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No Evidence Of A Saddam - Osama Link?
Flopping Aces ^ | 02-11-07 | Curt

Posted on 02/11/2007 2:12:04 PM PST by Starman417

Via Powerline we get this trip down memory lane. 1999 to be exact. It's a ABC news report which details all the connections between Saddam and Osama, of course this was before Bush came along and "cooked" the books according to the NYT's. First the video:

(See it here)

Now take a look at the new NYT's editorial:

It took far too long, but a report by the Pentagon inspector general has finally confirmed that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s do-it-yourself intelligence office cooked up a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda to help justify an unjustifiable war.

The report said the team headed by Douglas Feith, under secretary of defense for policy, developed “alternative” assessments of intelligence on Iraq that contradicted the intelligence community and drew conclusions “that were not supported by the available intelligence.” Mr. Feith certainly knew the Central Intelligence Agency would cry foul, so he hid his findings from the C.I.A. Then Vice President Dick Cheney used them as proof of cloak-and-dagger meetings that never happened, long-term conspiracies between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden that didn’t exist, and — most unforgivable — “possible Iraqi coordination” on the 9/11 attacks, which no serious intelligence analyst believed.

Of course they forget how many of the left's heroes were singing the words "Saddam and Osama" in the 90's and beyond. Short memory and all I suppose. Here is a refresher:

We have solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida going back a decade. - George Tenet 2002

there was that relationship that went from opposing each other to not opposing each other to possibly working with each other. - Patrick Fitzgerald 2004

Certainly there's a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda - General Wesley Clarke 2002

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. - Sen. Hillary Clinton 2002

I want to be real clear about the connection with terrorists. I've seen a lot of evidence on this. There are extensive contacts between Saddam Hussein's government and al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. I never could reach the conclusion that [Saddam] was part of September 11. Don't get me wrong about that. But there was so much smoke there that it made me worry. And you know, some people say with a great facility, al Qaeda and Saddam could never get together. He is secular and they're theological. But there's something that tied them together. It's their hatred of us. - Sen. Joe Lieberman 2003

Just a few to get ya started, more to come.

Then lets look at a few points from my posts a few years back:

Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, a 37 year old Iraqi citizen, was a greeter at Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia in August 2000 (I know, sounds kinda like wal-mart but apparently greeters are quite common in Southeast Asia). How was he hired to be a greeter? Ahmed had told associates that he had been hired by contact's in the Iraqi embassy. What's unusual is that it was this contact, not his employer, who told him when and where to report to.

In late December of 1999 the CIA, NSA and The State Department all received intelligence that indicated there would be a Al-Qaeda meeting in Malaysia in early January of 2000. The NSA had intercepted communications from those tied to the 1998 Kenya/Tanzania embassy bombings. The information was incomplete but did contain the names of three people, Khalid, Nawaf, and Salem.

The CIA and Malaysian intelligence set up a joint operation to track the meeting. They got many photographs of the principals arriving. Principals such as Khalid al Mihdhar (A known al-Qaeda associate), Nawaf al Hazmi, Yazid Sufaat (another known al-Qaeda associate) and Ramzi bin al Shibh. An interesting note about Ramzi, he would later brag to be the "coordinator of the holy tuesday operation" (9/11).

Ahmed was told to work the day these guys showed up. After greeting these fine folks Ahmed didn't go back to work but left with them to the meeting. The meeting ended on Jan 8th and Ahmed quit on the 10th.

The purpose of this meeting? The planning of attack on the USS Cole and 9/11. Malaysian and American intelligence bear this out. Don't believe it? Then guess who was on flight 77 on 9/11? Nawaf al Hazmi, his brother Salem and Khalid al Mihdhar...that's right, the same folks photographed upon their arrival for the above meeting.

Or how about Andrew McCarthy's post some time back with a few facts you should be aware of:

What does the “nothing whatsoever” crowd have to say about:

But alas, it was Bushitler and his evil regime cooking the books, rubbing their hands in glee over a witches brew....

Do these people ever come back to reality?

