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Daguerreotype of Young Abraham Lincoln (Amazing NEW picture of Lincoln ca early 1840s)
PORTRAIT OF LINCOLN: ^

Posted on 02/13/2007 3:32:34 PM PST by PJ-Comix


President Lincoln - 1862
Kaplan
Copyright Albert Kaplan 1983

(click on image for the
full daguerreotype plate)

In 1977 Albert Kaplan purchased the daguerreotype receipted as "Portrait of a Young Man" from an art gallery in New York. "When I first saw it I thought that there were similarities between the handsome, aristocratic, and tastefully groomed young man of the daguerreotype, and my mental image of President Lincoln."

Over the years Kaplan researched and assembled materials which cast light on the physical man, Lincoln. Kaplan believed that the best qualified people to analyze the image, and the assembled materials, to consider whether the daguerreotype is of Abraham Lincoln, would be plastic and reconstructive surgeons who work with the human face. In 1987 Kaplan, then living in Paris, sought out Dr. Claude N. Frechette, a plastic and reconstructive surgeon at the American Hospital in Paris, whose report "A New Lincoln Image" is here included. A second report, "Artifact Description of Kaplan Daguerreotype", is by Grant B. Romer, Conservator of the George Eastman House International Museum of Photography & Film in Rochester, New York.

The only other known, and hitherto earliest, daguerreotype of Lincoln, Meserve #1, in the possession of the Library of Congress, was a gift of Robert Todd Lincoln to Frederick Hill Meserve. Meserve reported that "Lincoln believed it was made in Washington in 1848".

In 1965, the New York Academy of Sciences published "Abraham Lincoln's Philosophy Of Common Sense - An Analytical Biography of a Great Mind", by Edward J. Kempf, M.D., a neurologist and psychiatrist whose interest in Lincoln began when he first saw the Volk life mask, from which he inferred that Lincoln must have suffered a serious cranial injury in childhood. After investigating further, Dr. Kempf found Lincoln's own account of having been kicked in the forehead by a horse at age 10 years and "thought dead for awhile." The nature of the cerebral damage, and how it might have influenced the development of Lincoln's personality and mind became a question of absorbing interest to the author. The resulting analytical biography was the product of the author's 12 subsequent years of research.

Because the trauma-induced deformations of Lincoln's face, distinctly described by Dr. Kempf, are seen unmistakably in the Kaplan daguerreotype, providing in themselves compelling evidence in support of the daguerreotype's authenticity, we reprint the Kempf analysis (from the title page to the end of Chapter I of Volume I).

An earlier Kempf study of Lincoln's cranial injury appeared in the April 1952 American Medical Association (AMA) Archives of Neurology and Psychiatry, Volume 67, Number 4, entitled, "Abraham Lincoln's Organic and Emotional Neurosis".


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abrahamlincoln; expertsonacid; lincon; notevenclose; notlincoln; wishfulthinking
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To: Al Simmons

Just for argument's sake, is it possible the the right picture of Lincoln has his head tilted downward more than the person in the left picture?

Notice how much of the ear is above the LC line on the right, and the lobe above the LN line, vs. on the left.

Also, see how much of the underside of the nose is visible above the LN line on the left vs. the right?

If Lincoln on the right were tilting his head lower, could that not explain the apparently stronger chin?

-PJ

181 posted on 02/13/2007 5:16:24 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: WestwardHo
"The eyelids tell all. The young man has droopy eyelids. Lincoln's are more recessed. If he had the young man's eyelids, that droopy look would have been more pronounced with age. Thanks for the posting!"

Dude, dude....ever hear the expression "Can't see the forest for the trees?"

182 posted on 02/13/2007 5:17:06 PM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney? Sounds like a winner to me.....)
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To: PJ-Comix
Is this where you found the photo?

Ebay link

183 posted on 02/13/2007 5:17:29 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I remember that auction. I did not believe it was him then, and I do not believe it now.


