Rudy's Run (Editorial by Nat Review editors)

NRO ^ | 2/9/2007

[CobaltBlue]

One scenario in favor of late term abortion is where the mother has a life threatening cancer, requiring chemotherapy, but the baby is not old enough to live after a Caesarean section.

That exact thing happened recently, in a case where the mother decided to let the cancer progress untreated, giving up her own life for the child.

That was a heroic choice, but we don't live in a country that would force a woman in that situation to choose the life of her child over her own life.

[zarf]

Freeper Pharmboy had NYC gun permits for nearly two decades. Ed Koch never tried to take them away. David Dinkins never tried to take them away. Rudy tightened the screws for getting permits renewed and took them away.

The murder/crime rate fell through the floor during Rudy's tenure. I'm arguing in favor of gun control but the stats speak for themselves.

[dirtboy]

The murder/crime rate fell through the floor during Rudy's tenure. I'm arguing in favor of gun control but the stats speak for themselves.

Rudy's gun control had nothing to do with the decrease in crime.

But maybe you could start "Gun-Grabbers for Rudy".

[zarf]

Rudy's gun control had nothing to do with the decrease in crime.

1) How do you know?

2) There was already relatively strict gun control in effect on the book when he took office.

[ElPatriota]

We must do what we must do :)BEWARE!... Social-conservatives, Christian conservatives or moral-conservatives of ANY KIND..

*** WE NEED TO UNITE ***

WHO? I don't know, but here we are, in the middle of the Internet revolution, and yet, I feel as if someone, somewhere, is pulling the strings to elect a LEFTY 'Republican.'

Who is calling the shots here?... I guess special interest(s) with MONEY, I "hear" someone literally telling me, "Go, go little unimportant people, go home... Leave this to the EXPERTS, We the smart people will let know when to vote! - LOL.

I believe Guliani's CONSULTANTS team tactic is simply to DIVIDE the Republicans. Attract as many Lefty Republicans (I still don't get used to the label /s) by selling Mr. Guiliani as the CHAMPION OF NATIONAL SECURITY!... Just because, yes he cleaned up N.Y. and acted with leadership on 9/11... Great as those things are, does not make him the Republican Presidential candidate by default...HARDLY!

And I should say, if he were a social-conservative (as DUNCAN is) THEN, I would be pulling hard for him!... But as it is, NO WAY IN HELL I WILL VOTE FOR HIM!... Because if he gets elected, well, social-conservatives LOSE AND the LEFT WINS... That simple. All true social, Christian or Moral conservatives should above all, DENY our vote to the Left... And Rudy is the LEFT on social issues, and those are our issues.

[Reagan Man]

I haven't seen anything or heard anything from Rudy Giuliani that leads me to believe he's a "true" conservative. A lot of double-talk and Rudy disagreeing with himself. Pure propaganda. Rudy has made endless public statements over his entire career that shows his liberal politics. By NYCity standards Rudy maybe a conservative. Outside of NYCity most folks see Rudy for what he is. A liberal politico, attempting to hoodwink conservatives into supporting him. Rudy may try, but can't run from his liberal record. Rudy wears his liberalism proudly, we're everyone can see it.

[wildbill]

While he [Bush] has declined to call explicitly for its reversal, he has said that the law should protect unborn life and has done what he could to bring that wish closer to reality. He has thus, in practice, stood for the principle that in this country we govern ourselves rather than simply accepting gravely mistaken edicts from the courts."

Incomprehensible. Bush did very little to move the ball forward in a time when the public itself was moving away from unrestricted abortions. If a born again Christian like Bush couldn't get anything done other than judicial appointments then we shouldn't worry about being a "one issue" political movement.

Winning isn't the best thing--it's the only thing.

[Joe Brower]

Gentlemen, it seems painfully obvious that between Rudy and whomever the dem candidate turns out to be, we are faced with a textbook case of a choice that sucks and choice that sucks worse. The Constitution is no winner here in any circumstance. You hold your nose and you vote on this one.

In the larger view, it tells us something is terribly wrong with our Republic that, at this period in our history, there isn't at least one person out there with a half-chance of winning who doesn't daily use that document as toilet paper.

But we're still over a year and a half away, and as we all know, in politics, especially those of a Presidential sort, is an eternity. It will be interesting, for sure.

[Liz]

The murder/crime rate fell through the floor during Rudy's tenure......but Rudy's gun control had nothing to do with the decrease in crime.

This is true----Rudy did it by juggling the way NYC compiled crime statistics. For instance, he made breaking windows a crime. Since that happens more frequently, the stats looked lower for crimes like murder, compared to window-breaking.

Then-police chief William Bratton also reduced crime----but when Bratton became a media darling, lionized by the NY elite, invited to all the A-list parties, Giussolini was incensed that Bratton was getting the credit for lower crime rates-----Rudeinsky summarily fired Bratton.

[Reagan Man]

Didn't actual murders in NYCity come down under Dinkins, from 2200 to 1900 a year? I think so. IIRC, overall crime rates began coming down under Dinkins too. And crime came down under Bloomberg also.

Looking at the crime issue in NYCity, maybe conservatives should consider Dinkins and Bloomberg for POTUS in 2008, along with Rudy. Why not.

[basil]

Rudy tightened the screws for getting permits renewed and took them away.

And you think Hillary would do what?

My whole point is that we must work very hard to help our favorite candidate win the nomination. Once the nomination is sealed in concrete, it is my thinking that we better vote for him/her. Haven't we had enough of "showing" those Republicans? Just imagine that the dims control both houses and the White House--especially with the terrorists threat that exists today.

I fear this country, as we know it, will be gone with 4 or 8 years of dims/lefties controlling all three branches of our government.

This may be our last chance to try to save it.

[PRND21]

Exactly. Good post.

[dirtboy]

And you think Hillary would do what?

My point is, I do not see Rudy in the Oval Office as a vanguard against 2nd Amendment erosions.

Saying Rudy isn't Hillary is a much harder sell when there is not much difference between Rudy and Hillary in key conservative interests such as abortion, guns and amnesty.

[firebrand]

This is true. He lost in 1989. He debated Henry Hewes on the life issue before the 1993 election, taking the pro-choice side. Henry won the debate but Rudy won the election.

[DocH]

Rudy did it by juggling the way NYC compiled crime statistics

They caught the liberal inner-city politicians (Bill Campbell) and his PO-lice chief down in Atlanta doing the SAME thing a few years back. They just can't HELP themselves, since to a liberal, LOOKING good is more important than BEING good, effective, honest, etc.

This tactic is especially evident with northeastern liberal politicians (whether there's a "D" OR an "R" after their names) and their appointed, suck-up police chiefs. If they pronounce "law enforcement", "LAWR enforcement", they're more than likely yankee liberals running some northeastern Peoples Republic as their very own Nanny/Police-State.

Gun-grabbing RINO-rudy and jack-booted-thug desk-jockey police chief bratton were (and ARE) two of the worst.