Stephen Hayes:

more than two years after the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein was ousted, there is much we do not know about the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda. We do know, however, that there was one. We know about this relationship not from Bush administration assertions but from internal Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) documents recovered in Iraq after the war--documents that have been authenticated by a U.S. intelligence community long hostile to the very idea that any such relationship exists.

We know from these IIS documents that beginning in 1992 the former Iraqi regime regarded bin Laden as an Iraqi Intelligence asset. We know from IIS documents that the former Iraqi regime provided safe haven and financial support to an Iraqi who has admitted to mixing the chemicals for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. We know from IIS documents that Saddam Hussein agreed to Osama bin Laden's request to broadcast anti-Saudi propaganda on Iraqi state-run television. We know from IIS documents that a "trusted confidante" of bin Laden stayed for more than two weeks at a posh Baghdad hotel as the guest of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

We have been told by Hudayfa Azzam, the son of bin Laden's longtime mentor Abdullah Azzam, that Saddam Hussein welcomed young al Qaeda members "with open arms" before the war, that they "entered Iraq in large numbers, setting up an organization to confront the occupation," and that the regime "strictly and directly" controlled their activities. We have been told by Jordan's King Abdullah that his government knew Abu Musab al Zarqawi was in Iraq before the war and requested that the former Iraqi regime deport him. We have been told by Time magazine that confidential documents from Zarqawi's group, recovered in recent raids, indicate other jihadists had joined him in Baghdad before the Hussein regime fell. We have been told by one of those jihadists that he was with Zarqawi in Baghdad before the war. We have been told by Ayad Allawi, former Iraqi prime minister and a longtime CIA source, that other Iraqi Intelligence documents indicate bin Laden's top deputy was in Iraq for a jihadist conference in September 1999.

There is a mountain of evidence to prove that Saddam did indeed have contacts with al-Qaeda. The Democrats were absolutely convinced of that fact back when ole' Bill was in office but they have a selective memory now.

Even Bill knew there was a connection when the indictment was issued against Osama:

In fact, during President Clinton's eight years in office, there were at least two official pronouncements of an alarming alliance between Baghdad and al Qaeda. One came from William S. Cohen, Mr. Clinton's defense secretary. He cited an al Qaeda-Baghdad link to justify the bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan.

Mr. Bush cited the linkage, in part, to justify invading Iraq and ousting Saddam. He said he could not take the risk of Iraq's weapons falling into bin Laden's hands.

The other pronouncement is contained in a Justice Department indictment on Nov. 4, 1998, charging bin Laden with murder in the bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.

The indictment disclosed a close relationship between al Qaeda and Saddam's regime, which included specialists on chemical weapons and all types of bombs, including truck bombs, a favorite weapon of terrorists.

The 1998 indictment said: "Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."

Shortly after the embassy bombings, Mr. Clinton ordered air strikes on al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and on the Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.

To justify the Sudanese plant as a target, Clinton aides said it was involved in the production of deadly VX nerve gas. Officials further determined that bin Laden owned a stake in the operation and that its manager had traveled to Baghdad to learn bomb-making techniques from Saddam's weapons scientists.

Now, conveniently, everyone has a memory loss. And our MSM continues to aid and abet that memory loss by ignoring their own past judgements.

Just ask Laurie Mylroie, former Clinton terrorism czar, who wrote the following in 1999:

A series of articles followed in the international, particularly Arabic, press about links between Iraq and bin Ladin. Some party/ies wanted to put the story out, it seems. Some information in the articles is known and reliable, like the role of Hassan Turabi, head of Sudan's Islamic movement, in putting Osama bin Ladin in contact with Iraqi intelligence, during bin Ladin's residence in Khartoum. But other information would not likely be known to outsiders and seems invented.

