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Global Warming and Hot Air
Washington Post ^ | 02/07/2007 | Robert Samuelson

Posted on 02/07/2007 11:35:13 AM PST by cogitator

End of the editorial:

... "What we really need is a more urgent program of research and development, focusing on nuclear power, electric batteries, alternative fuels and the capture of carbon dioxide. Naturally, there's no guarantee that socially acceptable and cost-competitive technologies will result. But without them, global warming is more or less on automatic pilot. Only new technologies would enable countries -- rich and poor -- to reconcile the immediate imperative of economic growth with the potential hazards of climate change.

Meanwhile, we could temper our energy appetite. I've argued before for a high oil tax to prod Americans to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles. The main aim would be to limit insecure oil imports, but it would also check CO2 emissions. Similarly, we might be better off shifting some of the tax burden from wages and profits to a broader tax on energy or carbon. That would favor more fuel-efficient light bulbs, appliances and industrial processes.

It's a debate we ought to have -- but probably won't. Any realistic response would be costly, uncertain and no doubt unpopular. That's one truth too inconvenient for almost anyone to admit."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: carbon; climate; climatechange; economy; energy; globalwarming; technology
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To: cogitator
"Hurricane frequency is too highly variable to be a reliable indicator of climate change.'

Not necessarily. But if you do use it, it actually runs the other way.


41 posted on 02/07/2007 12:57:21 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: liberallarry

"It took 911 to get us to act seriously against Muslim fundamentalism."

When did "we" start acting seriously against muslim fundamentalism?


42 posted on 02/07/2007 1:04:49 PM PST by CSM (We're not losing our country, some are just throwing it away. - Sherri-D)
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To: cogitator
More evidence of Global Warming... errr Cooling .... or whatever.

Washington, Feb. 7, 2007 - Pepco, power supplier to the Nation's Capital, set an unofficial record winter peak demand as customers awoke to frigid temperatures and pushed up thermostats to combat the hard freeze gripping the region.

Customers demanded 5,639 megawatts of electricity at 7:22 a.m., breaking a new winter peak set only last night at 7 p.m. The previous winter peak of 5,461 MW was recorded Jan. 23, 2003. A final, official tabulation could result in a slight adjustment in the amount of power consumed by customers.

Pepco's all-time record peak demand is 6,947 MW set Aug. 3, 2006.

Pepco encourages its customers to use energy efficiently to keep their homes and businesses warm. Heating costs can account for 25 percent to 50 percent of a home's total energy expense.

Pepco, a subsidiary of Pepco Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:POM), delivers safe, reliable and affordable electric service to nearly 750,000 customers in Maryland and the District of Columbia.

How many would freeze to death if they couldn't afford the Carbon Tax?

43 posted on 02/07/2007 1:11:25 PM PST by Ditto
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To: cogitator
That pattern would indicate that the behavior had been discouraged.

In part, but there is nothing to prevent the gummint masters from imposing extra taxes to "make up" the "lost" revenue (into their coffers).

Of course, there is also the problem of people finding ways to circumvent the taxes - i.e.: tax shelters that disappear when the marginal rates are appropriately decreased.

JMHO

44 posted on 02/07/2007 1:13:20 PM PST by MortMan (Middle Age: When playing like a child makes you feel like an old man the next morning.)
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To: cogitator
"What we really need is a more urgent program of research and development, focusing on nuclear power, electric batteries, alternative fuels and the capture of carbon dioxide.

Rushing off to fix a problem by radical and expensive means is stupid, before the problem is understood enough to know what and how the fix will improve things...

Comparing greenhouse gases by strict concentration only, the total human component is somewhere between 0.1% and 0.2%, depending on whose numbers you use. Adjusted for GWP, the total human contribution to Earth's overall greenhouse effect is about 0.28%

. HUMAN CONTRIBUTION

45 posted on 02/07/2007 1:14:18 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: cogitator
I think that the major impetus will be an oil shock...

Oh yeah, that'd work.

All these problems are related and are due to the population explosion and concomitant huge increase in energy use and industrial by-products. Clearly, we're stressing our environment. Something could break anywhere...

46 posted on 02/07/2007 1:16:37 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: cogitator
It's really a user fee. Feel better now?

No. User fees and taxes feel just the same in my wallet. And I doubt the economics of this - we recently saw at $1/gallon run-up in gasoline prices, but demand only dampened slightly.

Plus I thought I paid a "user fee" when I bought the gasoline.

I'll believe the enviros are serious about global warming when they quit talking about taxes and start talking about taking the handcuffs off nuclear power.

47 posted on 02/07/2007 1:16:49 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: CSM
When did "we" start acting seriously against muslim fundamentalism?

