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James Lileks: Don't Underestimate Giuliani (And Newt still can't win!)
The Newhouse News Service ^ | February 6, 2007 | James Lileks

Posted on 02/06/2007 6:08:59 PM PST by quidnunc

Rudy Giuliani is in. Suggested campaign slogan: "He dealt with Brooklyn. He can handle Baghdad.'' He's not a sure thing; he has enough baggage to fill the cargo hold of a cruise ship. His sundry personal-life issues bother social conservatives; the gun control stance dismays the Second Amendment wing of the party; the pro-choice opinions alarm the evangelicals. That leaves about 47 Republicans, right? After all, it's just a party of cousin-marrying yahoos who'd sooner shoot up Planned Parenthood than vote for one of those fish-on-Friday types. Right?

No. Voters are more flexible and forgiving than you might expect. And none of the objections obscure the central appeal of the Rudy candidacy: He'll nuke 'em if he has to. That won't be the central theme of his campaign, of course, but it's the unstated strength of his candidacy. He's not a wuss. Look at the rest of the field:

Mitt Romney. He's a heavy fave, but the M-word makes his support in the evangelical community unsure. Many will vote for him, since he's an all-around moral guy, and no one wants a public debate over doctrinal differences. Other evangelicals regard his faith as something between David Koresh and Scientology, and would rather vote for Joe Lieberman. (Him you could convert!) Romney has an abortion flip-flop to confront, which softens his support as well. He's a solid candidate thus far because he's, well, solid: He appears hewn from the Presidential Quarry.

On the other hand, he could be a genial cyborg from an invading race. Wouldn't exactly surprise anyone.

-snip-

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To: Hambone02

Newt if far more like Bill Clinton, than Rudy is and Newt has the same very bad negative score, if not worse, than Hillary has. And the positive numbers are also low for both.


101 posted on 02/06/2007 7:38:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Hambone02

Newt is far more like Bill Clinton, than Rudy is and Newt has the same very bad negative score, if not worse, than Hillary has. And the positive numbers are also low for both.


102 posted on 02/06/2007 7:38:28 PM PST by nopardons
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To: B Knotts

Oddly enough, twice as many FReepers support Newt than Giuliani.



You know, oddly enough, that Keyes won every FR poll back in 99-00. Not sure what that means except that FR and the public aren't necessarily one and same when it comes to politics.


103 posted on 02/06/2007 7:41:47 PM PST by deport
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To: deport; Howlin; onyx; Txsleuth; Mo1; Peach
That's good enough for a re-post ... I like the prospect:

Fred Thompson hasn't declared, but should. He has been waging a stealth campaign simply by appearing as a guest host for Paul Harvey. He sounds like a man with his boots on the desk and a star on his chest. As a veep, he would make John Edwards look like Peter Pan. For the debate, Edwards might as well show up in green tights.

I scanned the current Pajamas Media Straw Poll .. sorry, it's a little fuzzy.

Can't believe Kucinich is ahead of HER .. and surprisingly, Thompson leads Tancredo, McCain and Hunter.

104 posted on 02/06/2007 7:41:59 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: quidnunc

Yes, it does. More FReepers are conservatives than liberals.


105 posted on 02/06/2007 7:41:59 PM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: quidnunc
NOT being for Newt says more about Quidnunc than about Newt..
Its Newts time, by default.. There are simply no republicans that can energize the party.. ALL other candidates will fracture the party, further.. ALL of them..

No northeast republican is worthy of the Presidency.. NONE..
Any that try will be defeated.. Newt has sinned, true..
But American republicans will forgive him, the others don't have the gravitas..

Its simply, NEWT or Hillary... that simple..

106 posted on 02/06/2007 7:43:16 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: onyx

Don't bother, it would be for naught.


107 posted on 02/06/2007 7:43:52 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Mo1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1777111/posts?page=290#290

The words of Jim Robinson on pushing a liberal like Rino Rudy.
108 posted on 02/06/2007 7:44:50 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Old_Mil

You know the truth it was done for charity but that doesn't fit your agenda so you post your snide remarks.

