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The Conservative Movements of 2008
Renew America ^ | 02/12/2007 | Adam Graham

Posted on 02/12/2007 11:39:59 AM PST by Keyes2000mt

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To: Prokopton

LOLOL

The streets of NYC used to be a war zone, doesn't that count?


21 posted on 02/12/2007 12:10:42 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
We had a popular Conservative as POTUSA.

Sorry, Reagan wasn't all that conservative and had the fortune to run against Jimmy Carter in a horrible economy.

22 posted on 02/12/2007 12:12:01 PM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus
[.. So any politician who goes out and preaches "uniter not a divider" gets their ear. It's just another way people fool themselves. Any politician who ignores that need in the people is also known as a loser. ..]

It was George Bush's main sound bite in 2000/4, you remember..
I agree Bush has pretty much fractured the republican party..
Only a matter of time before he supports Giuliani.. unless he supports the one he DON'T want to succeed..

23 posted on 02/12/2007 12:18:56 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Keyes2000mt

Hey Adam.....

at least you can spell.

That's about all I can say positive about your simplistic point of view.


24 posted on 02/12/2007 12:22:05 PM PST by Doninnj
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To: NormsRevenge
I could vote for Rudy in the primary unless Newt runs, then I'll vote for Newt even if he can't get elected in the general. I'm pro-life but it's not likely that congress is going to be able to pass a constitutional amendment. The best thing that has happened to conservatives are the two conservative justices that were appointed by Bush, who is now in the conservative's dog house for not rounding up illegal's, branding them, and escorting them back to Mexico City. Despite what Bush has done to prevent another attack, and for giving pro-life some chance for change, conservatives have abandoned him, and the media is salivating. I'm only surprised that impeachment proceeding have not yet commenced. Talk about shooting one's self in the foot?
25 posted on 02/12/2007 12:25:42 PM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: Keyes2000mt
There are a great number of conservatives in America. They are dedicated to conserving:

> The New Deal.
> The Vietnam-era sprit of protest.
> The dysfunctional public school system.
> Laws favoring labor unions at the expense of individual entrepreneurs.
> The US tax code.
> The free flow of money into the US Treasury and back out to particular groups whose votes need to stay bought.
> Congressional earmarks on legislation.
> Their own tenure in office.

But finding someone interested in conserving the radical spirit of liberty exemplified by the Founding Fathers, well, that's a tricky one. And it's hard to "conserve" something that hasn't really been a part of American life for a century and half.

So I'd say we need a lot fewer "conservatives" and a lot more radicals. ;)

26 posted on 02/12/2007 12:27:37 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Keyes2000mt
don't you think you need to add: Adam Graham is Idaho State Coordinator for the John Cox Presidential campaign. He was Montana State Coordinator for the Alan Keyes campaign in 2000, and in 2004 was a candidate for the Republican nomination for the Idaho State House. to the bottom of your post?
27 posted on 02/12/2007 12:51:53 PM PST by PDR
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To: Keyes2000mt

I don't see my brand of conservative in that description above.

Where are the pro-freedom conservatives, those who believe in freedom because it's the right thing to do as opposed to those who like freedom because it works most of the time?

These conservatives hate big government because it restricts our freedom, not because it "doesn't work."

These conservatives want lower taxes because it cuts down the size of government (or, at least it should).

These conservatives believe that the Bill of Rights is immutable, and don;t think it should be suspended because of a conflict either here or abroad.

These conservatives are heirs to the Barry Goldwater school of conservatism, not Richard Nixon's. In economics they favor Friedman and Hayak and Mises over Galbreath and Keynes.

These conservatives would never go along with efforts to increase entitlements, grow the Department of Education, or raise tariffs.

Wish these conservatives had a place in our GOP.


28 posted on 02/12/2007 1:11:32 PM PST by Desperately Seeking Freedom
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To: PDR

I'm enthralled with these people who are obsessed with "defining" others to pump themselves up as the "real, true" conservatives.

Reminds me of a girl who lived in our town who was very rich and kind of looked down her nose at the rest of us because we were just "normal" people; she had a friend in town and brought her to a big party; someone overheard her telling her friend that "most of these people are from the wrong side of the tracks."