Oh, I would say our conquests of Afghanistan and Iraq were serious actions. Whether they were serious enough is for another thread.

48 posted on 02/07/2007 1:18:32 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: cogitator
"requires no special knowledge of economics"

That's enough nonsense from Anne Applebaum right there. The chick is dumber than a bag of hammers.

49 posted on 02/07/2007 1:19:07 PM PST by mallardx
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To: cogitator
Hmmm...

I don't know about taxing the energy, or some other stuff. What really is necessary, I think, is the development of new energy sources for two main reasons: first and foremost - in the current political climate - freeing up the West from the dependence on Middle Eastern oil.

The dependence on ME oil is producing two anomalies:

The second one is much more subjective and, probably just my personal fancy: it's just nice to have fresh air around, isn't it :)?
50 posted on 02/07/2007 1:21:35 PM PST by aliquis
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To: liberallarry
ll these problems are related and are due to the population explosion

Yeah, that famine in North America that was supposed to happen in the 1980s sure was brutal...

51 posted on 02/07/2007 1:29:06 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Ditto
Maybe there wouldn't be so much energy demand during winter (winter will still happen as climate gets warmer) if energy conservation measures were encouraged. Maybe people that devote a large percentage of their household budget to keeping their house warm could have more money if there were active programs aiding household energy conservation efforts. Maybe that's the type of thing that, as the author suggests, a carbon tax would promote.

I'm not saying I advocate a carbon tax unless I saw a real plan. But I respect the authors' arguments for one.

52 posted on 02/07/2007 1:43:40 PM PST by cogitator
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To: Publius6961

Your source is not expressing the problem correctly. The increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration from the beginning of the Industrial Age is almost entirely due to fossil fuel use, and that's the cause of the concern.


53 posted on 02/07/2007 1:45:26 PM PST by cogitator
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To: liberallarry
All these problems are related and are due to the population explosion and concomitant huge increase in energy use and industrial by-products. Clearly, we're stressing our environment. Something could break anywhere...

Yes, it could. Katrina stretched things quite a bit for awhile. How soon we forget $3.49/gal -- or higher.

54 posted on 02/07/2007 1:46:48 PM PST by cogitator
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To: aliquis

Total agreement noted.


55 posted on 02/07/2007 1:47:32 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Just who is going to be hurt the most by a fuel tax? Think about it. It sure isn't going to be the well off. Freeking increasing taxes will do nothing but fund more pork projects for congress, and that is it!


56 posted on 02/07/2007 1:47:41 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked)
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To: cogitator
The increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration from the beginning of the Industrial Age is almost entirely due to fossil fuel use

True, but there is no evidence to suggest that this is a bad thing. The real reason that CO2 has been demonized is that we've succeeded in reducing the real pollutants to the point that the enviro lobby needs a new scapegoat.

57 posted on 02/07/2007 1:48:49 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: cogitator
Maybe people that devote a large percentage of their household budget to keeping their house warm could have more money if there were active programs aiding household energy conservation efforts.

Maybe? We have been spending billions on "energy efficiency" since the Nixon administration and the first "oil crisis." I see no sign that all of that spending has resulted in "conservation".

Also go to Econ-101. The more efficient something is, the more it will be utilized. Automobiles are far more energy efficient than they were 50 years ago and adjusted for inflation, gasoline prices are at about the same level as the 1950s. The result is we can drive more miles for the same amount of real dollars today as we did in the 1950s --- and because we can drive more miles, we do.

Another example. In most older cities, the very large 5 bedroom 19th Century Victorian houses became far to expensive to heat for most families so these houses were often broken apartments that spread the heating costs across multiple rental units. Then, along came energy efficient building materials, and what do we see happening? People building very large 5 bedroom McMansions that cost the same to heat as older 3 bedroom ranch houses.

58 posted on 02/07/2007 1:59:39 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Squawk 8888
Yeah, that famine in North America that was supposed to happen in the 1980s sure was brutal...

So was the end of days predicted about 2000 years ago...

59 posted on 02/07/2007 2:38:47 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: Ditto; TChris
The best solution would be for governments to simply ignore the GW fanatics. The "worst" thing is for governments to try to "do something". If governments insist on "doing something", a carbon tax is one of the "least worst" things they could do.

The advantages (compared to some of the worst-worst solutions) would be: more flexibility, more individual choices (compared to caps, bans, etc.), and transparency. By transparency I mean that people would see how much this whole carbon-fighting thing is costing them. Once people start to realize that there is no magic wand, and that they are going to take a hit in the pocketbook; watch the support for the GW fanatics fade away, like a puff of CO2.
60 posted on 02/07/2007 3:20:55 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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