Now, suddenly we happen to live in a time where we can "notice" the 1500 year long heating and cooling cycle - and we're doomed.

And, not only are we doomed - it's also "our fault"

No, we're not doomed.

And no it's not "our fault".

It is no more "our fault" than the daily and yearly cycles are "our fault". And, even if this bigger cycle would kill us (which it won't), we can no more stop it than we could stop summer from arriving.

Nor would we want to.

Could you imagine the devastation that would occur if we could stop the tilt of the earth on it's axis in order to prevent winter??? It would be 10 times worse than the effects of winter itself. Back in the old days, before science learned a few things, a comet would appear in the sky or a volcano would explode and the natives would think "we made the Gods angry" and they would go and cut out the hearts of a few perfectly good virgins or burn them alive on the altar.
Now, we know that the natives didn't have the power "to make the gods angry", and what was happening was a natural occurrence.

Not surprisingly, most of the time, the leaders of these people knew that the sacrifices actually did nothing to appease the Gods either - but it sure helped them keep hold of thier power-base.

Fast forward 2000 or so years and just look at new sophistication. Oh, sorry, there IS no new sophistication. The natives are doing the same thing!!
The climate is changing. We don't "understand it". Our leaders tell us it is because "the Gods are angry at our evil SUV's and our evil indulgent lifestyles".
Our only "new sophistication" comes from knowing that sacrifing virgins won't do anything. Instead, we'll install new laws to tax and cripple the best economies in the world - while, once again, cementing the hold on power by those in charge.

Same ploys, same tactics, slightly different parameters - and the natives STILL fall for it. Amazing.

The only thing that would cause me to worry is if the climate ever stopped changing.

Mars is undergoing "global warming". Experts believe Pluto is also undergoing "Global warming". Hmm.... what's the common thread.
Could it be this:

As I have said many times, look around. Think for yourself. Follow the money. When one has a car inspected to get tags and registration, they ALWAYS find something wrong. Why, there's no money in not finding anything wrong. Same thing holds true in Climatology - only the dollar amounts are much, much bigger. So relax, enjoy the warmer weather. Grow more tropical plants. I myself, have 6 palm trees in my yard in Maryland. They're doing great! And, call me vile, but I am smugly happy about it.

13 posted on 02/04/2007 5:51:15 AM PST by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: KeepUSfree
"these people knew that the sacrifices actually did nothing to appease the Gods either - but it sure helped them keep hold of their power-base."

Like good ole Al-pocaylpto Gore!
23 posted on 02/04/2007 6:33:07 AM PST by dblshot
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To: KeepUSfree

I love this graphic. Can you provide the source?


39 posted on 02/04/2007 7:40:00 AM PST by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: KeepUSfree
"Back in the old days, before science learned a few things, a comet would appear in the sky or a volcano would explode and the natives would think "we made the Gods angry" and they would go and cut out the hearts of a few perfectly good virgins or burn them alive on the altar. Now, we know that the natives didn't have the power "to make the gods angry", and what was happening was a natural occurrence. Not surprisingly, most of the time, the leaders of these people knew that the sacrifices actually did nothing to appease the Gods either - but it sure helped them keep hold of thier power-base. Fast forward 2000 or so years and just look at new sophistication. Oh, sorry, there IS no new sophistication. The natives are doing the same thing!! The climate is changing. We don't "understand it". Our leaders tell us it is because "the Gods are angry at our evil SUV's and our evil indulgent lifestyles". Our only "new sophistication" comes from knowing that sacrifing virgins won't do anything. Instead, we'll install new laws to tax and cripple the best economies in the world - while, once again, cementing the hold on power by those in charge. Same ploys, same tactics, slightly different parameters - and the natives STILL fall for it. Amazing."

You got it.

IPCC is just another political arm of the UN whose members are responsible for emitting CO-2 from one end and Methane from the other while attempting to blame it on the USA.

There are two sorts of scientists who are involved with them; those who knowingly participate in their scams, and the credulous useful idiots who actually think they care about the "environment". bttt

15 posted on 02/01/2007 9:56:09 PM EST by Matchett-PI


52 posted on 02/04/2007 10:37:34 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: KeepUSfree
"Everyday, we have a warming and cooling cycle - we call it a "day & night".

Every year, we have a warming and cooling cycle - we call it "summer & winter".

Now, suddenly we happen to live in a time where we can "notice" the 1500 year long heating and cooling cycle - and we're doomed.

Good essay, man. See my tagline.

55 posted on 02/04/2007 11:43:29 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Life is Change. How it differs from the rocks." (Crown of Creation, Jefferson Airplane.))
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To: KeepUSfree
Your post is quite convincing and produces a quite logical conclusion: man-made "climate change" is bunk.

But my question is this: Why does anybody believe this crap about global warming?

I'll answer my own question:

1. The people who drive man-made "climate change" know it's a bunch of crap. Instead, they are driven by an anti-capitalist political agenda.

2. Many of the people who believe in this hypotheses believe only because the MSM is promoting it -- exclusive of the facts.

3. The MSM either shares the anti-capitalist political agenda (above) or is too damn dumb to find the facts (much less, follow them).

Because of all these dysfunctions, we are on the verge of policy by hysteria.

61 posted on 02/04/2007 4:21:28 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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