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The Kyoto horror show (Canada: Liberal's 2 point plan: kill jobs, wreck economy)
Toronto Sun - Canada ^ | Sunday, February 18, 2007 | Lorrie Goldstein

Posted on 2/18/2007, 8:25:33 PM by GMMAC

The Kyoto horror show
While the world's biggest greenhouse gas emitters take a pass, Canada gets clobbered

By LORRIE GOLDSTEIN

Toronto Sun
Sunday, February 18, 2007


Here's my list of the "top 10" problems with the Kyoto accord on global warming. Feel free to add your own.

1) The United States, the world's biggest man-made greenhouse gas emitter -- 20.6% of all global emissions as of 2000 -- refuses to participate, arguing it would irreparably damage its economy and makes no demands on the developing world.

2) China, the world's second-biggest emitter (14.8%), is exempt from reducing greenhouse gases because it's a developing country.

3) The 27-member European Union, collectively the world's third-biggest emitter (14%), undeservedly benefits from the economic collapse of East Germany following the meltdown of the Soviet Union in 1989, not because of anything East Germany ever did to reduce greenhouse gases.

4) Similarly, Russia -- the world's fourth-biggest emitter (5.7%) -- undeservedly benefits from having huge "emission credits" to sell to other countries, not because of anything it did to reduce greenhouse gases, but because its economy also collapsed around 1990 (Kyoto's base year) after the fall of the Soviet Union.

5) India, the world's fifth-biggest emitter (5.5%), is exempt because it's also a developing country.

6) Australia, the world's biggest per-capita emitter of carbon dioxide due to its heavy reliance on coal, refuses to participate in Kyoto. Even if it did, it would be allowed to increase its emissions by 8%.

This as opposed to Canada, a big, cold, sparsely populated, northern country -- necessitating the burning of more fossil fuels -- which must reduce its emissions under Kyoto by 6% compared to 1990, by 2012.

COAL FIRED PLANTS

7) Almost 850 coal-fired energy plants planned by China (562), India (213) and the U.S. (72) over the next few years -- none covered by Kyoto -- will pump an estimated five times more carbon dioxide into the air than Kyoto removes, even if every other country hits its 2012 emission targets, which they won't.

8) Canada, which produces 2.1% of global greenhouse gas emissions making us the world's ninth-biggest emitter, is 35% behind our 2012 Kyoto target due to years of inaction by the previous Liberal government -- which locked us into the treaty -- followed by a year of inaction by the Tories.

But even if we were to hit our target, which would mean savaging our economy and spending billions buying "hot air" from places like Russia, it would have no significant impact on global emissions, for the reasons cited above.

9) Kyoto is mainly about transferring wealth from the first world to the third through the purchase of "emission credits" and the like, not reducing greenhouse gases.

10) Kyoto's unenforceable.

Finally, do Canadians support Kyoto? Our national media seem to think so, based largely on a recent Globe/Strategic Counsel poll, which asked people whether we should "try" to achieve our Kyoto targets. That received a 63% to 30% favourable response. But surely, Canadians believe we should "try" to do many things. Whether we're willing to make unfair sacrifices in a doomed effort, is the real question.

Interestingly, when The Strategic Counsel asked the same people if they supported charging "significantly higher prices" for gasoline and heating their homes -- a far more relevant question -- the vote was 64% to 34% against.

A CanWest/Innovative Research poll which was in the field at almost the same time as The Strategic Counsel, found about seven in 10 respondents agreed with the statement: "I don't care whether the new federal government implements Kyoto or not, so long as they take real action to make our environment better." Hmmm.

The serious issue here is whether Canada's three opposition parties are crazy enough to force an election on implementing this worthless, unfair treaty.

If I was Prime Minister Stephen Harper, I'd be saying to Liberal leader Stephane Dion and the rest of them: "Go ahead, make my day."

Then I'd campaign on a "made-in-Canada" policy setting hard caps for reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the energy and transportation sectors, while taking a chunk of the money we now spend subsidizing big energy companies and auto giants and using it to help people retrofit their homes.

Finally, I'd tell voters what's really in the Kyoto accord.

Diabolical, I know.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dion; environonsense; globalwarming; harper
... for more on the Liberals' & their leader Stephane Dion's brain dead enviro-nonsense,
merely search FR using 'Dion' and/or 'Kyoto' by recent post time.

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1 posted on 2/18/2007, 8:25:37 PM by GMMAC
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

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2 posted on 2/18/2007, 8:27:08 PM by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

Wherever democrats go, they kill jobs, hurt the economy, raise taxes and crime skyrockets.


3 posted on 2/18/2007, 8:29:36 PM by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: GMMAC
The amount of CO2 emitted by mount Pinatubo in 1991 is orders of magnitudes more than ALL the CO2 released into the atmosphere by man. Period!

How many volcanic eruptions have there been over the centuries?