That said, on Dec 28, the Italian paper, Corriere della Sera, reported "Saddam Husayn and Osama Bin Ladin have sealed a pact. Faruq Hijazi, the former director of the Iraqi secret services and now the country's ambassador to Turkey, held a secret meeting with the extremist leader on 21 December. . . . Hijazi reiterated Iraq's amenability to offering shelter to Osama and to his mujahedin, 'You will always be a welcome guest. . . We cannot forget our debt of gratitude. This was a reference to the establishment last February of the 'International Islamic Front against the Crusaders and the Jews,' announced by Osama in the midst of one of the periodic crises between Iraq and the United Nations. . . The same ritual was reenacted during the most recent crisis. The day after the air strikes, Osama called an international news conference and issued a new statement, including threats that neither Washington nor London are taking lightly. . . . "

On Jan 1, the Paris-based, Al Watan Al Arabi, reported that in late Oct, 98, an Iraqi and Sudanese visited bin Ladin in Afghanistan. "Informed intelligence sources . . . were convinced that it was part of a new plan for cooperation and coordination, or more accurately a renewed one, between Iraq, bin Ladin and Sudan. Information available to these sources confirmed that bin-Ladin began to establish close ties with Iraq at least five years ago, specifically when the leader of Muslim extremists chose to reside in Sudan with the blessing and protection of Dr. Hassan al-Turabi, leader of the National Islamic Movement. These sources asserted that they received in the past few years confirmed and detailed information that cooperation between bin Ladin and Iraq entered 'an important and grave stage' through their cooperation in the field of producing chemical and biological weapons. "Al Watan al-Arabi's information indicated that several western diplomatic and security sources, including European ones, which have good relations with Sudan, warned in secret reports they sent at the end of last year that Iraq, Sudan, and bin Ladin were cooperating and coordinating in the field of chemical weapons. These reports said that several chemical factories were built in Sudan. They were financed by bin Ladin and supervised by Iraqi experts and technicians following a deal between Baghdad, Khartoum, and bin-Ladin. . . . "Informed sources asserted that the meeting was extremely serious. The two sides laid down the details of the biggest act of cooperation and coordination between the extremist Islamic organizations and Baghdad for confronting the United States, the common enemy. This information indicated that the meeting focused on the ways with which Iraq could help the germ and chemical weapons laboratories. A second meeting was held later in which "Bin Ladin stressed to the Iraqi envoys that he could reach areas, which the Iraqi intelligence could not reach. He referred to the spread of his cells in the Arab countries and the world and focused on his ability to penetrate Arab and Islamic countries through fundamentalist groups."

On Jan 10, the Saudi-financed, London-based, weekly, Al-Majallah, reported that in Oct 98, an Iraqi intelligence official met with the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar, Osama bin Ladin, and Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of Egypt's Jihad movement. In Dec, according to Al-Majllah, the Iraqi embassy in Islamabad held a series of meetings with "leaders of a number of Pakistani fundamentalist movements and elements from the Taleban, with the knowledge of Pakistani military intelligence . . . On 21 December a high-ranking Iraqi diplomat normally based in Turkey visited Taleban leader Mullah Omar's residence in Kandahar, then headed for Khowat where he met with bin Ladin and al-Zawahiri. . . . [He] affirmed to his Afghan and Arab audience Iraq's willingness to provide financial, logistic, political and informational support for the Taleban and the Afghan Arabs."

Yeah, memory loss, that's the ticket.

But according to today's NYT's, there was never ANY intelligence to indicate Saddam and Osama were buddies. Nope. All a figment of our imagination.



Check out Scott Malensk's huge resource on all the links: (article with huge list of links to investigations etc)

Saddam Ties:


The left lies:

TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedaandiraq; bushlied; iraq; osama; prewardocs; saddam; terrorism; wot
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1 posted on 02/11/2007 2:12:07 PM PST by Starman417
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2 posted on 02/11/2007 2:14:36 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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ping ping

3 posted on 02/11/2007 2:18:39 PM PST by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process™ •)
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this wilting and waffling of american will to differentiate right from wrong will be the downfall. the terrorists? love the confusion in america and its easy to generate new divisive b/s for the mindsets to try to grapple with. all of it wastes american resources and gives them time and accordingly power to continue their agenda , unabated.

wilting and waffling

4 posted on 02/11/2007 2:24:16 PM PST by himno hero
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Just damn! No WMDs and no al Quada link. That thar' Bush sure is a liar. I sure wish the ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN would tell the Amerikan public how stupid they were to have elected this big fat LIAR twice to the Office of POTUS. Now the Clintons and the Democrat administrations/ legislatures sure are honest, and they have Amerika's best interests at heart.

