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The Brain Scan That Can Read People's Intentions
The Guardian ^ | February 9, 2007 | Ian Sample

Posted on 02/08/2007 5:24:10 PM PST by fanfan

A team of world-leading neuroscientists has developed a powerful technique that allows them to look deep inside a person's brain and read their intentions before they act.

The team used high-resolution brain scans to identify patterns of activity before translating them into meaningful thoughts, revealing what a person planned to do in the near future. It is the first time scientists have succeeded in reading intentions in this way.

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The use of brain scanners to judge whether people are likely to commit crimes is a contentious issue that society should tackle now, according to Prof Haynes. "We see the danger that this might become compulsory one day, but we have to be aware that if we prohibit it, we are also denying people who aren't going to commit any crime the possibility of proving their innocence."

"A lot of neuroscientists in the field are very cautious and say we can't talk about reading individuals' minds, and right now that is very true, but we're moving ahead so rapidly, it's not going to be that long before we will be able to tell whether someone's making up a story, or whether someone intended to do a crime with a certain degree of certainty."

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: 1984; bravenewword; bravenewworld; neuroscience; statism
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I don't like it.
1 posted on 02/08/2007 5:24:14 PM PST by fanfan
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To: fanfan

I don't like it either. But I would like to strap one of these bad boys on Hillary and some of her ilk.


2 posted on 02/08/2007 5:25:46 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: fanfan

The ACLU shall appear shortly.


3 posted on 02/08/2007 5:26:55 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (I want my next President to have Balls! (Figuratively or literally depending on who is running))
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To: fanfan

Polygraphs arent foolproof and arent admisable as evidence.
Im calling BS on the accuracy of this "brain scan"


4 posted on 02/08/2007 5:28:33 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: fanfan
we are also denying people who aren't going to commit any crime the possibility of proving their innocence.

This is pure unadulterated bulls**t. Its supposed to be the other way around. But then again, this is The Guardian UK

5 posted on 02/08/2007 5:28:39 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: fanfan

6 posted on 02/08/2007 5:29:09 PM PST by mysterio
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To: fanfan

Yeah, maybe it works a little better than chance in a very controlled experiment where a decision has been made.

There's no way this will ever have any practical application.


7 posted on 02/08/2007 5:29:32 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: fanfan

Thought police certified....this is creepy


8 posted on 02/08/2007 5:31:48 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: fanfan

I already own one of these (the internet model) and all of you are a bunch of perverts!


9 posted on 02/08/2007 5:31:48 PM PST by Niteranger68 (Point your toilets towards Mecca!)
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To: Dog Gone
There's no way this will ever have any practical application.

Hope you're right.

10 posted on 02/08/2007 5:31:49 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo (If the Moon wasn't there, people would be on Mars by now.)
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To: fanfan
Does it work through tinfoil?

-PJ

11 posted on 02/08/2007 5:32:40 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Bronzewound

Start with the US Congress. Now, that would be a show.


12 posted on 02/08/2007 5:37:27 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Dog Gone
There's no way this will ever have any practical application.

It depends on what you mean by "practical", and from "who's" point of view.

13 posted on 02/08/2007 5:37:31 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

Okay, if you have a real time brain scan going of your fellow poker players going, you might be able to pick up some patterns when they're looking at their hands.

It would be cheaper and easier to put a pinhole camera behind them to show you their cards. Certainly more effective.


14 posted on 02/08/2007 5:40:27 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: fanfan
Bulloney.

20 Questions toy gets it right nearly every time!


15 posted on 02/08/2007 5:43:18 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a function.)
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To: Kimmers
Thought police certified....this is creepy

I agree. Way too easily abused.

16 posted on 02/08/2007 5:47:43 PM PST by Osmium (Attero Dominatus)
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To: RacerF150
No, I am not a pervert!


17 posted on 02/08/2007 5:48:04 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: InvisibleChurch

I prefer the Magic 8 Ball myself.

;-)


18 posted on 02/08/2007 5:51:40 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Dog Gone

If everyone could tell the intentions of everyone else, there would be no more poker.

;-)


19 posted on 02/08/2007 5:53:25 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

Scarry stuff............I might be dis oriented....deportd....promoted...oh yeah, I'm self employed..................................never mind


20 posted on 02/08/2007 5:55:00 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Heh!

We'll survive it Stephen.

