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Why America Closed Its Doors to Anne Frank
Arutz Sheva ^ | 2-20-07 | Dr. Rafael Medoff

Posted on 02/20/2007 5:43:48 AM PST by SJackson

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To: Alter Kaker

*****And what could he have done? For better or worse, the US government decided that the best way to help the Jews was to win the war as quickly as possible. I think they were right on that point. The only suggestion offered was bombing the rail lines, but that would have been an ineffective and counter-productive solution for a number of reasons that I'm sure we'll get into.****

How would that have been counter productive?

As I see it bombing the rail lines would have slowed up the transport of thousands to the death camps.


61 posted on 02/20/2007 7:42:01 AM PST by Basheva
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To: SJackson
That is a question that must be answered by the Progressive Marxist Democratic Left.
62 posted on 02/20/2007 7:44:15 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Alter Kaker
They have heard from friends that certain areas in Europe do not welcome Jews. It is not necissarily because they are afraid of attack, they simply do not want thier money supporting places that tolerate anti-Semitism. Is what they have heard true, or are they getting wrong information?
63 posted on 02/20/2007 7:45:31 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Obie Wan
Story's like the Frank's and another about a cruise liner filled with Jews that I believe got to our shores and was turned away

That was the St. Louis. After the US turned the ship away, it cruised down the coast of the Americas looking for a safe port, and was turned away time and again. In the end, it sailed back to Europe and delivered its human cargo back into Hitler's hands.

64 posted on 02/20/2007 7:46:24 AM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Alter Kaker
I think you have to look at the outcomes.

Wouldn't have been substantially different, though a large number could have been saved. Palestine could have been far more important that 70,000 or so unused immigration slots to the US.

65 posted on 02/20/2007 7:49:43 AM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle, its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: mtntop3
This discussion of refugees, ship voyages, and deaths as that of Anne Frank would perhaps never exist if the Democracies had moved strongly against Hitler and Mussolini and Imperial Japan in the 1930's instead of permitting them to achieve formidable status....As a consequence, 50 to 60 million persons were killed in WWII (that military/civilian number is correct) including 400,000 U. S. service men and women, and five to six million European Jews.

A much more important consideration than 70,000 immigration slots or a few hundred thousands who might have made it to Palestine.

66 posted on 02/20/2007 7:50:57 AM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle, its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: Basheva
How would that have been counter productive? As I see it bombing the rail lines would have slowed up the transport of thousands to the death camps.

There are many problems with this.

1. The US Army Air Force told the Administration that bombing the rail lines was impossible. Although today we know that bombers actually flew over Auschwitz on their way to other targets, this was not known at the time.

2. By the time bombing Auschwitz was feasible, most of the Jews were already dead.

3. Given the imprecise nature of WWII bombers, any bombing raid would necessarily kill a large number of Jews. There is no reason to believe that the small delay caused by damaging rail lines (easily replaced in a few hours to a few days) would have saved more Jews than the raids themselves would have killed.

4. Members of the American Jewish community advised the Administration not to attack Auschwitz, because it would been a propoganda victory for the Germans -- if the Americans were bombing Jews, the Nazis could have claimed that the Americans didn't care about Jews either. Whether or not this is plausible, it was believed at the time.

5. Most importantly, the decision was made that the most effective means of saving the Jews was to defeat the Germans as quickly as possible. Diverting resources to bombing Auschwitz likely would have had little effect, and it would have meant fewer resources would have been available for bombing military targets. Prolonging the war by even a day would have meant more dead Jews.

67 posted on 02/20/2007 7:52:08 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Hard headed brainwashed trained monkey)
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To: Alter Kaker

The ship was turned away from the U.S. with the knowledge that the passengers would probably be forced to return to Germany. Only after it got back to Europe were the refugees distributed about evenly among France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and the U.K. Those in the first three countries largely died in the Holocaust but as you said, that wasn't predictable.

The U.S. didn't turn over the refugees to France, it simply washed its hands of them without concern for what would happen.


68 posted on 02/20/2007 7:53:57 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Alter Kaker
Perhaps, but it was not really possible for the US to do so. A much better question is why Britain and France didn't move more aggressively against Hitler in the 1930s.

Many American's felt that way. The desire for isolation aside, in several speeches Lindburgh indicated his belief that America hadn't the capacity to defeat the Reich. A two front war wasn't contemplated. Needless to say the 1940s proved him wrong.

69 posted on 02/20/2007 7:54:14 AM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle, its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: Alter Kaker
And what could he have done? For better or worse, the US government decided that the best way to help the Jews was to win the war as quickly as possible. I think they were right on that point. The only suggestion offered was bombing the rail lines, but that would have been an ineffective and counter-productive solution for a number of reasons that I'm sure we'll get into.

