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Beach Hunt For Lost Jacobite Gold
BBC ^ | 2-19-2007

Posted on 02/19/2007 10:35:53 AM PST by blam

Beach hunt for lost Jacobite gold

The gold was intended for Bonnie Prince Charlie

Archaeologists hope to find missing French gold sent to Scotland to help fund a Jacobite Rebellion buried under a remote Highland beach. A portion of the money was believed to have been hidden at Arisaig, near Mallaig, in the 1700s.

Neil Oliver is leading the hunt for the gold for a new BBC Two series called History Detectives.

The money did not arrive in Scotland until after the Jacobites' defeat at the Battle of Culloden in April 1746.

It was intended to finance Charles Edward Stuart - Bonnie Prince Charlie - and his efforts against the British monarch, George II, and put his father James Stuart on the throne.

Mr Oliver, an archaeologist and co-presenter of TV programmes Two Men in a Trench and Coast, said the original complete sum of money sent from France may be worth £5m today.

What happened to the gold remains a mystery, however, a share of it could have been buried at Arisaig.

People have been fantasying about the gold since April 1746

Archaeologist Neil Oliver

Mr Oliver said the clues to its possible location were contained in a letter believed to have been written in October 1746.

He said: "It appears to be a death bed confession from a Jacobite who took some of the money and hid it.

"Apparently he was so tortured from having taken some of the money.

"He says in his letter that he didn't know what it was when he took it then when he found out that it belonged to his rightful prince he made his confession to make sure it got back its rightful owner."

Mr Oliver conceded the letter may be a fake, but forensic tests on the ink and paper will confirm its age.

He added: "People have been fantasying about the gold since April 1746."

History Detectives is to be screened later this year on BBC Two.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beach; bonnieprincecharles; godsgravesglyphs; gold; jacobite

1 posted on 02/19/2007 10:35:55 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Treasure hunts are usually interesting.


2 posted on 02/19/2007 10:37:15 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: blam

"...the current Stuart Pretender is Franz II, Duke of
Bavaria; according to Wikipedia.....

But he's probably not interested. The Scots will have to revolt on their own. I wonder who the current socialist pretender is?


3 posted on 02/19/2007 10:39:39 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: eyespysomething

ping


4 posted on 02/19/2007 10:39:43 AM PST by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: blam

My sister lives on the North Carolina coast and she tells me folks are still down there looking for Blackbeard's treasure.


5 posted on 02/19/2007 10:40:14 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: kinoxi

what do you know about Oak Island? (my son recently did a report on it for school)


6 posted on 02/19/2007 10:49:36 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: blam
Oak Island????

There was a site in Ocean County New Jersey where I found a tree on a hilltop with a chain and blcok and tackle hanging from a branch. Always wondered if this was a site for Blackbeard's treasure since it was only a couple hundred yards from the beach on Barnegate Bay!

7 posted on 02/19/2007 10:49:53 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: blam

"Fantasy" is the right word for it. If gold had been shipped to Bonnie Prince Charlie, lots of people would have known about it and its whereabouts. The Jacobites were in need of ready money in order to escape to France, and wouldn't have neglected such an obvious source of funds.


8 posted on 02/19/2007 10:56:04 AM PST by CivilWarguy (CivilWarGuy)
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To: blam

Keep Geraldo away or the treasure will never be found.


9 posted on 02/19/2007 10:58:24 AM PST by exit82 (Defend our defenders--get off the fence.)
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To: gusopol3

As far as Oak Island is concerned, they are in the oil/gas business now.


10 posted on 02/19/2007 11:00:06 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: gusopol3

I likely know as much gossip as you do. I still find it interesting though. :)


11 posted on 02/19/2007 11:02:21 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: blam

Does this mean that England claims the money if found?


12 posted on 02/19/2007 11:03:56 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: blam
to help fund a Jacobite Rebellion buried under a remote Highland beach.

That is an interesting place for a Jacobite Rebellion to be. :)
13 posted on 02/19/2007 11:09:26 AM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: RightWhale; kinoxi

well, we "got the book" (actually two) and the "money pit" is an amazing thing with a depth of 140 + feet, flooding tunnels, etc. The more fanciful theory (although you have to go some to be more fanciful than Captain Kidd) is that the Scottish Sinclairs were the protectors of the Templar treasure, pre-Columbian voyages to Nova Scotia , etc., etc. The principal at school suggested Oak Island as the site for the next class trip.


14 posted on 02/19/2007 11:11:55 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: blam
Just a quick historical postscript to the Battle of Culloden and the Scottish Jacobites.

At that bloody, bloody battle (at which the Brits vanquished the Highlanders) a young Scots physician named Hugh Mercer marched with the Highlanders.

