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Texas Girls Will Get HPV Vaccine
News Observer ^ | 02/03/07 | Liz Austin Peterson

Posted on 02/05/2007 7:13:36 AM PST by Froufrou

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To: Froufrou

Are there any data on the cases where HPV vaccine has an unintended effect? Surely there are some such cases. Surely it's up to the parents to decide if they want to take those risks. Isn't it?


21 posted on 02/05/2007 7:31:42 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: Froufrou
The distinction has to be made - is a disease providing a clear and present danger to public health; namely, can one walk into a room and give everyone bird flu? If so, then yes, mandatory vaccinations are permissable as it is preventing the community from being wiped out.

In this case, it's more difficult to catch, and there is an element of choice in catching it (one doesn't HAVE to have sex). By all means, the vaccine should be available. If the Governor had gotten the drug companies to give a discount, he should be applauded - but that's not what he's doing.

Regards, Ivan

22 posted on 02/05/2007 7:35:10 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: BenLurkin; zerosix; MamaTexan

There's something very ugly about all this. It's very powermad, I think. What if this vaccine has not had sufficient trial? What if we have a huge Gen. Next down the road who can't have kids themselves or have some other permanent side effect?


23 posted on 02/05/2007 7:35:13 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

If I lived in Texas and had a daughter, and could not opt out, I would move. This smells like the Soviet Union!


24 posted on 02/05/2007 7:36:48 AM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

"PARENTS CAN OPT OUT FOR RELIGIOUS OR MORAL GROUNDS."

And seat belt laws are never going to be a primary offense. And your SSN will never be used as an identifier. And you can do anything you want with property you own.

In 10 years your "opt out" clause will be a quaint memory.


25 posted on 02/05/2007 7:37:38 AM PST by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Are there any data on the cases where HPV vaccine has an unintended effect? Surely there are some such cases. Surely it's up to the parents to decide if they want to take those risks. Isn't it?

Scroll through this thread. There's lot's of good links & information.

26 posted on 02/05/2007 7:38:52 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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To: VRing

bttt


27 posted on 02/05/2007 7:38:54 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Mad Dawg; penowa; LucyT; MadIvan

'religious or philosophical' opting out? Won't this truly label the family?

I think they even tested males with their trials. Hmmm...


28 posted on 02/05/2007 7:39:01 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: MeanWestTexan
>>>>>>"He ordered the vaccine be made available. PARENTS CAN OPT OUT FOR RELIGIOUS OR MORAL GROUNDS"<<<<<<<

Parents may soon be able to "OPT OUT" because Perry may find his A$$ on the street.

There are far many more reasons to opt out than Religious or Moral grounds.

What is it with Nanny Staters that love the boots of Government bearing down on the back of their necks?

TT
29 posted on 02/05/2007 7:40:15 AM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Froufrou
I am beginning to wonder if Kinky Friedman was the better bet.

Regards, Ivan

30 posted on 02/05/2007 7:40:21 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MamaTexan

"Since a vaccination is a MEDICAL procedure, Governor Perry is practicing medicine without a license."

The authority is in the Education Code. Same authority that requires all the other vaccinations (measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus) for school kids.


31 posted on 02/05/2007 7:41:11 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan
No, and he didn't. He ordered the vaccine be made available. PARENTS CAN OPT OUT FOR RELIGIOUS OR MORAL GROUNDS.

No, he ordered that it be mandatory for all girls entering the sixth grade, with parental opt-out provisions that may or may not be ignored by schools.

Me? I wouldn't want my daughters to die because they or their future husbands made a stupid mistake, so I would not object.

How would you like for your 11 or 12 y/o daughter to die from an allergic reation to a vaccination that has had inadequate testing.

32 posted on 02/05/2007 7:41:34 AM PST by VRWCmember (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
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To: VRing

Exactly!


33 posted on 02/05/2007 7:42:15 AM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: MadIvan; All

Me, too.

I was right. The trials included tests on males 9-15:

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf


34 posted on 02/05/2007 7:42:33 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: VRing

"In 10 years your "opt out" clause will be a quaint memory."

Nonsense. You can still opt out of all vaccinations, and have been able to since the polio vaccine came out.


35 posted on 02/05/2007 7:42:36 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: TommyDale
I suspect a pharmaceutical company (Merck) did one heck of a sales job on the State of Texas.

Rick Perry's former chief of staff is a lobbyist for them. 'nuff said.
36 posted on 02/05/2007 7:42:37 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: BenLurkin
Does the governor in Texas have the authority to ORDER people to take a particular medicine?

Nope, and Perry is going to get crucified for this.

37 posted on 02/05/2007 7:42:52 AM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Are there any data on the cases where HPV vaccine has an unintended effect? Surely there are some such cases. Surely it's up to the parents to decide if they want to take those risks. Isn't it?

The data is very limited because there has been insufficient time and testing for those potential items to surface, not to mention that the medical community has no idea what kind of super-strains of HPV will mutate as a result of this vaccination getting into contact with existing HPV and/or combinations of HPV and herpes or chlamydia.

38 posted on 02/05/2007 7:44:07 AM PST by VRWCmember (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
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To: VRWCmember

"How would you like for your 11 or 12 y/o daughter to die from an allergic reation to a vaccination that has had inadequate testing."

Since I don't live in fantasy luddite land, I don't have to worry about that.


39 posted on 02/05/2007 7:44:16 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Froufrou
Sorry Froufrou, I missed your ping. I should have posted the link in #26 to you as well.

This thing does smell. Pardon me while I don my tinfoil hat, but I have my suspicions that it's all tied to the UN's Healthy People 2010 mess which is being used to establish a database for universal health-care.

We may not see it in our lifetimes, but our children most likely will.....with their life-long medical records from attending 'public school' to implement it.

40 posted on 02/05/2007 7:46:16 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am not an administrative, public, or legal 'person'.....and neither are my children!)
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