Come on guys, use your brain for a change...
4 posted on 2/18/2007, 8:36:11 PM by SomeoneNeedsToSayIt (Socialism: If we ALL can’t be wealthy… we ALL will be poor…)
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To: GMMAC

The biggest problems with Kyoto are:
1. It will cost trillions of dollars that could be better used to improve disease eradication, clean water, basic nutrition and jobs creation in impoverished parts of the world
2. It MIGHT reduce temperatures 100 years from now by 0.1 centigrade degree.

Any sane cost/benefit analysis tells you this is the worst imaginable use of limited resources.


5 posted on 2/18/2007, 8:36:46 PM by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: GMMAC
"using it to help people retrofit their homes."

That this appears in an otherwise excellent article is a good indicator of the difficulties we'll have reducing CO2 emissions.

Canadian governments have been subsidizing home retrofits for decades. Most of the easy, cost-effective (and many difficult, costly) changes have already been made. In addition, building codes have changed, and the market demands high energy efficiency. There are still a lot of things that could be done -- but, the energy savings won't be nearly as dramatic as most people think. Kyoto would hurt us more than we want to believe.
6 posted on 2/18/2007, 8:44:47 PM by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Take the term global warming out, and this whole thing is just legislation to further stuck us as spoon fed couch potatoes who should know no better and to be demoralized for the foreseable future.

There is nothing wrong with pumping CO2 in the air and heat as it actualy activates global circulation, just like jogging heats up a runner for a healthy and well circulated body. This in fact would aid, in a sort of sling shot and sweat like effect, cool the planet. Yes, it might cause some accute irregularities, but clean heating of the planet is good for it. Cut off the heat suddenly and it will indeed sling shoot and freeze to near death and sickness.

We have in power wizard and apprentice sorcerers who know jack crap about what they do and their evil hearts will reflect the evil result and they will all perish just as quickly as the rest of us would, because they do not have the dynamics in mind. The recent slow down in population growth presage a catastrophic depopulation and misery already... but hey, a stupid "private freeper" need not the attention according to these mainstream fools.

It's an image of the whole "security" "zero-tolerance" "soccer mum" right-left liberal alliance mantra of over domestication of the American citizen. It's fine for the nuts in Arabia, but not here, we're not backwards and we need not be treated into equalitarian lowest animal "human" denominator backwardness so that some pompous idiotic lawyer can call himself scientist to a bunch of happless people who now are dumned down, have no clue, and bow over their Devil "information welfare" TV lazily and all to complacent and complicit with the set up, tempted thereof by the evil false prophets running the corridors of accademia, politics and court rooms.

Global Warmin is not going to kill us, it's them who are killing us as we are speaking here. Period.


7 posted on 2/18/2007, 8:55:37 PM by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: SomeoneNeedsToSayIt
"The amount of CO2 emitted by mount Pinatubo in 1991..."

.... and Mount Pinatubo was a relative mere environmental pop-gun compared to:



Krakatoa background

8 posted on 2/18/2007, 9:00:42 PM by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
I'd tell voters what's really in the Kyoto accord.

That's all Harper has to do.

Make people want to be "in the know", on the edge as it were, of this developing science.

Heh.

9 posted on 2/18/2007, 9:25:02 PM by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: GMMAC
One scientist said recently that he didn't know which was more egocentric; 1) to think man caused global warming or 2) to think we could do anything to prevent it.

He also pointed out how--overall--warming would be a great benefit.

10 posted on 2/18/2007, 9:32:45 PM by chiller (Old Media is not yet dead. Turn them off and they will die. For the sake of sanity.)
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To: GMMAC
.... and Mount Pinatubo was a relative mere environmental pop-gun compared to:

I'm afraid this has to do with public schools and folks inability to do simple math!

11 posted on 2/18/2007, 9:33:22 PM by SomeoneNeedsToSayIt (Socialism: If we ALL can’t be wealthy… we ALL will be poor…)
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To: tkathy

We always hear about the US generating 20-25%, but what percent of the worlds economy do we generate with that. Also anyone know the facts about the amount of energy we use to produce x units of production versus others? Sure are a lot of facts missing in that simplistic accusation on the US.

There must be a source of some statistics...anyone know of one.


12 posted on 2/18/2007, 10:53:25 PM by Claytonbridge
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To: GMMAC
Even more fearsome were the effects of Tambora
13 posted on 2/19/2007, 12:42:44 AM by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: GMMAC
Almost 850 coal-fired energy plants planned by China (562), India (213) and the U.S. (72) over the next few years

This is why it's useless to engage the Left in any honest discussion or debate.

11) A new Chinese or Indian coal-fired plant is related to a new American coal-fired plant in much the same way that a mountain lion and a house cat are both cats.

You wouldn't want one of the two sleeping on your bed when you got home.

14 posted on 2/19/2007, 1:18:29 AM by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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To: GMMAC

But Canadians ARE meant to feel guilty about their great lifestyle and David Suzuki will tie their stomach into knots in hours because.... YOU CAN"T QUESTION DAVID SUZKI... for he is THE ENVIROMENTAL CONSCIENCE OF CANADA. Come on, his work with fruit flies says it all.


15 posted on 2/19/2007, 7:03:50 PM by Blind Eye Jones
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