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Research: God did speak world into existence
WorldNetDaily ^ | February 11, 2007 9:35 p.m. Eastern

Posted on 02/11/2007 9:14:11 PM PST by Tim Long

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To: parashift

One handle for being a science crank and the other for being a Christian crank.

My only question is this: Do you really have no life or do you use a random Bible verse / science terminiology generator to create your postings?

101 posted on 02/19/2007 6:22:07 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

The relationship between all matter and sound

Dear Sirs and Ma'ams,

In the 1800's Darwin gave the world a proposal for the origins of the species. In 1925 the only forum in which his theory can be evidenced made history: Scopes trial, Rhea County Courthouse, Dayton, TN. And who was the scientist that observed the transition of one species to the next? The writer, H.L. Mencken. In 2007, Darwin will receive his answer. This time from a laboratory and with a mathematical proof.

I am Samuel J Hunt, a student at Western Kentucky University and I seek your review and support of my work. The possibility of a sequential mathematical and experimental dual proof of the genesis record of origins as the institution behind all that is in the universe from waves to matter to the mind was examined (see attached abstract). The title of my proof is (see attached), "Episteme Scientia, the Law of All That Is." What is it that my paper seeks to empirically prove through the scientific method? That all matter can be spoken into existence. My proof shows this in three steps.
1) There is a mathematical relationship between all matter and frequency.
2) There is a mathematical relationship between all frequency and sound.
3) Therefore, there is a mathematical relationship between all matter and sound.

This, gentlemen, is the final frontier of science. This relationship shows that matter can be spoken into existence by a sonic influence. Sonoluminescence is only the beginning. This document includes within its scope and depth all scientific disciplines, all mathematical disciplines, and all Psychological disciplines. Everything is contained within the Genesis Record. Truly, "The Law of All That Is" begins with "And God said..."

The debate is over and I can prove the Genesis record is the only possible record of origins through empirical data and the scientific method. I, at present, do not adhere (and have not come from) any school of discipline concerning one side of the debate or the other. I have chosen to explore the wilderness; and although I have not paved a superhighway, yet, I have at least made a trail wide enough for us all to follow to the conclusion of this matter. Truly, this trail is wide enough that it can be seen how this law can easily be introduced as scientific and taught in classrooms all over the world.

I humbly await your review.
Sincerely,
Samuel J Hunt

So far the purported intellect that you suppose we should know you have is evidently lacking. You cannot argue with the math. Which is why you won't read the document.

But your pictures are pretty.


102 posted on 02/25/2007 11:21:09 AM PST by parashift
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To: parashift
Frankly, you don't know a d@mn thing about chemistry or physics. Sound requires condense phase matter. In other words, matter is a prerequisite for sound.

1) There is a mathematical relationship between all matter and frequency.
2) There is a mathematical relationship between all frequency and sound.
3) Therefore, there is a mathematical relationship between all matter and sound.

Your logic is faulty as well as your understanding of this subject. A methematical relationship is not equivalent to a physical relationship.

Your logic is like this story. All cats have 4 legs and a tail. Then, a dog, who is comtemplating what he is realized that he has 4 legs and a tail. Therefore, the dog thinks, I am a cat.

You can try to fool a lot of people here and you did snooker WND, but you are a crank of the highest caliber. You ramble without any original, scientific thought and spout off about some connection between sound and light without even demonstrating an elementray understanding of either. You should be ashamed of yourself.

103 posted on 02/26/2007 5:47:50 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

Because you say I am an idiot or a know-nothing says nothing of your ability to disprove anything I have said. As a matter of fact -you cannot disprove anything I have said. A photon is exactly what I described. The experiment happens exactly the way I described. You obviously did not read the last post carefully, but I will give you another reason you don't know what you are critiquing--because you haven't read it to know how.

"Magnetic fields can be detected everywhere, in and near planets, between stars, and throughout galaxies...Theory has emphasized rather simple concepts that are equivalent to mechanics and gas dynamics: magnetic energy can do work like any other reservoir of energy, magnetic pressure acts much like gas pressure, and magnetic tension acts like the tension on a violin string. Moreover, the concept of magnetic induction can be used to visualize magnetic fields and TO CONVERT THE MAGNETIC FIELDS FROM A MATHEMATICAL CONSTRUCT TO ... A PHYSICAL QUANTITY. Thus the topic of magnetic fields can be used in physics courses as an example of energies, pressures, waves, and Faraday's Law of Induction."
---Donat G Wentzel, "Astrophysics for Univeristy Physics Courses", written for United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs, July 1998.

All physical relationships have a mathematical equivalent. Perhaps, tho, not all mathematical relationships have to have a physical relationship --but that doesn't prove your point(just because you haven't built the house yet, doesn't mean it isn't mathematically proven to exist in a set of blueprints as a physical entity that will be built). And my work is original. If not, please tell me who the scientist was that said all matter has a mathematical and physical relationship to sound and can be spoken into existence.

"You ramble without any original, scientific thought..."
Honestly, sir, you are the only one rambling, and cursing, and using pictures for slander I might add; talking about dogs and cats and such. But you are getting boring now, and redundant. The only science you can come up with is the word "crank" and you just keep repeating it to yourself --NOT BECAUSE YOU CAME UP WITH IT ORIGINALLY, but because you borrowed it from someone else. How original!!

As a matter of fact all knowledge is unoriginal. Did you create the alphabet? or Language? or Thought? or the energy from which brain waves are created wherein thoughts form? Since you did not create any of that--then everything you know is borrowed and unoriginal. Even my theory ---as I state, "science has been proving it for more than 450 years". But none of those things were created by any man. So I ask you ---where did the information come from for life? You cannot deny that information can only come from a mind and cannot create itself. SO who, or what, was the original mind? We also know that energy cannot create information, nor can magnetism.