:-)


21 posted on 02/08/2007 5:58:57 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Osmium

I want (nay, need) somewhere that I can indulge in personal thoughts, thoughts that I don’t want others to be cognizant of (he he), and my inner mind seems to be the last sanctuary for these thoughts. Now, even my personal inner sanctum is about to be exposed. Don’t like this at all, no sir, don’t like this at all.

With this technology, suicide would become more common or our morays would become even less restricted (if that were possible).

Don’t like this at all, no sir, don’t like this at all.

Smiles all around … ;--)


22 posted on 02/08/2007 5:59:38 PM PST by doc1019 (If Obama is elected as President, we will become an “Obama Nation”.)
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To: fanfan

thanks, bfl


23 posted on 02/08/2007 6:06:43 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: fanfan
I don't like it.

I knew you were going to say that.

24 posted on 02/08/2007 6:07:18 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: fanfan
Look at this picture. Scan my brain. What are my intentions?

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25 posted on 02/08/2007 6:09:04 PM PST by Candor7 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: fanfan

Oh yeah we will!


26 posted on 02/08/2007 6:09:37 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: doc1019
I want (nay, need) somewhere that I can indulge in personal thoughts, thoughts that I don’t want others to be cognizant of (he he), and my inner mind seems to be the last sanctuary for these thoughts. Now, even my personal inner sanctum is about to be exposed. Don’t like this at all, no sir, don’t like this at all.

Yep, reading one's mind would be the ultimate invasion of privacy. Tyrants would love it for reading the intentions of their opponents/subjects.

With this technology, suicide would become more common or our morays would become even less restricted (if that were possible).

Never thought about the suicide part, but good point.

Don’t like this at all, no sir, don’t like this at all.

Neither do I.

27 posted on 02/08/2007 6:09:52 PM PST by Osmium (Attero Dominatus)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Our 20Q guessed that I was thinking about an armadillo and a werewolf. (And to anticipate your question, I was indeed thinking about some Congress critters.)
28 posted on 02/08/2007 6:13:21 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Lady Jag; derllak; Borax Queen; grannie9; sweetliberty; Pippin; Lakeshark; null and void; ...

On behalf of my fellow denizens of the DD thread, I call upon this technology to be buried alive and slowly eaten by accounting orcs.


29 posted on 02/08/2007 6:26:08 PM PST by Darksheare (She had the face of a trucker. She used it as a purse.)
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To: Candor7

Nice conversation over tea and crullers.


30 posted on 02/08/2007 6:27:05 PM PST by Darksheare (She had the face of a trucker. She used it as a purse.)
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To: Candor7

The thought police are writing your arrest warrant,expect a knock on the door shortly.


31 posted on 02/08/2007 6:29:24 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: Dog Gone
There's no way this will ever have any practical application.

My mother, who has passed away some years, used to tell me that when she was young she can remember being told "The atom, no, they'll never split that, it can't be done."

32 posted on 02/08/2007 6:30:24 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Candor7

"Look at this picture. Scan my brain. What are my intentions?"

Sitting down to do some calculus?


33 posted on 02/08/2007 6:34:33 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: fanfan

They're gonna be real upset when they get to mine.


34 posted on 02/08/2007 6:38:33 PM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: fanfan

That is a great development. Just think about how easy it'll be to prosecute hate crimes from now on!


35 posted on 02/08/2007 6:40:35 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: fanfan

I've been saying this for years. IF you can do this, then we have no free will, because you can tell what someone is going to do before they do it.

The only way we can have free will is if there is a soul, outside the prewired brain patterns, that allow us to act outside what the synapses indicate we would do.


36 posted on 02/08/2007 6:40:49 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: fanfan
[.. A team of world-leading neuroscientists has developed a powerful technique that allows them to look deep inside a person's brain and read their intentions before they act. ..]

Wet bull squeeze..

37 posted on 02/08/2007 6:44:17 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
Wet bull squeeze..

I'm a scientist, and I knew you would say that!

38 posted on 02/08/2007 6:45:46 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Revolting cat!
[ I'm a scientist, and I knew you would say that! ]

Tin foil hat is in place now... Nyah..

39 posted on 02/08/2007 6:51:07 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Darksheare
As for my own brain scans, I use White Out.

For Demos and dunces, I use strong chemicals:


40 posted on 02/08/2007 6:53:13 PM PST by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: fanfan

Sorry Mr. and Mrs. Jones. Your son's brain scan shows he will murder someone, someday, so we are terminating him.