There is one thing he did do. In August 1944, a group of just under 1000 refugees, mostly Jewish, were allowed to enter the U.S. as "guests of FDR." They were housed in a refugee camp in Oswego, NY on the grounds of old Fort Ontario.

I grew up in Oswego (as a college brat -- I'm not related to the Safe Haven refugees). My understanding is that FDR only did this under a lot of pressure from Eleanor. And that there were other refugees he could have done this for, but was hesitant, because of politics.

Oswego Safe Haven website

70 posted on 02/20/2007 7:54:47 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: ReignOfError
In the end, it sailed back to Europe and delivered its human cargo back into Hitler's hands.

Absolutely, categorically, false. Read the above posts for clarification. The passengers onboard the St. Louis went to Cuba, France, Belgium and the Netherlands. Those countries welcomed the Jews with open arms. That France -- a country with a modern army of 1.5 million -- was conquered, was entirely unforseeable. This is silly revisionist nonsense that has somehow become mainstream thought.

71 posted on 02/20/2007 7:56:24 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Hard headed brainwashed trained monkey)
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To: TomSmedley
by the end of WWII, 80% of France's Jews were dead.

Most of France's foreign-born Jews were deported and killed. They were refugees from the Nazis but also immigrants from Poland, Romania, and the Soviet Union, as in the U.S. Most of France's native-born Jews were not deported or killed, a truly remarkable achievement in a country under total Nazi occupation from 1942 onward. It's not because the French loved the Jews so much as the Germans did not make the Final Solution in France a priority as they did in Poland, the Netherlands, and other countries.

The French made a distinction between their native Jews and those from other countries and their children. This still amounted to a death sentence for the latter and possible death for the former, but it's more than the Germans did.

Italian Jews were saved because Mussolini did not deport them. After the German occupation of northern Italy in 1943, many were killed and the rest had to hide or flee for their survival. The Jewish population in Italy was tiny, which helped.
72 posted on 02/20/2007 7:57:20 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Red6
This article has the benefit of 20-20 hindsight.

That being said, anti-Antisemitism was strong in the US also.

73 posted on 02/20/2007 7:59:26 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Heaven is home...I am just TDY here!)
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To: SJackson

It's America's fault - plain as day. Don't know why I didn't see it before.


74 posted on 02/20/2007 7:59:50 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: SJackson

Those democrats haven't changed one bit!


75 posted on 02/20/2007 8:00:08 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
In August 1944, a group of just under 1000 refugees, mostly Jewish, were allowed to enter the U.S. as "guests of FDR." They were housed in a refugee camp in Oswego, NY on the grounds of old Fort Ontario.

And where were those Jews from?

Not Germany. Not Poland. Not Hungary or France. They were Jews who had been living in Spain and allied-occupied portions of Southern Italy, where there was no Holocaust, and where their chances of being exterminated were effectively nil. It was easy to save Jews who did not need saving.

Saving those who did need saving was a bit tougher...

76 posted on 02/20/2007 8:00:13 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Hard headed brainwashed trained monkey)
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To: HostileTerritory
Italian Jews were saved because Mussolini did not deport them. After the German occupation of northern Italy in 1943, many were killed and the rest had to hide or flee for their survival. The Jewish population in Italy was tiny, which helped.

So did the fact that Mussolini had a Jewish mistress, Margherita Sarfatti, who was a major influence in his life.

77 posted on 02/20/2007 8:01:01 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Alter Kaker

Am not blaming the Allies for the murderous sins of the enemies.

But where there is not active resistance to evil or even not enough resistance, then evil will prevail until it is destroyed.

The PERCEPTION was that America would not actively aid England or France nor the invaded and raped countries in Asia and the South Pacific.

If not for Pearl Harbor, the perception would have been substantiated much longer - maybe to the point where the Axis powers could not have been stopped.

As it was, they got damn close to that point. More than almost all persons realize.

The Allies' victory in WWII was by no means assured; and the true cost remains really beyond conception.


78 posted on 02/20/2007 8:03:24 AM PST by mtntop3 (u)
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To: Redleg Duke
That being said, anti-Antisemitism was strong in the US also.

For the most part, that's false too. A 1938 Gallup poll asked Americans, "Do you approve or disapprove of the Nazi treatment of Jews in Germany?" 6% approved, 94% disapproved.

79 posted on 02/20/2007 8:04:22 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Hard headed brainwashed trained monkey)
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To: Redleg Duke

I'll add that the November 1938 poll was conducted after Kristallnacht, during a period when Jews were harassed and expelled from schools and workplaces, but long before Jews were systematically interned or exterminated.


80 posted on 02/20/2007 8:07:47 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Hard headed brainwashed trained monkey)
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