I don't come on Hunter threads to post what I know but you all come over here and post your spin -- what does that say about Hunter supporters? Bet you don't have a clue to his background except the spin you are given. You do know he is going to work real hard to get Roe v. Wade overturned. He should check the Constitution because the President can only nominate judges who are sent for confirmation in the Senate but if you have a litmus test for judicial nominees, then those nominess cannot make a ruling on that subject of the litmus test. The President has no power to tell the SCOTUS how to rule either. He pandered to the pro-life community and some of you swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Amazing how little some of you know about the Constitution and the three branches of Government.

http://rightsfield.com/2007/01/22/brownback-hunter-promise-to-reverse-roe/



109 posted on 02/06/2007 7:45:55 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- Rudy/Thompson 08 -- Take back the House and Senate in 2008)
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To: Hambone02

Maybe. But, Rudy is a RINO.
Maybe. But, Rudy is a RINO.
Maybe. But, Rudy is a RINO.
Maybe. But, Rudy is a RINO.

Worth repeating. Thanks!


110 posted on 02/06/2007 7:46:00 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

I wasn't talking to Jim or his posts

I was talking to you, you PITA


111 posted on 02/06/2007 7:46:55 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Old_Mil
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," July 20, 2005...

COLMES: Now, on abortion — now, you are pro-choice, right?

GIULIANI: Yes.

COLMES: You're a pro-choice Republican.

GIULIANI: I am.

~snip~

COLMES: Now, Roe vs. Wade -- You are pro-choice. How important is it to you as a pro-choice Republican to have a pro-choice on the court as someone...

GIULIANI: That is not the critical factor. And what's important to me is to have a very intelligent, very honest, very good lawyer on the court. And he fits that category, in the same way Justice Ginsburg fit that category.

I mean, she was — she maybe came at it from a very different political background, very qualified lawyer, very smart person.

112 posted on 02/06/2007 7:47:02 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Mo1

Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.


113 posted on 02/06/2007 7:48:27 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

bug off


114 posted on 02/06/2007 7:49:00 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: narses; Mo1


Get off your high horse and stop trying to incite flame wars.

You're a disruptor.


115 posted on 02/06/2007 7:49:32 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Mo1

Even when pointed out 'it' is cherry picking and leaving out things, 'it' comes right back with the same crap. Why are the mods allowing the spam to stay up and be done on page after page? Used to be by the thread but now it is by page.


116 posted on 02/06/2007 7:49:47 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- Rudy/Thompson 08 -- Take back the House and Senate in 2008)
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To: Mo1

Touchy, touchy. Is the truth about Rino Rudy bothering you?


117 posted on 02/06/2007 7:49:48 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: onyx

I bet 'it' is a Democrat! No thinking Republican would act like this for any reason.


118 posted on 02/06/2007 7:50:42 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- Rudy/Thompson 08 -- Take back the House and Senate in 2008)
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To: narses

I am well aware of Rudy and his history

It is you that is an annoying PITA


120 posted on 02/06/2007 7:50:56 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: onyx

LOL, nope. Posting facts and quotes about liberals is a good thing. Oh yeah, trying to tell others how to act is the kind of jack-booted thuggery that Rino Rudy promotes. It is a liberal mentality. It is not a pretty thing.


121 posted on 02/06/2007 7:51:08 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: onyx

Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.


122 posted on 02/06/2007 7:51:34 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: quidnunc
Voters are more flexible and forgiving than you might expect.

Well, I don't know if I'm flexible or forgiving, but I'm not an idiot, and if it comes down to Rudy or Hilary...

And none of the objections obscure the central appeal of the Rudy candidacy: He'll nuke 'em if he has to.

And there you have it. Frankly, it SHOULD be his motto. Heck, I'd buy that bumper sticker:

RUDY: HE'LL NUKE 'EM IF HE HAS TO!

Yeah, I like it.

123 posted on 02/06/2007 7:51:40 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: PhiKapMom

I don't know .. you will have to ask them


124 posted on 02/06/2007 7:51:49 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: PhiKapMom
I've heard him SAY that, repeated, all over FNC shows and it REALLY turned me off! He also kept talking about being "BIPARTISAN".

NO THANKS; NOT AT THIS JUNCTURE !


125 posted on 02/06/2007 7:51:54 PM PST by nopardons
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To: PhiKapMom

LOL, wrong.


126 posted on 02/06/2007 7:52:13 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses


Hit abuse on me, flame war inciting SPAMMER.

I am sick to death of you SPAMMING every thread.



127 posted on 02/06/2007 7:53:14 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: onyx

Wow. The truth bugs you that much. Truth is a good thing. You should embrace the truth.


