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Firearms Industry Warns: Giuliani No Friend to Gun Owners
National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) ^ | February 6, 2007 | Ted Novin

Posted on 02/06/2007 12:08:48 PM PST by 300magnum

NEWTOWN, Conn.—In response to New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's filing of a statement of candidacy with the Federal Election Commission yesterday, indicating that he would enter the 2008 presidential race as a Republican, the firearms industry's trade association, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), reminded America's sportsmen and gun-enthusiasts of the former mayor's record of hostility toward firearms and gun-owners.

"Recent remarks indicate the mayor is attempting to camouflage his record on guns – a political maneuver now common for politicians seeking national office," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel.

In June of 2000, then New York City Mayor Giuliani became the lone Republican mayor to sue members of the firearms industry as part of a wave of lawsuits that began in the late 1990's by major metropolitan cities like Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington, DC, Philadelphia and San Francisco that sought to hold firearms manufactures responsible for the criminal misuse of firearms. The Giuliani lawsuit is still pending and being aggressively pursued by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Giuliani strongly opposed legislation blocking suits like the one he filed against members of the firearms industry. In 2005, President Bush signed legislation into law that barred such lawsuits after Congress, by a broad bipartisan margin, passed the bill. During the debate in Congress the Giuliani lawsuit was specifically referred to as an example of the kind of "junk" lawsuit the law is intended to stop.

"Giuliani's lawsuit may have gained him praise in Gotham, but will surely handicap him in the rest of the country, particularly during the southern primaries," predicted Keane.

More recently Giuliani's campaign has flipped-flopped on whether he continues his longstanding support for restoring the Clinton-era federal ban on some semi-automatic rifles based on cosmetic appearance. The so-called "assault weapons" ban sunset in 2004. Several studies including those by the Department of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control showed the ban had no impact on crime largely because the banned firearms were very rarely if ever used in crime. The ban had nothing to do with machine guns, which have remained heavily regulated since the early part of the last century.

According to the New York Post, Giuliani's political operative in New Hampshire, Wayne Semprini, "has been telling voters that the mayor will be an 'easy sell' - and that the ex-mayor 'satisfied' him that he won't support federal assault-weapons bans, as he has in the past." All the while Anthony Carbonetti, Giuliani's top advisor, has been telling New Yorkers "the mayor's position on this [the assault weapons ban] has not changed."

Commenting on this equivocation, Keane added, "You can't pretend to be a supporter of sportsmen and gun-owners in New Hampshire when you tried to sue the firearms industry out of existence in New York. Other politicians learned the hard way that sportsmen and gun-owners are a well-informed and highly motivated voting bloc. Former President Clinton in his memoirs admitted the gun issue cost Al Gore the White House, and Senator Kerry's ill-fated goose hunt cooked his presidential aspirations in 2004."

Formed in 1961, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) is the trade association for the firearms industry. For more information, visit www.nssf.org.


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; giuliani2008; guncontrol; retardsforrudy
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To: jmc813
In other words, blacks.

And hispanics, and middle class urban dwellers. Mostly folk who live in high crime areas.

281 posted on 02/06/2007 5:15:58 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: markch
Gore and Kerry made it clear they wouldn't go after our guns. But we didn't believe them because of their past actions. Same thing here.

It is widely believed that Gore's support of gun control cost him his home state of Tennessee and, in turn, the presidency.

282 posted on 02/06/2007 5:17:45 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: jmc813
I would not make the accusation relative to Rudy, but there's a large racial component to gun laws. The first date to efforts to keep firearms out of the hands of blacks in the post civil war era. In the early 20th century, to keep them away from eastern European and Mediterranean types, in the 60s, back to blacks again.
283 posted on 02/06/2007 5:18:06 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: LetsRok
Rudy governed New York City as a New Yorker. The public ASKED for more gun control.

My CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS do not end at the New York city limits!

284 posted on 02/06/2007 5:19:37 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Joe Brower; dirtboy
Indeed...Rudy is no friend of the 2nd Amendment.

At the risk of repeating myself to those of you who have heard my story, I obtained a pistol carry permit in 1979 (with appropriate proof of need) for a .380 (I know, I know, it's a pop-gun, but easily concealed, light and with hollow points has pretty good stopping power). In 1981, I obtained a second carry for a 5-shot .38 S&W snub nosed revolver (I needed another gun when the auto was in the shop and since my dad had been a NYC detective, it was a bit of homage to him, since that's what he carried), but they would laugh me off the range since the slugs appeared to come off at 45 degree angles.

At any rate, I carried those guns for all those years, never had a problem. Only had to place my hand on the .380 twice in all of that time, but never pulled it. Therefore, never an incident.

Re-upped the license every two years on my birthday, but in '98, Rudy changed the rules and made it almost impossible to renew for me and hundreds of other, law-abiding citizens that had carried for years.

And that's the truth...

285 posted on 02/06/2007 5:21:35 PM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: Antoninus

Who manages the "Bang" list anyway?



I think it is whoever is logged in.


286 posted on 02/06/2007 5:24:41 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: 300magnum

GOOD THING SEAN HANNITY IS PROMOTING THIS GUY...


287 posted on 02/06/2007 5:26:27 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 2...GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: blackie
The Rudy apologists will make excuses for this gun hater!

