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Quantum computer to debut next week
Techworld ^ | 08 February 2007 | Peter Judge

Posted on 02/09/2007 11:28:07 AM PST by US admirer

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To: petro45acp
Does this mean secure banking is out the window?!? I don't want to go back to a paper check-book!

Current SSL is 128-bit, and it'll be a LONG time before a quantum computer is made that can crack that quickly (you'd need about a 129 qubit quantum computer). If we get close to that, make SSL 1024 bits and the quantum computer builders will have to catch up again. But when the time comes, quantum physics solves the problem it creates, using quantum encryption.

61 posted on 02/09/2007 12:32:11 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: adorno

Dr. Heisenberg..

Can I have my cat back now ??


62 posted on 02/09/2007 12:37:06 PM PST by Drammach ("If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: antiRepublicrat

As a programmer, I've gone from 1KB RAM to 1GB RAM - 6 orders of magnitude in just two decades.

We're at 16 qbits right now.
16Mqb 20 years from now is not an unreasonable prediction.
1024 bit SSL will be a cute anachronism then.
Heck, 1024 bit SSL may be a cute anachronism some time next year (that would only need a 32x32 qbit quantum computer, and we're at 4x4 now).


63 posted on 02/09/2007 12:38:39 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Drammach

LOL!


64 posted on 02/09/2007 12:38:52 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Spirochete
Or maybe it wont at the same time.

We can control it by looking at it, or looking away.

I'm totally uncertain about what you meant!

I think I've got it!

65 posted on 02/09/2007 12:39:24 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Drammach
Dr. Heisenberg..

Can I have my cat back now ?

Yes and No.

66 posted on 02/09/2007 12:41:23 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Reeses
To use, combine the random number in sequence with a number representing a character to encode. Then destroy that sheet of paper.

The operation you're doing is an exclusive or, XOR. If you XOR x with y to get z, then XOR z with y again, you get x back. The problems with one-time pads are the distribution system, the security of the pads, and synching-up the key usage in a secure manner.

Also, one-time-pads are not usually used to authenticate, which is also an important part of online banking. But I guess your system could say to the bank "I'm user X and I'm about to use pad ID #19782356" and then send some known data, like the user account name, and then authentication passes if what you send comes out when decrypted at the other end.

67 posted on 02/09/2007 12:41:24 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Califelephant

It means that it when it crashes you get the blue screen of death really really fast.


68 posted on 02/09/2007 12:43:15 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: adorno

"How else could Santa deliver so many presents to so many kids all over the world in one single night? Parallel universes."

Quanta Claus, lol.


69 posted on 02/09/2007 12:44:52 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: drangundsturm

A quantum computer might be able to decrypt messages but what a lot of people seem worried about, which is silly, is password cracking. The computer could run through nearly infinite combinations of passwords in a second and find the right sequence of letters and numbers.

The good thing about password or access cracking is that there's no way for the quantum computer to know the right answer - it would have to send the password to whatever program it was trying to access, and you can only do that so fast. Shoot ten quadrillion possible passwords at the CIA's computer system and see what happens. It'll crash, and the men in black will start looking for you.

The solution to encryption cracking, I think, isn't better encryption but preventing the criminal with the quantum computer from getting an encrypted message in the first place. That's where the interesting technology challenges will be.


70 posted on 02/09/2007 12:52:54 PM PST by JenB
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To: TalonDJ

You are saying that the real problem will be to know when you have the right or correct answer. True. In the traveling salesman problem you can put values on the connections and then look at the sum of the values in order to choose the correct solution from the multitude of solutions given by the computer. However if you use the computer to model global warming, which of the answers is the correct one? Only a proponent of the current whacko stuff on it (read AlGore) would know.

Fun stuff.


71 posted on 02/09/2007 1:07:26 PM PST by ProudFossil
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To: JenB
The good thing about password or access cracking is that there's no way for the quantum computer to know the right answer

For going through the interface it would never work, especially since accounts are usually locked out or logins suspended for a short time after only a few tries.

This comes into play when someone has the password file with the hashes of the passwords. A quantum computer can compute the correct inputs very quickly.

72 posted on 02/09/2007 1:13:57 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
True, but first they have to use some trick to get the password file (yeah, not hard on some systems). But there are ways to prevent that which don't require a Quantum computer.
73 posted on 02/09/2007 1:21:21 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: ProudFossil
However if you use the computer to model global warming, which of the answers is the correct one? Only a proponent of the current whacko stuff on it (read AlGore) would know.

Yup, no matter how much computer power you toss at it, if some hack global warming fanatic input the numbers and is interpreting the numbers then the data will show whatever he wants it to show.
74 posted on 02/09/2007 1:22:50 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Squawk 8888

Ford? There's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for 'Hamlet' they've worked out


75 posted on 02/09/2007 1:33:22 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: bkepley
I always wondered how you can get a result if there are the thing is always true and false at the same time.

Until you observe it; then its either one or the other.

76 posted on 02/09/2007 1:39:40 PM PST by AFreeBird (This space for rent. Inquire within)
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To: JenB
The solution to encryption cracking, I think, isn't better encryption but preventing the criminal with the quantum computer from getting an encrypted message in the first place. That's where the interesting technology challenges will be.

Sub-Space relays

77 posted on 02/09/2007 1:45:53 PM PST by AFreeBird (This space for rent. Inquire within)
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To: bkepley

You have to get beyond 3 dimensions to get that to work...

CA....


78 posted on 02/09/2007 2:03:16 PM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: Caesar Soze
Or smaller pads could be distributed to you by the bank over the internet protected by a symmetric cipher (which remains resistant to QC attacks).

That's an interesting thought. If a list of totally random numbers is encrypted, even with a weak encryption scheme and weak key, could it ever be decrypted by an eavesdropper? Doesn't the ability to crack something require patterns in the data? If there are no patterns to exploit I can't see how it could be cracked. If they stumbled upon the key how would they even know it? If this is true then we can live without public key cryptography in the future should it become crackable (though it should be assumed the NSA has already cracked it).

79 posted on 02/09/2007 2:04:15 PM PST by Reeses
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To: US admirer
that can carry out 64,000 calculations simultaneously (in parallel "universes")

Does that mean we can find out what our universe would be like without Hillary?

80 posted on 02/09/2007 2:25:49 PM PST by mjp (I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico.)
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