184 posted on 02/13/2007 5:17:41 PM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

For argument's sake, examining those two photos....NO.


186 posted on 02/13/2007 5:18:49 PM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney? Sounds like a winner to me.....)
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To: Al Simmons

I see the top list of presidents on your profile, so apparently there is no moving you on the issue. Thats alright though. I have my thoughts on the man, as do you; however, mine are not near as favorable.


187 posted on 02/13/2007 5:19:22 PM PST by gun_supporter
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To: Political Junkie Too

but then his eyes and hairline wouldn't match up.


188 posted on 02/13/2007 5:19:48 PM PST by California74
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To: California74
Sorry, don't buy it. The guy in this picture is too fat to be Lincoln. Lincoln was thin and long and lanky.

The young Lincoln is described as 6 foot 4 and about 210-215 pounds, enormously strong, and an exceptional athlete.

About the same size and weight as Art Monk in his playing days.

189 posted on 02/13/2007 5:19:56 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: PJ-Comix

It's not him; the chins look different.


190 posted on 02/13/2007 5:20:01 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: gun_supporter

I shudder to ask for your list of Presidents...would it at all resemble my 'bottom' list by any chance?


191 posted on 02/13/2007 5:21:41 PM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney? Sounds like a winner to me.....)
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To: PJ-Comix

bttt


192 posted on 02/13/2007 5:24:56 PM PST by TEXOKIE (Wear Red on Fridays to support the troops!!)
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To: PJ-Comix
Normally with age, the nose grows longer...

No, that's not true. I posed this question to a plastic surgeon, who told me that with age, one's facial skin fatty deposits usually retract (if that's the right word), making the nose appear to have grown larger. The nose itself does not increase in size, it just seems that way.

I hope that I explained that correctly.

193 posted on 02/13/2007 5:28:10 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

This is a great thread.


194 posted on 02/13/2007 5:29:40 PM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney? Sounds like a winner to me.....)
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To: Sam Hill

You're not allowing for the growth of the upper jaw in relation to the lower one and apparent loss or change in tooth alignment.

I say that because the alignment of the mole on the left cheek in relation to the eye above indicates about enough degree variance in horizontal and vertical relationships to make the ear in the young Dag appear lower than it is in the latter.

In the Dag of the older Abe, the mole alignment is almost directly underneath the iris of the eye. In the younger Abe, the mole has about a ten degree tilt to the right which would result in making the ear appear lower along your alignment markings.


195 posted on 02/13/2007 5:30:26 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: OldPossum
"No, that's not true. I posed this question to a plastic surgeon, who told me that with age, one's facial skin fatty deposits usually retract.."

Yeah, and migrate to the stomach (men) or the a** (women)....

196 posted on 02/13/2007 5:30:35 PM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney? Sounds like a winner to me.....)
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To: azhenfud
"You're not allowing for the growth of the upper jaw in relation to the lower one"

Your jaw keeps growing after 30!!!???

Does the Nobel Committee know about this new learning, Sir Bedemere?

197 posted on 02/13/2007 5:31:55 PM PST by Al Simmons (Rudy/Romney? Sounds like a winner to me.....)
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To: Al Simmons

See #195.

I don't do drugs.


198 posted on 02/13/2007 5:33:51 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: william clark
Granted, I'm no expert, but I don't buy it. Too many differences in things like the line of the nose, the upper lip, angle of the ears, distance between jawbone and ear, etc.

I agree.

The photo at post #24 does look like him, though.

199 posted on 02/13/2007 5:36:10 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: mass55th

Good Catch. The owner has been trying to hawk that picture off on some rube for years. I guess he got tired of American Ebay. At one time there was another photo posted on Ebay, with a megabuck buy in now price, allegedly of Young Lincoln and Mary Todd. If any credible institution or Lincoln scholar believed this photo is real, they would have purchased it by now.


200 posted on 02/13/2007 5:38:23 PM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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