We finally figured it out: she built the tracks around HER house; not hard to find people to look down on then, is it?

Somebody needs to remind me again just who it is who is trying to "divide" this party.


29 posted on 02/12/2007 1:25:47 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: street_lawyer

Excellent points and something I've wondered. When a major paper like the LA Times is up for sale, why wasn't there any serious conservatives bidding on it?


30 posted on 02/12/2007 1:29:23 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: rhombus

The same people who espouse Reaganism have forgotten he wasn't a conservative governor in California, he had to govern according to the state, which was already leaning liberal. Once he was President he governed according to the country as a whole and was more conservative.


31 posted on 02/12/2007 1:32:47 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
The same people who espouse Reaganism have forgotten he wasn't a conservative governor in California, he had to govern according to the state, which was already leaning liberal. Once he was President he governed according to the country as a whole and was more conservative.

That's a very good way of explaining things. It's an interesting dilemma that both Rudy and Mitt faced. The question is do we demand purity in those blue state and just give up or do we accept a bit of the RINO to try to break down blue state stereotypes about Republicans? I hate the thought of giving up. I confess that I celebrated when Rudy won NY and also rejoiced when Mitt won Massachusetts.

32 posted on 02/12/2007 1:59:07 PM PST by rhombus
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To: Keyes2000mt

This is the shallowest analysis of the conservative movement I've seen this side of DU.


33 posted on 02/12/2007 2:01:04 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Arizona Carolyn
When a major paper like the LA Times is up for sale, why wasn't there any serious conservatives bidding on it?

Because newspapers don't make money any more. However, it would be nice if a wealthy conservative could subsidize the darn thing so we could try and effect the dinosaurs who still believe it's true if it's on newsprint.

34 posted on 02/12/2007 2:02:46 PM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus; TitansAFC
It's just another way people fool themselves.

Same as with the other end of the spectrum.

Every 8-12 years, social conservatives throw a tantrum and DEMAND that a candidate take a "strong" position and say out loud the magic words: "I think abortion should be illegal everywhere."

No matter that no pro-life candidate has done a damn thing to overturn Roe/Wade....it doesn't matter. They just want someone to say the magic words, and then they will vote against Hillary.

35 posted on 02/12/2007 2:10:51 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: zbigreddogz

I'm not sure what this analysis was intended to do here. First I thought it was just another disunity stink bomb to get us all a-sqwabblin'. Any writing that tries to label groups can always smell bad. Then as I watched the discussion board here I agreed that the "conservative movement" as you called it, is moved forward by different groups with not exactly the same ordered priorities. When we reject this, we lose. When we accept this, we win and winning by losing is what the party of the "communal movement" wants us to do.


36 posted on 02/12/2007 2:19:06 PM PST by rhombus
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To: sam_paine
Agreed. Making people "testify" is a little too communal for me. There's other ways to urge people to respect life than asking Nanny Gov't to prosecute.
37 posted on 02/12/2007 2:24:41 PM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus
There's other ways to urge people to respect life than asking Nanny Gov't to prosecute.

What I don't get is their "trick God" plan.

They're concerned that the country's morality is withering on the vine in God's eyes, and if they can only elect a pro-life prez, and pass a Federal or Constitutional Law.....then...well, God will think our morality is restored.

Never mind that the deteriorating individual morality of the people isn't changed one bit....nope, they need to wait till 2008 to improve morality by force of government.

38 posted on 02/12/2007 2:59:26 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Well I don't know too much about everyone's individual morality. But I sure as heck wouldn't want to know about every screaming monkey on every hairy back. Thank you very much but it just isn't my job. :-)


39 posted on 02/12/2007 3:45:44 PM PST by rhombus
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To: Peach

For one, Renew America is less of a blog that Free Republic. Second, the article has nothing to do with Alan Keyes who is almost certainly not running in 2008.


40 posted on 02/12/2007 5:29:58 PM PST by Keyes2000mt (A Statesman Not a Politician: John Cox for President (http://idahoforcox.wordpress.com))
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