128 posted on 02/06/2007 7:54:16 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Howlin
It looks like a few dollars were bet today on Rudy being the nominee...Ladrokes from the UK, one of the biggest bookies in the world, shortened his odds a point from 5/1 to 4/1 and let McCain drift a little...smaller online bookies will typically lay-off their liabilities with an old-time 'real bookmakers' like Ladbrokes...

Republican Candidates odds...

I personally don't think Rudy will be our Candidate...that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

129 posted on 02/06/2007 7:54:42 PM PST by Geronimo
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To: quidnunc
"Giuliani probably has the best chance of beating Hillary of all GOP candidates,..."

I disagree with that very much.

Vanity: And now for the rest of the question: Has conservatism been defeated in America?

Posted on 02/04/2007 3:01:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Toward a 21st Century Contract with America
Newt.org ^ | February 1, 2007 | Newt Gingrich

Posted on 02/04/2007 10:33:24 PM PST by Jim Robinson
130 posted on 02/06/2007 7:54:51 PM PST by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: narses

You have irriated the crap out of about 90 percent of this forum with you relentless spamming.

For all I know, most of the people supporting Rudy are doing it just because of you.


131 posted on 02/06/2007 7:55:44 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: narses

You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you right smack in your face.

You SPAM stuff from last century.

You are truly pathetic.

Filled with hate and yet you call yourself a Catholic.

Get lost.


132 posted on 02/06/2007 7:56:23 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Howlin

Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.


133 posted on 02/06/2007 7:56:29 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: hosepipe
All of this nonsense about Rudy being the only Republican who can beat Hillary is just a thinly veiled attempt by the checkered pants Republicans to move the party to the left.

Newt will beat Hillary and re-energize the conservative movement.

134 posted on 02/06/2007 7:56:53 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: narses

You are an insane lunatic


135 posted on 02/06/2007 7:56:56 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: familyop

Ouch. The Rudybots hate stuff like that.


136 posted on 02/06/2007 7:57:22 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Geronimo

Now you have been here long enough to know I do NOT understand anything at all about finances!

Give me the Cliff Notes.


137 posted on 02/06/2007 7:57:33 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Mo1


At a minimum.


138 posted on 02/06/2007 7:57:35 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Mo1

Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.


139 posted on 02/06/2007 7:57:40 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

NO SPAM!

The above is posted to FR's front page; but you know that, but do it anyway.

140 posted on 02/06/2007 7:57:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin

It is the same every four years. We have gone from Go Pat Go, Harry Brown to the Michael Savage nuts. Same people just different leaders.


141 posted on 02/06/2007 7:58:10 PM PST by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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To: nopardons

Truth isn't spam. Refuting liberal lies isn't spam. But you know that.


142 posted on 02/06/2007 7:58:41 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Howlin
The lastest Fox poll.......

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Jan. 30-31, 2007. N=900 registered voters nationwide. Results below are among Republican voters (MoE ± 5).

.

"If the 2008 Republican presidential primary were held today, for whom would you vote if the candidates were [see below]?" Names rotated

.

1/30-31/07 12/5-6/06 8/29-30/06 3/14-15/06 6/14-15/05
% % % % %
Rudy Giuliani

34

30

27

29

29

John McCain

22

23

25

22

26

Newt Gingrich

15

9

14

8

9

Mitt Romney

3

8

5

4

2

Duncan Hunter

2

1

n/a

n/a

n/a

1%ers and below left off.....
143 posted on 02/06/2007 7:58:41 PM PST by deport
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To: onyx

Supposedly she is a she.


144 posted on 02/06/2007 7:59:01 PM PST by nopardons
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To: narses

I have done none of those things

And if you think I don't know what you are trying to do ... THINK AGAIN


145 posted on 02/06/2007 7:59:13 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: quidnunc

I don't get why so many conservatives are attracted to Giuliani. Is our bench THAT pathetically shallow?


146 posted on 02/06/2007 7:59:35 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: PhiKapMom
You know the truth it was done for charity but that doesn't fit your agenda so you post your snide remarks.......

BRAVO!!!

147 posted on 02/06/2007 7:59:54 PM PST by rirepublican
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To: narses

Thank GOD, I don't have your reputation on FR! LOL


148 posted on 02/06/2007 7:59:55 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Mo1

Name calling is most certainly a personal attack. But you knew that, right?


149 posted on 02/06/2007 8:00:15 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

Please: Bite me.


150 posted on 02/06/2007 8:00:19 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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