I think that their stock reply is "But he'll appoint judges who are strict constructionists; like Scalia." But this begs the question: Shouldn't Rudy be a strict constructionist himself?!

What part of "shall not be infringed" escapes Rudy the strict constructionist?
 

288 posted on 02/06/2007 5:26:50 PM PST by Redcloak ("Shooting makes me feel better!" -Aeryn Sun)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Shrillary may be a worse candidate than Kerry, but that remains to be seen. (I like what you said about her voice -- "like a car alarm" -- good one!) Kerry was indeed pretty bad, and he came very close to winning, against a Bush who was more popular than now, and with the Iraq war more popular than now. I tend to agree with Dick Morris that there will be a massive turnout of single women (normally not very good voters) for her. The media bias will be at least as bad as it was in '04, and I suspect worse. For two reasons: One, feminism. Two, if Newt is the candidate, an awareness that the MSM and Rats are faced with a much more serious opponent (should Newt be elected) than GWB was. There has been only one elections in which there was such a direct threat to this Establishment: 1980 with Reagan, a situation that tilted our way because there was a Democratic administration to blame for the economy and the international mess. In '08, incumbency will work against us, even against Newt if he's the nominee, even though Newt is, in substantive terms, practically the anti-GWB in terms of conservative seriousness.


289 posted on 02/06/2007 5:30:08 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Dominic Harr













290 posted on 02/06/2007 5:31:33 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: 300magnum

I've grown increasingly cold to Rudy over the last few days. I now am totally against him. If it's between Rudy and Hillary I will either vote Libertarian or just stay the hell home. I don't feel much better about McCain or Romney. Where have all the conservatives gone?!?


291 posted on 02/06/2007 5:32:46 PM PST by KoRn
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Hmm, since 1976 they have achieved not much on this agenda in many states, and a whole lot in others. NY is the poster child for gun control.


292 posted on 02/06/2007 6:00:31 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
"the pro-abortion wing of the party trying to assert itself and a lot of people who fundamentally agree with the 2nd Amendment but have don't any real personal stake in it (or so they think, because they don't own firearms)."

You nailed it right there!
293 posted on 02/06/2007 7:02:52 PM PST by Beagle8U (SNICKERS......Its packed with fudge !)
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To: All

bump


294 posted on 02/06/2007 7:03:05 PM PST by Sun (Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
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To: 300magnum; Joe Brower
Thanks magnum. I just scratched Giuliani of my list. N oway I vote for McCain either. I'm still open to Romney...how is he on the 2nd Amendment?

Who else is running who is a strong Reagan Conservative and will defend the 2nd Amendment?


295 posted on 02/06/2007 7:09:18 PM PST by BlueOneGolf (The 2nd Amendment...America's ORIGINAL Homeland Security! http://www.ar15.com)
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To: California Patriot
I think Morris is underestimating anti-Hillary sentiment among women. This isn't 1998, she's not the sympathetic, victimized First Lady anymore. She's a case study in blind ambition. I think the apolitical single females Morris is worrying about are going to remember exactly why they're apolitical when they listen to this woman talk.

Morris is also underestimating how much she'll suppress the male Democratic vote. I work with two hard-core Democrats, they both swear they'll stay home if she gets the nomination. They may or may not, but she's the only candidate in the field who evokes such an instantaneous, negative reaction. I think any gains she makes with single females, she loses right back with blue-collar male Democrats.

Your point about the incumbency working against is well taken. But Gingrich would have one advantage: he didn't vote for the war. Whether or not he would have is irrelevant. Hillary's going to have a difficult time playing guilty-by-association with a 10-year private citizen over a war she authorized. If the War Blame card is off the table, all we're left with is ideas. Obviously, that plays to Newt's strength.

296 posted on 02/06/2007 7:10:24 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: BlueOneGolf

297 posted on 02/06/2007 7:11:27 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: beltfed308; Chena
Perhaps it would be helpful in an honest debate to provide quotes that aren't quite so old.

Do you have any recent ones to repudiate?

I was wondering the same. Chena, it's been six hours since beltfed308 asked for recent Rudy quotes. I would be quite interested in reading them as well.

298 posted on 02/06/2007 7:30:04 PM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: SJackson
Thanks for the ping, very appropriate topic.

I admire the job Rudy did after 9/11, but he is way too liberal for me. I understand the NYers loving him and to them he might be conservative, but not to us in fly-over country.

I have 5 main issues I look for in a candidate. Rudy only supports one of those.

Those of you who keep yelling "only Rudy can beat Hitlery" I disagree. I cannot see middle America voting for him. They still treasure family values and Rudy is sadly lacking in that department.
299 posted on 02/06/2007 7:31:48 PM PST by buschbaby
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To: SJackson
I'm not referring to any lack of depth in Giuliani's answers . . . I'm talking about Hannity's pathetic attempt to provide answers within the questions he asked.

"If you're elected you'll nominate strict constructionists, right?"

"You're against abortion but see it as an issue of freedom, right?"

"You had the NYPD set off a bunch of explosives in the World Trade Center on 9/11 but you thought the buildings were empty, right?"

Well, the last one is silly -- but you get the point.

300 posted on 02/06/2007 7:35:44 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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