After the Brits won, they went house to house looking for survivors of the battle--they were enraged at the Scots. Hugh Mercer was being sought by them, and managed to escape to America.

Mercer went to the western PA frontier where he became an Indian fighter and helped protect the Germans who lived there (they were mostly pacifists). During the French and Indian War Mercer met up with George Washington, Daniel Morgan and others on the Monongahela that would play important roles in the RevWar.

Eventually Mercer left the Quaker State (too many pacifists for him) and settled in Fredericksberg, VA. He was one of General Washington's favorites, and died a hero's death at the Battle of Princeton. All the Mercer Counties are named for him and Gen. George Patton was a direct descendant of his.

15 posted on 02/19/2007 11:12:45 AM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: gusopol3

The shaft is empty. The fortune is well invested elsewhere in legit business.


16 posted on 02/19/2007 11:19:37 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: blam

There is another case of missing treasure in England that has always fascinated me. All the original crown jewels of England were lost during the reign of King John in 1216, supposedly when his baggage train took a shortcut across The Wash on the east cost of England and were surprised by the incoming tide. The area where this happened is now inland.


17 posted on 02/19/2007 11:47:53 AM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded

I remember hearing that story. Has no one ever found any of the treasure ?


18 posted on 02/19/2007 12:21:35 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: RightWhale

methinks ye an investor trying to shy off the competition


19 posted on 02/19/2007 12:29:04 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: blam
It was intended to finance Charles Edward Stuart - Bonnie Prince Charlie - and his efforts against the British monarch, George II, and put his father James Stuart on the throne.

Instead, Britain had to import a weird German family and make up an English-sounding name for them: "Windsor".

Depending on which theories you believe, they may, or may not, be reptiles....

20 posted on 02/19/2007 12:29:59 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: cinives
Has no one ever found any of the treasure ?

You can read about it here and here.

I have never heard of any of the treasure being found other than the speculation that it was either not really lost or found very soon afterward. Since this happened almost 800 years ago I would assume that there are some details which are lost to history. I was surprised at the comparatively small amount of info about this that seems to come up upon googling.

BTW King John died one week after this incident.

21 posted on 02/19/2007 1:27:00 PM PST by wideminded
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To: blam

One would have better chances of getting rich by claiming to be the parent of Anna Nichol Smith's child.


22 posted on 02/19/2007 1:30:29 PM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: blam

They need Geraldo to host the opening.


23 posted on 02/19/2007 1:31:42 PM PST by wildbill
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To: wideminded

I read about it originally in one of Sharon Kay Pennman's novels a few years back. Since she seems to be a fairly good researcher, and since her story had it lost for the rest of the novel's time frame, I just assumed it was never found until at least much later.


24 posted on 02/19/2007 1:32:30 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: gusopol3

It's a publicly traded company doing business in Alaska with a so-so reputation at the moment.


25 posted on 02/19/2007 1:34:54 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: blam

"Beach Hunt for Lost Jacobite Gold"
----great name for a rock band. Successor to Queen?


26 posted on 02/19/2007 1:38:21 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: blam

Anything buried on a beach 300 years ago is most likely going to be a mile offshore now, especially if it is an area of sandy beach and there are significant winter storms.


27 posted on 02/19/2007 1:39:36 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: cinives

Is that the one where John's daughter married the King of Wales?? Great writer, wish she would write more books.


28 posted on 02/19/2007 1:44:10 PM PST by strongbow
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To: strongbow

Yes. I love and have read every one of her books. My favorite was the one you mentioned, "Here Be Dragons".


29 posted on 02/19/2007 1:55:03 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives
I read about it originally in one of Sharon Kay Pennman's novels a few years back. Since she seems to be a fairly good researcher, and since her story had it lost for the rest of the novel's time frame, I just assumed it was never found until at least much later.

Ah, "Here Be Dragons." My second favorite SKP book, the first being "The Sunne in Splendour."

The Jacobite gold was addressed by Diana Gabaldon in her "Outlander" series.

A well researched historical novel is a wonderful thing.

Maven
30 posted on 02/19/2007 3:27:13 PM PST by Maven (Doesn't everybody have a portrait of Richard III hanging in their living rooms?)
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To: blam
Sure, now ya tell me. ;')

Thanks Blam.
 
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31 posted on 02/19/2007 7:45:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Maven

It sure it - it's my favorite genre.

For some really challenging, intellectual reading try Dorothy Dunnett's series The Lymond Chronicles, starting with "The Game of Kings". They are absolutely the most erudite and intellectually stimulating books I've ever read.


32 posted on 02/20/2007 5:31:37 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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