Evangelical leader sizes up GOP field, says Giuliani’s campaign is doomed

The Hill ^ | 16 February 2007 | Sam Youngman

[zook]

I don't have a farm, but I would bet. Don't you find it odd that he won't support Rudy, but he likes Joe Lieberman?

[Afronaut]

"We're all going to hear a lot of bluster from the far right griping about mainstream GOP candidates"

Do you have a problem with that? Do you have a problem with the "Far Right" ?

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

Conservatives of conscience aren't about to run out and support someone who doesn't respect the right to life of the unborn by supporting abortion on demand and partial birth abortion, along with amnesty for illegals, gay rights, big govt, topped off by being a gungrabber.

Well, I am a conservative with a conscience and I can tell you that if Rudy ends up as our nominee, I am going to vote for him. Anything to prevent Hillary from ever trashing the WH again.

I'm not about to throw away my vote on a candidate with no chance and thereby helping a RAT which is more vile and dangerous than Rudy. Not gonna happen.

[zook]

You got that right. Political tunnelvision is an awful thing.

[Spiff]

You're hysterical regarding these other issues. Abortion and gun rights will not change barely a lick under any current GOP candidate. They will, however, change dramatically under any Dem candidate.

Run a pro-abortion or anti-2nd amendment Republican nominee and the voting map WILL change more than a lick and you'll see a Democrat win.

[TommyDale]

Think about this: The Evangelical Christians rallied behind Ronald Reagan, George Bush and GWB. They even went out and registered millions of new GOP voters in churches for GWB, and he squeaked by in two elections. Now the GOP slaps these same Evangelicals in the face with a liberal Rudy Giuliani and we are expected to automatically support him. It doesn't work that way!

Like you said, how do they think their Christian-bashing strategy is going to work out in the long run?

[doc30]

You may not like it, but that's reality. If Giuliani is the nominee, social conservatives won't vote for him and he will lose the general election. So, if you're extremely worried that Clinton could be our next President, you better get busy promoting a more acceptable GOP candidate and hoping that Giuliani gets knocked down far enough to give your candidate a shot. That is what is at stake here and that's what you have to do if you don't want a Democrat to win in 2008.

A socially conservative candidate will attract the religious right, but it will alienate mainstream and moderate voters. Abortion and gay marriage are non-starters with most voters, especially when there are IMHO big issues that can be dealth with successfully.

[zook]

I'll only have a problem if they continue this kind of crap during the general campaign. If that starts, paint a big "D" on their foreheads.

[WKB]

with a foreword written by Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn).


I thought Joe was and "(I-Conn)" now

[redgolum]

There view is "where are they going to go?" So it is ok to slam and bash Christian voters, because then you can REALLY bash them when you lose.

[dmw]

Please add me to your "stop Rudy" ping. Thanks!

[Bratch]

What's best? A President who publicly opposes abortion but is unable to get strict constuctionalist judges through
Congress or a President who publicly supports abortion but appoints judges to the bench that will uphold the words of the Constitution as the Founders originally intended?

[doc30]

Thereby guaranteeing a victory for the dems at all levels.

Which is 100% on the Stupid Party.

That's the problem with hard-core social conservatives, typically from the Christian right. They don't understand that politics is the art of what is possible and requires some form of compomise. I could never support a Christian conservative for POTUS because I do not want to live under someone else's theocratic based standards. I prefer liberty and the concept of the separation of church and state as expressed in the constitution.

[JCEccles]

Ideologues are never ever happy and are always disconnected from the big picture

Very true. Giuliani supporters demonstrate by their devotion to bizarre liberal social causes (pro-gay agenda, indifference to traditional marriage, pro-abortion, pro-hate crime legislation, distrust of gun ownership, sympathy for envirowhackadoodle earth warming theories) that they tragically disconnected from reality and the big picture.

Rudy's their savior and any criticism of him for his extreme left views makes them howl in rage, just as they are doing on this thread.

[demkicker]

Duncan Hunter bump...

[dmw]

Well then, write us off and see how that works out for you. If you think Rudy is going to win without our votes you are living in fantasy land.

[TommyDale]

"A socially conservative candidate will attract the religious right, but it will alienate mainstream and moderate voters."

You mean like Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and G.W. Bush did?

[Reagan Man]

All Americans have a duty to vote. Not stay home.

The decision is yours.

Hillary or Rudy. Two liberals. Two lefties. Same values, same beliefs. No thanks.

Like I'm tagged.... conservatives don't vote for liberals.

[JCEccles]

prefer liberty and the concept of the separation of church and state as expressed in the constitution.

This statement alone demonstrates profound ignorance of the First Amendment,

Yes, indeed. Giuliani social liberal ideologues are disconnected from reality and the big picture.