SO where did it come from Doc scientist? It has to come from a mind.


104 posted on 02/26/2007 3:45:35 PM PST by parashift
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To: parashift
I'll add to my comments and say you are a loon! You don't even understand the quotes you are supplying. FIrst of all, a mathematical relationship regarding aphysical phenomenon is nothing more than a description that we apply to an observed phenomenon. A mathematical relationship is not a physical manifestation, but a description of a physical relationship. And those mathematical relationships to physical phenomenon exist within observational error and are not an exact match, which is an importnat element that your description lacks.

All physical relationships have a mathematical equivalent. Perhaps, tho, not all mathematical relationships have to have a physical relationship --but that doesn't prove your point(just because you haven't built the house yet, doesn't mean it isn't mathematically proven to exist in a set of blueprints as a physical entity that will be built). And my work is original. If not, please tell me who the scientist was that said all matter has a mathematical and physical relationship to sound and can be spoken into existence.

A blueprint isn't a house. It's a piece of paper, or a CAD document. It is a conceptual representation of a house to within certain tolerances. You can't live in a blue print. And where do these mathematical representations come from? How do you know they represent a physical phenomenon and not another set of mathematical relationships?

Lets go back to your previous post:

1) There is a mathematical relationship between all matter and frequency.
2) There is a mathematical relationship between all frequency and sound.
3) Therefore, there is a mathematical relationship between all matter and sound.

You have made a mathematical claim but you have not substantiated it. You can claim all the relationships that you want, but until you demonstrate a mathematical derivation of your claims, then it is nothing but hot air. And you also fail to recognize that 'mathematical relationship' is really a 'mathematical description.'

So I ask you ---where did the information come from for life?

Your question assumes that there was pre-existing information about life. Prove it. To me, there wasn't any pre-existing information, no pre-existing blue print. It's all basically material following the principles of chemistry and physics. Assigning 'information content' is a very anthropomorphic concept and is, at best, an analogy.

105 posted on 02/27/2007 5:56:39 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

???


106 posted on 02/27/2007 8:30:18 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Kirkwood
You think God is a magnet?

Worldnutdaily wouldn't print it if it weren't true, would they?

107 posted on 02/27/2007 9:47:16 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: parashift
BY THE WAY ELECTRICITY STILL REMAINS A MIRACLE.

I bet the reason you post asinine comments like that on the forum is because your friends laugh their asses off when you say stuff like that in person?

108 posted on 02/27/2007 9:50:46 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Coyoteman

Please don deride my favorite bird from northern Ontario. I love the eloquence of the calls this type of bird makes.....


109 posted on 02/27/2007 11:36:50 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: shuckmaster

My response to the “God is a magnet?" question

BTW–yes, God is a magnet. You are the opposite pole. You are attracted to speak about him in a negative way. Others, to talk about him in a positive way. But–HE is the topic of both the positive and the negative poles. Hence, God is a Magnet, especially since he can be empirically proven to have created you and they, believer and non believer. The only reason these comments are here is because of the interplay of the positive and negative electric fields (N or S)–God is merely the bar upon which these topics can exist. If no God ever existed==no topic to be attracted to discuss. Therefore, he does exist and he is a magnet.
Further, if electrons and protons are vibrating –they are moving. When electricity moves what is the result? A magnetic field is created. What happens when you move a magnet? Electricity is produced. Let’s see, I believe that is a law of physics–oh yes–Faraday’s.
Are you electrical? Yes. So every time you move you create a magnetic field right? Yes. Do you ever attract anything to you? YEs. say some pretty girl, ugly girl, circumstances good and bad? Maybe your wife? Could she be your reciprocal? Yes, evidently, if you are married. This makes you a magnet to. Huh, that’s strange –I thought you were trying to make me look crazy or something.
IS God any different? No. If He exists, and He does, He is composed of the same EL(God)-ments. Since you were created in His image and likeness, you are the proof of this. Are you attracted to him? Yes, because opposites attract. Are believers attracted to him? Yes, because positive fields embed each other harmonically. The effect of your relationship –either positive or negative–determines the outcome, or what it will produce. Either you will embed your short wave harmonically into the long wave of God (heaven), or like Young’s dbl slit experiment, you will create an interference pattern and cancel your self out(hell)–constantly be in dissonance, confusion, etc.
This is what the day of judgment is all about. Where will you stand?


110 posted on 03/08/2007 9:05:50 PM PST by parashift
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To: shuckmaster

ruely God is a magnet...He ' drew' me to Himself as a magnet draws a paper clip!And, He continues to 'draw' me to Himself. Just as Jesus said: "No man can come to me except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him. And I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44 People are 'drawn by many things to many things and places, even against their own wills, because of some 'magnetic' something or another. Just as the Apostle Paul wrote in a letter
to the Roman church:..."for to will is present with me but, how to perform that which is good, I find not. Now, if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I delight in the law of God after the inner man; but, I see another law working in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members." Romans 7:18-23 {Now, that is a 'magnetic' hold on someone through an unseen force which must be broken by another, more powerful, force of magnetisim!!} And the good news is that which this person can personally bear witness of :) (Thank you Jesus!) Paul further writes: "O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the (magnetic pull) body of this death?! I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord." That is the power of lining up our wills with our creators will for us and living and abiding in perfect harmony and peace with God. Free at last, Free at last! Great God Almighty, I'm Free at last!!! :)


111 posted on 03/08/2007 9:05:51 PM PST by parashift
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