Only one cure for these lying Republicans - elect the grand Caliphate and Umma, Hillary!

5 posted on 02/11/2007 2:25:49 PM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: Starman417
Love those trips down Memory Ln. I guess the media reporters, journalist, commentators and anchors are pretty dumb that they can't remember their own reports or evidence.
6 posted on 02/11/2007 2:27:25 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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7 posted on 02/11/2007 2:29:18 PM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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8 posted on 02/11/2007 2:34:13 PM PST by r-q-tek86 (Snakes can't be taught to walk.)
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To: Starman417
Great post!

Saddam Hussein's Philanthropy of Terror
9 posted on 02/11/2007 2:37:46 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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Your link is no worky.

10 posted on 02/11/2007 2:39:05 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Starman417

Another good article by Stephen Hayes regarding Saddam Hussein's terrorist ties to the Abu Sayaaf in the Philippines: (one of these attacks killed a U.S. Army sergeant)

11 posted on 02/11/2007 2:39:23 PM PST by Ben Hecks
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Excellent comment: nail/head, concise, to the point and I believe 100% on target.

12 posted on 02/11/2007 2:54:14 PM PST by brushcop (Men of B-Co 2/69 3ID, God bless and protect you on yet another Iraq deployment.)
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The administration has done a horrible job in term of PR regarding this matter. There is no reason whatsoever to let the left lie with impunity about the relationship between Iraq and AQ.

For goodness sake, Clinton's federal indictment of OBL mentions that AQ agrees not to attack Iraq in exchange for weapons training. That sounds exactly like a relationship and business deal to me!

13 posted on 02/11/2007 3:08:03 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Starman417
Its amazing that suddenly all these media people have this just-add-water campaign to 'prove' the Saddam was never connected to Al Qaeda. Even FNC this morning was blocking for the NYT and Al Reuters. This is all obviously a PR flanking manuever to support somebody's agenda. I'm just waiting to see who will be stepping forward to announce something so I know who this propaganda is being provided on behalf of.

This is way too big of a propaganda offensive just to bolster the senate democrat efforts to pass useless resolutions against the Surge. This must be flanking an effort to pull out of Iraq entirely so I'd be looking for Hillary to sudden announce that she has concluded that 'there is no choice' but to withdraw immediately 'because of the faulty intelligence and disasterous lack of leadership'. Lets see if it takes more or less than a week for this to occur.

14 posted on 02/11/2007 3:10:33 PM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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(Thanks for saving this Peach.)

15 posted on 02/11/2007 3:15:35 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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D'oh, thanks. Try this link for Saddam Hussein's Philanthropy of Terror.
16 posted on 02/11/2007 3:35:30 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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Didn't work again. Hmm. Try here
17 posted on 02/11/2007 3:36:49 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: Starman417

What's amazing is how thoroughly the msm has buried James Woolsey - former CIA director, and what he has to say about intelligence on the mutual attraction and twisted skeins of complicity between America's two most implacable enemies.

Woolsey testifed at the NY trial that led a federal judge to find Iraq monetarily responsible to victims of al Qaeda's 1993 WTC bombing.

18 posted on 02/11/2007 3:39:10 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Okay. Thanks.

19 posted on 02/11/2007 3:40:19 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Starman417
This is all the evidence I need:

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While Saddam may not have PLANNED the hit .. I'm very confident he was happy to be complicit in it .. and allowed terrorists to train on Iraq soil. And .. if Saddam was not complicit in the hit .. then why on earth would he have commissioned the above picture showing his glee at the event ..?? Maybe Osama personally didn't contact Saddam about this hit .. but Saddam was still involved in it - of that I'm very sure.

20 posted on 02/11/2007 3:44:41 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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