41 posted on 02/08/2007 6:55:02 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Lady Jag

Scanning my noggin will produce wildly contradictory results.
Simply because my skull runs down several thoughts at the same time, yet I am terrible at multi-tasking.


42 posted on 02/08/2007 6:56:18 PM PST by Darksheare (She had the face of a trucker. She used it as a purse.)
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To: mylife
They are only claiming an accuracy of 70% at present..
I give them 5 years and they will be able to claim 100%...

In 10 years there will be talk of use in the court room...

There is a science-fiction novel called "Little Fuzzy"...
The court room scene involves a sort of lie detector device that verifies the witness is giving truthful testimony..
A somewhat amusing moment is when a witness is seated for questioning, and the device goes bright red, indicating the witness is already "prevaricating" before he has been asked a single question..

A "true" polygraph would be invaluable in determining the truth in a court of law..
It could be subject to abuses, and there would be the necessity of controls and regulations..
Just like all technologies..

43 posted on 02/08/2007 6:56:23 PM PST by Drammach ("If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Darksheare

Sounds like ADHD.


44 posted on 02/08/2007 6:58:11 PM PST by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

45 posted on 02/08/2007 7:02:30 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Drammach
An excerpt from "Little Fuzzy" by H. Beam Piper..
It is available as a free download from the Gutenberg Project..

Ernst Mallin shrank, as though trying to pull himself into himself, when he heard his name. He didn't want to testify. He had been dreading this moment for days. Now he would have to sit in that chair, and they would ask him questions, and he couldn't answer them truthfully and the globe over his head--

When the deputy marshal touched his shoulder and spoke to him, he didn't think, at first, that his legs would support him. It seemed miles, with all the staring faces on either side of him. Somehow, he reached the chair and sat down, and they fitted the helmet over his head and attached the electrodes. They used to make a witness take some kind of an oath to tell the truth. They didn't any more. They didn't need to.

As soon as the veridicator was on, he looked up at the big screen behind the three judges; the globe above his head was a glaring red. There was a titter of laughter. Nobody in the Courtroom knew better than he what was happening. He had screens in his laboratory that broke it all down into individual patterns--the steady pulsing waves from the cortex, the alpha and beta waves; beta-aleph and beta-beth and beta-gimel and beta-daleth. The thalamic waves. He thought of all of them, and of the electromagnetic events which accompanied brain activity. As he did, the red faded and the globe became blue. He was no longer suppressing statements and substituting other statements he knew to be false. If he could keep it that way. But, sooner or later, he knew, he wouldn't be able to.

The globe stayed blue while he named himself and stated his professional background. There was a brief flicker of red while he was listing his publication--that paper, entirely the work of one of his students, which he had published under his own name. He had forgotten about that, but his conscience hadn't.

"Dr. Mallin," the oldest of the three judges, who sat in the middle, began, "what, in your professional opinion, is the difference between sapient and nonsapient mentation?"

"The ability to think consciously," he stated. The globe stayed blue.

The "Little Fuzzy" series is an excellent read, and is generally suitable for children.. ( With the possible exception of some violent content concerning the murder of one of the characters.. The subject of the above trial.. )

This book is considered a science-fiction "classic" and has a great following..
Recommended reading..

46 posted on 02/08/2007 7:11:28 PM PST by Drammach ("If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: doc1019

I think our morays will stay in the sea where they belong...


47 posted on 02/08/2007 7:14:42 PM PST by null and void (No one can fall farther than an astronaut...)
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To: fanfan

Everyone should actually read the article rather than the headline. This is a non-story. Just another instance of people talking up their research for the sole purpose of garnering more funding.

From the article:
1. Brains are so unique that for any success with this scanning, the brain of an individual must be scanned ahead of time.
2. The experiment is limited to trying to predict the outcome between only two possibilities.
3. Success rate is 70%.

The fact is, in a binary prediction, if a RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR were used it would get a success rate of 50%. These folks have only managed 70%, despite personalizing the scan to the individual ahead of time.

Again, this is a non-story of researchers looking for funding.


48 posted on 02/08/2007 7:29:44 PM PST by newguy357
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To: null and void

LOL! As if you had never misspelled a word!


49 posted on 02/08/2007 7:44:10 PM PST by doc1019 (If Obama is elected as President, we will become an “Obama Nation”.)
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To: doc1019

Not more than on 4-6 posts a day.

When an eel lunges out
and he bites off your snout
That's a moray...


50 posted on 02/08/2007 7:46:14 PM PST by null and void (No one can fall farther than an astronaut...)
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